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#1 zombiegleemax Feb 02, 2007 9:23:38	OK. Another question that I had a hard time remembering. Is there a list of wich races typical in other settings have been completely annihilated on Athas? I'm sure on Gnomes, Goblins, Kobolds, Pixies, Lizarfolk and Wemics. Did I miss any? If so, there's a list?
#2 Sysane Feb 02, 2007 9:29:06	Ogres, Trolls, and Orcs. Oh my ;)
#3 netherek Feb 02, 2007 11:42:08	I'd add Bullywugs, Centaur, Doppleganger?, Gnolls, Grimlocks, Hobgoblins, Kuo-Toa, Lycanthrope?, Troglodyte?... None of these have an appearance on the optional Monstrous Compendium list, nor have an appearance in any printed material that I'm aware of. The Lizardfolk are on Athas, though modified and renamed but pretty much the same, Ssuran. About as modified as a Dwarf/Elf.
#4 Sysane Feb 02, 2007 12:00:25	Technically, trolls and lizardfolk/lizardmen aren't quite extinct. There's a tribe of lizardmen thriving at the Last Sea and there's the patchwork troll lurking at the bottom of the Troll Grave Chasm.
#5 brun01 Feb 02, 2007 12:26:53	I'd add Bullywugs, Centaur, Doppleganger?, Gnolls, Grimlocks, Hobgoblins, Kuo-Toa, Lycanthrope?, Troglodyte?... Some of those might never have existed on Athas at all...
#6 netherek Feb 02, 2007 14:14:50	That's the beauty of DS, you just don't know. The past is a faded memory, the only ones who would know aren't talking. That's just how I like it.
#7 zombiegleemax Feb 02, 2007 19:06:24	I get it... some of those last races you comment are not exactly gone or "never been there" they just may be another secret of the desert and beyod. Cool.
#8 ruhl-than_sage Feb 03, 2007 17:03:54	Don't forget Flumphs. They were eliminated by the "Honorary Champion", Mickey the Flumph Icer. Though Mickey was unable to cast any spells (due to a severe mental handicap), he preformed his task (which was assigned to him by Rajaat as a joke) with admirable speed and proficiency. Rajaat was so impressed by the hadicapable young man that he made him an "Honorary Champion", unfortunately he was killed soon after trying to assist Dregoth in his extermination of the giants. ... poor little guy.
#9 zombiegleemax Feb 05, 2007 8:33:26	Remember, the Pristine Tower is constantly spewing out new races via its mutagenic magic. New races're constantly appearing in the deep desert, monster and non-monster alike. So, really, as long as it isn't aquatic or cold-based, it could realistically appear on Athas, near the Tablelands. --I've even introduced a few Spelljammer races that way NB
#10 alchemyprime Feb 14, 2007 21:50:24	Huh... I wouldn't know much about it, but who was Mickey? Also, what about elven sub-races? I figure only normal elves exist. Planetouched aren't there. Nowhere to be found. Same with aquatic races, for obvious reasons.
#11 zombiegleemax Feb 14, 2007 23:21:34	What about Spelltouched creatures. withthe wya magic warpseverything I could see some of then ew races like illumians fittingin just right with the setting
#12 zombiegleemax Feb 14, 2007 23:41:34	I wouldn't know much about it, but who was Mickey? You know Mickey. He's the guy what went and offed Binkey "The Boneclaw" Belgoi in the sixth book of the Prism Pentad. ;) Also, what about elven sub-races? I figure only normal elves exist. Compared to the elves of other worlds Athasian elves are pretty abnormal. But as far as I know, though there are many tribes, there is only one actual sub-race of elves on Athas. Planetouched aren't there. Nowhere to be found. I wouldn't have thought so until just a minute ago when I stumbled across a reference to "Black Touched" in Terrors of Athas.
#13 redking Feb 15, 2007 0:21:14	Remember, the Pristine Tower is constantly spewing out new races via its mutagenic magic. New races're constantly appearing in the deep desert, monster and non-monster alike. So, really, as long as it isn't aquatic or cold-based, it could realistically appear on Athas, near the Tablelands. --I've even introduced a few Spelljammer races that way NB That is absolutely right. You can introduce any kind of race in Dark Sun because the Pristine Tower offers infinite diversity of species. Having characters meet or fight against small groups of unique monsters, or monsters not normally present on athas, is a good way to keep things fresh. I think in Dark Sun characters should see races that they have never seen before all the time - perhaps the only member of that race. By the way, the characteristics and powers of the Pristine Tower are not really dealt with outside outside of the Prism Pentad books, are they?
#14 brun01 Feb 15, 2007 5:56:59	Check out Dregoth Ascending part III, it has several rules for the Tower.
#15 ruhl-than_sage Feb 16, 2007 21:12:50	I guess no one remembers what Flumphs are.
#16 Sysane Feb 17, 2007 7:11:17	I guess no one remembers what Flumphs are. Aren't they flying jellyfish-like creatures from back in 1e?
#17 jon_oracle_of_athas Feb 17, 2007 16:39:30	I also believe flumphs were voted the most embarassing monster to be killed by some hundreds dragons back. :P
#18 alder_fiter_galaz Feb 28, 2007 19:04:18	So there´s possible also to develop an Rajaat champion who exterminates Bullywugs, Centaurs, Dopplegangers, Gnolls, Grimlocks, Hobgoblins, Kuo-Toas, Lycanthropes or Troglodytes? And to add any monster who is generated for the magic of the pristine tower?
#19 brun01 Mar 01, 2007 6:13:44	You could develop it for your campaigns, but there is no hint at canon they ever existed (except about centaurs) on Athas.
#20 ruhl-than_sage Mar 03, 2007 12:41:32	Lycanthropes in fact, were specifically not included in the setting, and I think that extends to the past as well.
#21 terminus_vortexa Mar 04, 2007 10:15:39	The Almighty Flumph
#22 netherek Mar 04, 2007 13:09:17	Lycanthropes in fact, were specifically not included in the setting, and I think that extends to the past as well. Most races were specifically not included so the Pentad could surprise us with the Cleansing Wars. With the Timeline as short as it is, it's tough to say how many potential Rebirth races there could've been, though with each one there would need to be a Champion... With Lycanthropes, based on fluff, I would guess were never present. There is no evidence they exist as is, and Cleansing them would be exceedingly difficult. At least in comparison to Giants and the other survivors...
#23 ruhl-than_sage Mar 04, 2007 23:07:22	The Almighty Flumph ................... I can't believe a Flumph frightened me! That's a lot scarier looking then any Flumph I've ever seen, must have the feral template or something.
#24 zombiegleemax Mar 14, 2007 9:58:19	It looks like an Angel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
#25 Mulhull Mar 15, 2007 22:24:12	Technically, trolls and lizardfolk/lizardmen aren't quite extinct. There's a tribe of lizardmen thriving at the Last Sea and there's the patchwork troll lurking at the bottom of the Troll Grave Chasm. Also, technically Gnomes and pixies aren't extinct, IF you count the undead ones in the dead lands.