i would think that a kaisharga should at least match a lich. and a banshee should be so strongly willed that it should get at least some kind of turn resistance.
or maybe there is a reason you decided against turn resistance.
thanks
I could understand if Druids could turn undead, as they have the whole enmity for all things unnatural (namely undead).
Clerics on the other hand are focused on one particular element, which is completely unrelated to undead.
And if memory still serves, undead are inexorably tied to the negative plane.
This may go without saying...;)
but please correct me if I'm wrong.
I don't see why DS Clerics would turn undead at all.
I could understand if Druids could turn undead, as they have the whole enmity for all things unnatural (namely undead).
Clerics on the other hand are focused on one particular element, which is completely unrelated to undead.
*Raster pokes his head out of his lurker hole, and failing to see his shadow, decides to risk posting again*
I was thinking about that just a couple of days ago, and came up with what I considered a reasonable explanation.
When a creature dies, its body decays and returns to the earth or becomes food for other creatures. Its soul goes to the Gray where it gradually dissolves and merges with the essence of the plane, unless it becomes undead. That much is stated in published Dark Sun books. So what if the elemental planes draw spiritual "nutrients" from the Gray, just as crops draw nutrients from fertilizer made from decaying organic materials? Incorporeal undead would be an annoyance to the elementals because they don't decay like they're supposed to, and corpreal ones would be worse because they actually siphon energy from the Grey in order to "live".
As written I don't think Athas even has positive and negative planes. Quasi elemental planes no longer exist in 3.5 cosmology.
Wow. Guess I'm outta the loop.
I'd better read up on some of the revisions. In the mean time, if athas has no pos/neg planes, where does negative energy which is/used to be necessary for undead to exist, come from?
i really like this!!!
where does negative energy which is/used to be necessary for undead to exist, come from?
i always thought it was the gray.
Wow. Guess I'm outta the loop.
I'd better read up on some of the revisions. In the mean time, if athas has no pos/neg planes, where does negative energy which is/used to be necessary for undead to exist, come from?
I'm working on Athasian cosmology- see my Players Guide to Athas thread. ATM there are pockets of positive/negative energy in the elemental planes.
Thats just my opinion though its not official.
When a creature dies, its body decays and returns to the earth or becomes food for other creatures. Its soul goes to the Gray where it gradually dissolves and merges with the essence of the plane, unless it becomes undead. That much is stated in published Dark Sun books. So what if the elemental planes draw spiritual "nutrients" from the Gray, just as crops draw nutrients from fertilizer made from decaying organic materials? Incorporeal undead would be an annoyance to the elementals because they don't decay like they're supposed to, and corpreal ones would be worse because they actually siphon energy from the Grey in order to "live".
Interesting idea... I'm not sure I'd use it, but it's an interesting parallel.
IMO, the Elemental Conduits and the Gray should be mutually exclusive.
Wow. Guess I'm outta the loop.
I'd better read up on some of the revisions. In the mean time, if athas has no pos/neg planes, where does negative energy which is/used to be necessary for undead to exist, come from?
Rexaroo's right, the Undead are powered by the Gray.
And put your phasers on stun...
Isn't necromantic magic of all kinds rooted in neg/pos planes? Healing in pos, harm in neg?
*dives behind the expendable redshirt*
DS has a different cosmology, so the normal rules don't always apply.
*Raster pokes his head out of his lurker hole, and failing to see his shadow, decides to risk posting again*
I was thinking about that just a couple of days ago, and came up with what I considered a reasonable explanation.
When a creature dies, its body decays and returns to the earth or becomes food for other creatures. Its soul goes to the Gray where it gradually dissolves and merges with the essence of the plane, unless it becomes undead. That much is stated in published Dark Sun books. So what if the elemental planes draw spiritual "nutrients" from the Gray, just as crops draw nutrients from fertilizer made from decaying organic materials? Incorporeal undead would be an annoyance to the elementals because they don't decay like they're supposed to, and corpreal ones would be worse because they actually siphon energy from the Grey in order to "live".
About two years ago, when myself and a few others were going to make an unofficial "Planes of Athas" project, we had a very similar set of ideas concerning the "planar ecology" of Athas' unique planar scheme! We also ran with the idea that the Grey contains both positive and negative energy (That's why it's GREY!) and that this is where all effects requiring those energies drew from. Our theory ran that souls of the dead went to the Grey, which powered the Elemental planes(at least in regard to pos/neg energy and the base energy for spells), which in turn fueled the elements upon Athas, continuing on in a neverending "ecological" cycle.
Interesting idea... I'm not sure I'd use it, but it's an interesting parallel.
IMO, the Elemental Conduits and the Gray should be mutually exclusive.
Wait, what? How do the Elemental Conduits have anything to do with my post? Not being critical here, just confused.
About two years ago, when myself and a few others were going to make an unofficial "Planes of Athas" project, we had a very similar set of ideas concerning the "planar ecology" of Athas' unique planar scheme! We also ran with the idea that the Grey contains both positive and negative energy (That's why it's GREY!) and that this is where all effects requiring those energies drew from. Our theory ran that souls of the dead went to the Grey, which powered the Elemental planes(at least in regard to pos/neg energy and the base energy for spells), which in turn fueled the elements upon Athas, continuing on in a neverending "ecological" cycle.
That's almost exactly what I was thinking. Guess there really are no new ideas under the (dark) sun :D
Wait, what? How do the Elemental Conduits have anything to do with my post? Not being critical here, just confused.
The Elemental Conduits are how Clerics get access to the Elemental Planes (which you were talking about), I just skipped a step. :P
So what if the elemental planes draw spiritual "nutrients" from the Gray, just as crops draw nutrients from fertilizer made from decaying organic materials?
This is what I was referring to.
I think the Gray has almost the opposite effect. It blocks Athas from direct contact with the elemental planes (or any others, for that matter), which is why the elemental conduits are necessary.