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Knight of Solamnia

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#1
zombiegleemax
Jun 29, 2007 13:00:19 I am thinking of changing worlds (We are currently gaming in Forgotten Realms). One of my players wants to be a Knight so the Knights of Solamnia would be perfect for him. I was looking over the Knights of the Crown in the Knightly Orders of Ansalon Book and I noticed something. The Knights of the Crown are pretty self-explanitory but when I look at the Knights of the Sword, things get a bit fuzzy. The book says that a player must be a Knight of the Crown before they can become a Knight of the Sword, but in the NPC example they give, there are no levels in Crown Knight (Pg 64, Fighter 6 / Knight of the Crown 2). Is this an error or can someone just become a Knight of the Sword without having been a Crown Knight?
#2
cam_banks
Jun 29, 2007 14:49:21 Membership in the Orders is a requirement for the class, not the other way around. You can play a Knight of the Rose with just fighter levels. The classes give you great abilities and access to skills etc which is why most Knights of Solamnia will take levels in them.

Knights spend a little time in each Order as a squire, initiate, aspirant, etc until they're sure they want to commit to it. Thus, a Knight of the Sword enters the knighthood as a Squire of the Crown, then when he's qualified to progress onwards he gets to choose whether he wants to become a fully-fledged Crown Knight or whether he's shooting for Knight of the Sword instead. Much of this is just roleplayed and in-game. In game terms, so far he could still just be a fighter or a noble.

In older rules, it was definitely the case that you'd go from Crown levels to Sword levels to Rose etc. The Dragonlance Campaign Setting's Solamnic PrCs work like this, but the end result was a messy multiclassed character. We ditched that in favor of a simpler, more customizable version in the Knightly Orders book, and that is now considered to be the standard for the game.

Cheers,
Cam
#3
clarkvalentine
Jun 29, 2007 14:49:35 A character need not take a level of the PrC in order to be a member of the Order.

Edit: Dang, scooped.
#4
cam_banks
Jun 29, 2007 14:50:13
A character need not take a level of the PrC in order to be a member of the Order.

Edit: Dang, scooped.

W00t!

Cheers,
Cam
#5
zombiegleemax
Jun 29, 2007 16:00:13 Schweet!

Thanks guys!

Dragonlance, Here I come!!!!
#6
zombiegleemax
Jun 29, 2007 18:22:58 Having levels in the other Knight Classes was also a part of Dragonlance Adventures wasnt it?
#7
cam_banks
Jun 29, 2007 21:30:28
Having levels in the other Knight Classes was also a part of Dragonlance Adventures wasnt it?

Yes, and it was DLA that gave rise to the idea that you didn't switch Orders except when you had decided not to commit to one.

Cheers,
Cam
#8
zombiegleemax
Jun 30, 2007 9:27:28 Please explain.
#9
cam_banks
Jun 30, 2007 10:33:25
Please explain.

According to the way DLA's rules worked, you only had once chance to switch Orders, and it was before you became fully-invested in the Order you were currently in (i.e you were still a squire or initiate). You didn't change Orders from Crown to Sword later in life, for instance.

Cheers,
Cam
#10
steelwind
Jun 30, 2007 12:39:30 Is that how it works for Rose as well? Do you start out a basic squire and say "hmm I think I'll join the Rose Knights", because I didnt actually have a problem with the DLCS setup due to the fact you had to work to attain the title of rose knight.
#11
zombiegleemax
Jun 30, 2007 17:00:47 Steelwind, I love the conversation with the DM in your signature!!
#12
steelwind
Jul 05, 2007 11:20:08
Steelwind, I love the conversation with the DM in your signature!!

Thanks, it was even funnier to be there. The player was like while the DM was like :evillaugh and we were all like
#13
lancereaver
Jul 05, 2007 11:37:14
W00t!

Cheers,
Cam

I don't think I've eve seen Cam Banks drop his professional manner in such a way. It's weird, and cool at the same time.
#14
zombiegleemax
Jul 05, 2007 14:36:06 He does it frequently.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Jun 29, 2007 13:00:19	I am thinking of changing worlds (We are currently gaming in Forgotten Realms). One of my players wants to be a Knight so the Knights of Solamnia would be perfect for him. I was looking over the Knights of the Crown in the Knightly Orders of Ansalon Book and I noticed something. The Knights of the Crown are pretty self-explanitory but when I look at the Knights of the Sword, things get a bit fuzzy. The book says that a player must be a Knight of the Crown before they can become a Knight of the Sword, but in the NPC example they give, there are no levels in Crown Knight (Pg 64, Fighter 6 / Knight of the Crown 2). Is this an error or can someone just become a Knight of the Sword without having been a Crown Knight?
#2 cam_banks Jun 29, 2007 14:49:21	Membership in the Orders is a requirement for the class, not the other way around. You can play a Knight of the Rose with just fighter levels. The classes give you great abilities and access to skills etc which is why most Knights of Solamnia will take levels in them. Knights spend a little time in each Order as a squire, initiate, aspirant, etc until they're sure they want to commit to it. Thus, a Knight of the Sword enters the knighthood as a Squire of the Crown, then when he's qualified to progress onwards he gets to choose whether he wants to become a fully-fledged Crown Knight or whether he's shooting for Knight of the Sword instead. Much of this is just roleplayed and in-game. In game terms, so far he could still just be a fighter or a noble. In older rules, it was definitely the case that you'd go from Crown levels to Sword levels to Rose etc. The Dragonlance Campaign Setting's Solamnic PrCs work like this, but the end result was a messy multiclassed character. We ditched that in favor of a simpler, more customizable version in the Knightly Orders book, and that is now considered to be the standard for the game. Cheers, Cam
#3 clarkvalentine Jun 29, 2007 14:49:35	A character need not take a level of the PrC in order to be a member of the Order. Edit: Dang, scooped.
#4 cam_banks Jun 29, 2007 14:50:13	A character need not take a level of the PrC in order to be a member of the Order. Edit: Dang, scooped. W00t! Cheers, Cam
#5 zombiegleemax Jun 29, 2007 16:00:13	Schweet! Thanks guys! Dragonlance, Here I come!!!!
#6 zombiegleemax Jun 29, 2007 18:22:58	Having levels in the other Knight Classes was also a part of Dragonlance Adventures wasnt it?
#7 cam_banks Jun 29, 2007 21:30:28	Having levels in the other Knight Classes was also a part of Dragonlance Adventures wasnt it? Yes, and it was DLA that gave rise to the idea that you didn't switch Orders except when you had decided not to commit to one. Cheers, Cam
#8 zombiegleemax Jun 30, 2007 9:27:28	Please explain.
#9 cam_banks Jun 30, 2007 10:33:25	Please explain. According to the way DLA's rules worked, you only had once chance to switch Orders, and it was before you became fully-invested in the Order you were currently in (i.e you were still a squire or initiate). You didn't change Orders from Crown to Sword later in life, for instance. Cheers, Cam
#10 steelwind Jun 30, 2007 12:39:30	Is that how it works for Rose as well? Do you start out a basic squire and say "hmm I think I'll join the Rose Knights", because I didnt actually have a problem with the DLCS setup due to the fact you had to work to attain the title of rose knight.
#11 zombiegleemax Jun 30, 2007 17:00:47	Steelwind, I love the conversation with the DM in your signature!!
#12 steelwind Jul 05, 2007 11:20:08	Steelwind, I love the conversation with the DM in your signature!! Thanks, it was even funnier to be there. The player was like while the DM was like :evillaugh and we were all like
#13 lancereaver Jul 05, 2007 11:37:14	W00t! Cheers, Cam I don't think I've eve seen Cam Banks drop his professional manner in such a way. It's weird, and cool at the same time.
#14 zombiegleemax Jul 05, 2007 14:36:06	He does it frequently.