* * * Wizards Community Thread * * * -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Thread : Old time AD&D addict getting back into it Started at 10-12-03 10:00 AM by Dogbreath Visit at http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=113872 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1] Author : Dogbreath Date : 10-12-03 10:00 AM Thread Title : Old time AD&D addict getting back into it Well, ran across this forum, and I have to say it's pretty exciting to find people that played (still play) the original AD&D system. I'm just getting back into it after a decade or more off. An interesting post from "Unknowable" about AD&D experiences; I was in complete understanding about "getting back into it" and finding nothing but sort of creepy dweebs and annoying weenies to play with. I actually made an attempt myself after high school to find players and DM's, but I had similar disasterous results. Well, it's been years and years, and I'd like to really play again. I started by scoring, what I consider to be the only 3 books I need: The Players Handbook, The DM Guide, and of course the Monster Manual. I was suprised that I could find the original materials so cheaply on online auctions! Part of the reason I lost interest after high school is once the second editions came out, most of my friends got too caught up in buying extra gear and the focus was no longer on playing as much. I felt like, and still do, that the original system (granted with it's holes and problems), was all that was needed. Once TSR came out with tons of books and other stuff, it seemed like the simplicity of the game became lost. Well, I just scored some of the original materials and books, and I hope to find some players (this may be tough! I live in a tiny town in Texas). Anyone have any of the old "mono" covered modules they'd like to sell? Even Silver Anniversary reprints are cool with me, as long as they have the original mono colored covers! (great memories, let me tell you)--I hope to make some "1st edition" friends on this site. Kinda tough for an old 37 year old player to tread this territory again. May take awhile to get the rust out. Har! Dogbreath (or "son of" i suppose...he was my favorite dimwited Viking character from years back!----now to only re-create him...) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 2] Author : Stonebeard Date : 10-12-03 08:23 PM Thread Title : Re: Old time AD&D addict getting back into it I know how you feel, i'm 35 and still in this game without anyone to play with. When I play its online usually through Email. Can't imagine I'd ever get into another table top game as its rather hard to bring up that I play to people my age and of course parents look at you rather funny when your at the table with players under 18. Still lots of play left out there online and more gaining every day. Best of luck to you. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 3] Author : Dogbreath Date : 10-12-03 08:50 PM Say, Stonebeard, let's keep in touch. I would like that, you sound very similar to myself in situation, and besides, i'd like to learn more about this online playing. It's probably the only way I'll get to do this much again. Maybe the two of us could do some adventurin' together. Any details about how to do this online? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 4] Author : ekote Date : 10-13-03 12:04 PM Yup, 35 here and I only get to play 3-4 times a year when my 2 buds from other states come back to visit. We decided to go with 2E this year, but I'll be lobbying hard to go 'old school' next year. Enjoy and good luck! BTW, here's a good site for modules you can download/print. I don't think they have any of the old ones except "The Secret Of Bone Hill - L1 Dungeon Module", but they have a decent amount of alternative adventures... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 5] Author : Dogbreath Date : 10-13-03 12:16 PM Thread Title : AD&D 1st ed. online?? anyone? Hey, Ekote thanks for the info on the site. I think after i get my manuals and do some reading to get back into it, i might attempt an online play session of some sort using the "old school" set up of AD&D ed.1. Be interested? I dunno, Stonebeard mentioned the notion of playing online, and that sort of occured to me, but I have no idea how it would work, so it might not be worth it. We're about the same age, so playing styles might be similar. Think i might try it though; just DM some good ol' simple dungeon dwelling stuff. Anyone out there want to mess with it with me? I'm only interested in a stripped down old approach to playing though. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 6] Author : ekote Date : 10-13-03 12:24 PM That sounds good to me-keep me posted. I'm subscribed to this thread, so I'll get any updates or you can email me directly at 'iwillown@yourass.com' (no, really!). Apparently, there are some who do the PBE (Play By Email) route as well. Haven't done it myself, but I would be up for trying!!! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 7] Author : Avery Date : 10-13-03 01:24 PM I'm new to the board too. I'm 32 and also from the old school. The only way I seems to be able to play with the new rules is though CRPGs, like NWN and TOEE. There seems to be way too much to keep track of with the new rules. If you guys are serious about getting an old school game together please post about it. I'd be interested also. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 8] Author : Dogbreath Date : 10-13-03 05:41 PM Thread Title : To ekote and avery: online game We can sure give it a try. Thanks to both of you for replies. Let me get my old manuals in the mail, and start getting back into this. I'll need some time to work up an adventure, and then even more time to start working out how to do this online where it isn't gonna take us 3 years to get thru a single setting. It seems to me that an intro to the story to kick it off via email to all participating, and then possible "live" playing using Yahoo Messenger or something would work. Everyone would have to be on the honor system on die rolls, because without dice it's going to NOT seem like AD&D as far as i'm concerned. I understand there a die generating programs out there; this idea doesn't thrill me much. It seems to me we should be able to put something to gether via chat/email as long as we keep it simple. Seems like it should work! I've got "Ekote's" email right now (excellent email address by the way, har!), I'll hold on to that, and will send mine via email shortly to you so you'll have it. On Avery's and anyone else interested, i'll have to round those up. Thanks again, us old timers can sure give it a shot! DOGBREATH -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 9] Author : theDwarf Date : 10-13-03 11:38 PM Thread Title : Re: Old time AD&D addict getting back into it Originally posted by Dogbreath Well, I just scored some of the original materials and books, and I hope to find some players (this may be tough! I live in a tiny town in Texas). Good luck on finding players! I have never had any problems in that regard, but see below for reasons why. IME the best place to find players is either at a gaming store or a college. Gaming store owners usually prefer it if you run games currently in print so that they generate more sales (you can't blame them ... those that provide in-store areas to game are using up potential retail product display space and should get something for such an investment). If you go this route then you may want to check out HackMaster (basically AD&D rewritten) as it may go over better with some store owners. Other store owners (especially those heavy in the resale market) may be more tolerant of someone running ANY RPG as they tend to boost sales when the players start checking into what they want to run (other systems, etc). Colleges are more open to people running any game, but are much harder to find people to play a specific game, especially OOP ... they can be just as "trendy" as game stores, sometimes more so. LARPS are now "the thing" at the college I went to and I remember at least 8 "game fads" while I was in college (including Car Wars, BattleTech, etc) which made it tough for a while to start a game. :rolleyes: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 10] Author : Lord Gwydion Date : 10-14-03 02:44 AM I play online with some friends using a program called OpenRPG. It's a free download, and you can find it by doing a web search. It has a built in map/miniatures feature, character sheets that roll attacks/skills/saves, a die roller feature, etc. We combine it with a Yahoo Messenger voice chat and play D&D 3.5, Star Wars d20 and d20 Modern. I had to do a little modifying to play Modern, but it wasn't too hard. It wouldn't be too difficult to adjust things for older D&D editions (and the ORPG site may have older versions from 2E days still...) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 11] Author : Algolei Date : 10-14-03 06:34 AM I'm almost 39 here. About ten years ago, I started recruiting new players called nieces and nephews! :D Now I've got two regular players, one occasional player, and one I'll-play-if-there's-a-game-during-this-two-week-stretch-every-summer player. Young people are a great pool for new players, especially if they bring their friends into the game with them. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 12] Author : Dogbreath Date : 10-14-03 07:58 AM For me it's important to play with friends, not just people I've adopted to play. I'm still sort of sorting thru a possible list of actual humans i KNOW (as oppossed to online friends). I think I can put a group together if I approach the right individuals. Most will have no experience. The other group we're working on is some new friends via this electronic format: 3 or 4 of us (as you can read in the posts) might try to kick-off some online play. Thanks for the ideas, all of you, by the way on how that's done. Messenger is probably how we'll do it once we give it a shot. I don't know if it'll work, but it's worth trying. I've got to be careful about how I put this together, in my home town I mean. This is where I ran into problems years and years ago trying to get back into it. It's a long and pointless story, but basiclly ended up meeting individuals who turned into a darned curse. That's why I say tabletop play, at least, has got to be with people I at least know fairly well. It just doesn't seem to work with me searching out unknowns. Algolei's ideas about snagging nieces and nephews is a great one. Won't work for me though; the only ones I have are teeny-tiny and live about a thousand miles away! The Dwarf's ideas about recruiting from a college or comic shop: the college idea is certainly possible, since I work at a university, but that's going to take some tact and careful approach for reasons explained above. The comic idea is out, because there's not a comic shop within a hundred miles of me! So, old Dogbreath is pretty pathetic in short. Set of dice, 3 books he ain't got in the mail yet, and no players in sight! har!! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 13] Author : The MadStepDad Date : 10-14-03 11:18 AM Yay Dogbreath! You should work some of your magic on the Grumpy DM, seems as if he's leaning towards quitting. MY advice to you? Don't find another D&D group. MAKE YOUR OWN. That's the best way to do it. Get your PHB out and start the recruitment process. Don't pick anybody that already plays, cuz like you said, they're most likely dweebs. That's why you gotta start from the bottom and build your OWN group how YOU like it! That's what I did, and the results are wonderous! Plus, it feels really good to spread the Love of the Game. So spread it on thick, homie, and start building the NEW generation of RPG'ers! http://boards1.wizards.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=293 (this is my current Ravenloft campaign, c'mon down and say hello) peace! MSD -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 14] Author : ekote Date : 10-14-03 11:32 AM I once put an ad in the local paper stating my age, experience in D+D, etc. and that I was looking for like-minded players to start a group. That was 15 years ago. One of the people who responded is one of 3 of my very best friends in the world. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 15] Author : The MadStepDad Date : 10-14-03 11:40 AM Originally posted by ekote I once put an ad in the local paper stating my age, experience in D+D, etc. and that I was looking for like-minded players to start a group. That was 15 years ago. One of the people who responded is one of 3 of my very best friends in the world. This should be framed and hung on the wall. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 16] Author : diaglo Date : 10-14-03 11:51 AM welcome aboard:D fellow hillstreet blues fan.;) don't tell that isn't where you got your handle.:smirk: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 17] Author : Dogbreath Date : 10-14-03 01:58 PM Thread Title : once more, great idears!!! hey, thanks for all the great feedback...man, this forum is working out great for meeting some real individuals instead of just the same predictable weenies-----thanks for welcoming me into the discussion of all this. MadStepDad's idea about starting NEW is really pretty ingenius; it never really crossed my mind to start fresh with individuals "untainted" by the 50,000 rule books and supplements. Besides, like Ekote says, great way to make new friends from the ground up. Yea, i dunno, the game to me was so cool way back when because we'd have a beer or two and really go at some colorful adventuring. I remember some battles and scenes that were of the caliber that felt like the greatest Harryhausen movie you'd ever seen. It really was a blast. Then, i met this second group of individuals once it got more popular. This bunch, i dunno, i can see why the game got the stigma that it did, as far as being something for "geeks". I'm proud to say i'm interested in stuff that is considered "nerdy", and i don't mean that in the current trendy way, but these individuals just made the game NO FUN. All they cared about was acting like complete knuckleheads, trying to actually take the game into the REAL world, etc. you know how it goes. This was the same group that so predictably "couldn't possibly allow a GIRLS to play"-----ha!! No wonder some of these guys are still living at home at 40! I dunno, I kinda like girls, ask my wife I'm pretty fond of her, and she can "hack and slash" with the best of em in any old dingy dungeon setting. Besides, I can't explain it unless you had been there, but it was nauseating enough to put me off the whole idea for a long time. Can't blame the game for a few idiots however. By the way, I never watched Hill Street Blues. Seriously, I've never seen one single episode, although I recall that people said it was really good. Tended to avoid tv all those years back. Nah, my guys name "DOGBREATH" actually came from trying to give a jab to these dorks I was playing with back then, because they would get made if you had any sense of humor in the game. Their characters always had these very authentic, mythical names, and they always hated me because I'd show up with my homemade character sheet, by mismatching dice (God forbid! I used ACTUAL poker dice for D6's!!), and my beat up couple of books. I never competed with these guys that had the "Complete Grimoire Psyonicists Manual Part 6" kinda thing. Anyhow, I came up with this totally offensive viking type of guy called "Dogbreath" that stunk, was missing teeth and had like a 5 for intelligence. Ha! They hated that. When he was finally killed off by this DM, I made em (under actual physical threat) carry his heavy corpse around for the rest of the adventure because I planned on trying to get him resurrected. HAR! they hated me! Dead guy kept fouling up all their plans, he was heavy as crud, and then to make matters worse he started getting ripe!!-------ha!!--------eh, it was good enough for em, with their perfect "Cloaks of Everystinkingthing", and their "Wands of DoItAll"-------- Dogbreath -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 18] Author : DragonMa15 Date : 10-17-03 03:08 PM Hello. I don't know if you are planning on trying the whole online thing still, but My current group is breaking up and I was thinking about giving it a go online. I know on AOL that you can go to keyword "dice" to bring up a dice rolling program. There is also a command line you can type in. It is //rolls but i forgot the rest. If you download AIM you can go to chatrooms, and it should work. Anyway, if anyone was interested in playing online, I was thinking about a dungeon crawl for my first shot. Deff. 1e, or a combo of 1E & 2E. I was thinking about running Greyhawk Ruins. If anyone is interested, why not leave a post or E-mail me at: DragonMa15@aol.com Thanks, Gregg -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 19] Author : ekote Date : 10-17-03 04:13 PM Hey DragonMa15, I'm up for whatever you think sounds good. Keep me posted. IWILLOWN@YOURASS.COM -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 20] Author : Dogbreath Date : 10-17-03 05:36 PM I'm interested as well. You're talking about DM'ing?--we could give it a try. Ekote and i are both toying around with the idea of an online play group. I will email you with my address if your interested in having me. I'm interested in playing the versions you've stated (as a DM, I will only do pretty much 1st ed.).. anyhow, this is intriguing to me; I'm just getting back into it, as stated above, and would like to try this out. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 21] Author : Yen-Lo-Wang Date : 10-17-03 07:22 PM Hey! A board where I don't feel old! I'm a bit younger than you guys (28) but I started playing when I was 9 and the new generation of 3e players make me cringe...All numbers no story:mad: I try telling them about the wonders of ROLE playing and usually end up getting shouted down. I miss AD&D. Hell, I miss the D&D Basic and Expert rules(Anyone else remember the original purple box for the Basic set?) I do have all the original hardcovers for AD&D if anyone needs any info (They are never being sold, in fact they are getting buried with me :D ) I'm proud to say i'm interested in stuff that is considered "nerdy", and i don't mean that in the current trendy way Stand up and be counted! I love all kinds of "geeky" stuff: Anime, science fiction, fantasy, collecting action figures, swords etc...but I am a far cry from the typical "geek role player" that most people think of... This was the same group that so predictably "couldn't possibly allow a GIRLS to play When I argue with these guys I ask them when's the last time they saw a real live naked woman that they didn't pay for and wasn't a relative...usually shuts them up pretty quick ;) Anyway, good luck Dogbreath! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 22] Author : Dogbreath Date : 10-17-03 07:41 PM Yen-Lo Wang: care to join up for this online attempt? Trying to round up a group to give it a shot. Thanks for the post, keep in touch! Dogbreath -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 23] Author : Yen-Lo-Wang Date : 10-17-03 07:46 PM Originally posted by Dogbreath Yen-Lo Wang: care to join up for this online attempt? Trying to round up a group to give it a shot. Thanks for the post, keep in touch! Dogbreath I would say yes but my schedule is too hectic right now for me to be able to...too much real life crap cutting into my gaming time:mad: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 24] Author : Dogbreath Date : 10-17-03 07:51 PM Gotcha! I hear that. You're always welcome to game with me; I'm looking for new gamin' buds. Later! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 25] Author : Yen-Lo-Wang Date : 10-17-03 07:52 PM Thanks for the invite! If my my schedule clears up I'll definitely be in touch;) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 26] Author : WSmith Date : 10-17-03 08:18 PM Dogbreath, where in TX are you? If you are in driving distance to the DFW area, let me know. I could hook you up with some incredible AD&D fans. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 27] Author : Stonebeard Date : 10-17-03 08:47 PM I won't apologize for the delayed response... i've been busy in my pbem game so I know you'll understand. PBEM is short for Play By Email if you didn't know. I find my games through www.pbem.com I've also played on webRPG and on IRC with a dice bot. I'll have to give a look for this OpenRPG thing but yeah as you can see we're not exactly a minority there's plenty of us "Old Timers" out there still playing we're just spread more thinly of late. ...eh? whats that?... oh hand me my dice.... their over there by by my teeth... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 28] Author : Dogbreath Date : 10-17-03 08:56 PM I'm WAY out in the sticks of east texas. Appreciate the offer, but i rarely drive to the fort worth area, and dallas is even rarer. On the good news front for the ol' Dogbreath, I think i will be able to assemble a group of newbies to start fresh with the game since I work at a college. Shouldn't be a problem. There's already a group on campus; probably make my own group. Hey, Stonebeard! How's that online playing coming? I gotta look into that. I dunno, seems like it might be an okay replacement for the table version, but might miss some of the charm. Gonna have to try it. Been busy scoring "old school" (to use a current phrase), modules lately. Nailing 'em pretty cheap online. Scored all the G series mono colored "Giant" series, also, the "Drow" ones. Anyone out there need an extra copy of the MONSTER MANUAL?? I'm gonna end up with one, because of a score i made. Heck, I only need one. Also MIGHT have an extra copy of "TOMB OF HORRORS" coming, but that's not definite quite yet. Finally, this might be blasphemy on this website, but it came in a pile of of stuff I scored: who needs the TUNNELS AND TROLLS system?? Anyone?? I have no use for it, AD&D first edition is all i'm working on collecting and playing and designing for. If anybody wants any of these items give a post to this thread and we can work out a deal thru email. Dogbreath -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 29] Author : SiHacker22 Date : 10-20-03 02:21 AM Thread Title : Getting Back into it Hey, I guess I'm in the bracket as well being 35, married with a morgage :) I found that there are very few First edt & D&D Basic Campaigns still running and less around our age group-best thing would be to attempt to start you own "First Edt Game" with new players, round our age group & I would suggest non gamers. During an arvo tea one Wednesday I managed to convince a few work mates to do a one off in & out adventure. (I made sure that it was all really low key & I even dropped die rolles for tossing a coin-Keep it simple and all that) The game went well and a month later they asked to play another. The group has grown to six players and its been running for a few months now. If you take the time to build it as the saying goies they will come. We play 3 times a week in our lunch hour which really works well. A web site called www.RPGnow.com is an awsome spot for purchasing First Edition. It all comes (downloads) in PDF form-this is easily thrown on a CD. I managed to get the 3 Core First edt Books for under $20.00 So take my advice and get back into Hacking. Now where did I put the keys to the Harley-I have a game on today. ;) Simon -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 30] Author : DragonMa15 Date : 10-20-03 11:44 AM Hey Dogbreath, Ekote, thanks for the quick replies. I was away for the weekend and didn't get a chance to respond until this morning. I'm still looking for a few more players though. This is the only post I've tried. So maybe I will try a few more. Anyone interested in playing, drop me an E-mail at DragonMa15@aol.com And I will keep everyone up to date on whats going on :) Hope to start gamming soon, Gregg -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 31] Author : lothartvni Date : 10-27-03 12:27 AM Hey Dogbreath, Where at in East Texas? I come from Center, but am now holed up in Dallas. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 32] Author : zerohour Date : 10-27-03 01:03 AM greetings i couldnt help but read your tread and was wondering if u guys are gonna actually get it up and running i would love to join in !!!! :behold: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 33] Author : Dogbreath Date : 10-27-03 06:28 AM Center, eh? I live in Nacogdoches actually. May end up heading more your direction in the next year or so, if the job situation pans out. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 34] Author : Dogbreath Date : 10-27-03 06:32 AM Hey, Zerohour! We'd sure like to have you onboard! We are up to 5 players so far, I think. Starting off with some character introduction this Wed. Wanna check it out, here's the link to the page Gregg (our hardworking DM) has set up at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Dragonsplace/ ,..........hope to see you there! Dogbreath -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 35] Author : DragonMa15 Date : 10-27-03 12:17 PM Thanks for the good word there, Rondo! I'm just doing what I can. But we are still looking for more players. So anyone interested, please e-mail me at DragonMa15@aol.com Or follow the link that Dogbreath posted. Thanks, Gregg:behold: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 36] Author : Agrivar_wpg Date : 10-29-03 02:17 PM Welcome All to the wonderful world of 1E. (I am actually one of the members of DragonMa15's group and an avid 1E player). I'm a little younger than the rest of you (27) but I have been playing this great game for 20+ years. I couldn't really read or add, but I knew how to kill an orc. (For a laugh you should see some of those original character sheets - I've got them all still). Reading the posts I have to think I'm a little luckier than the rest of you because I've got a great tabletop group that manages to play every couple weeks. The ages range from 45 (DM and 2 players) to late twenties (3 players) to early twenties (2 newbies that we are teaching). We, of course, avoid the 3-3.5 version with a vengeance. Dogbreath, I've got to agree with your sense of creating a group and running a game that's going to make you happy. Find the players, teach them what you like to see (remember that as DM, you are God) and run with it. Long term enjoyment at it's best (of course converting everybody back to 1E never hurts either). Of course, the key to any great game is the story (although you probably need dungeon crawls and hack & slash sessions to set up other events) and the DM I've got currently is a master. We're playing an almost factual account of the 19 Egyptian dynasty and are involving ourself with what we are considering to be the fall of Atlantis. The thing is, once the game ends, the players will talk about what happened and what needs to be done util we play again - talk about keeping interest up! At any rate, keep up the good work and keep singing the praises of 1E. If you need gamers for an on-line game, keep me in mind. I can be reached at "agrivar_wpg@hotmail.com" or "agrivar_wpg@yahoo.com" - notice a trend? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 37] Author : Dogbreath Date : 10-29-03 06:35 PM Thanks for the nice reply, Agrivar-------coincidently: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Dragonsplace/ here's the link to our online session we're kicking off tonight at 6 central!-----come on over and play with us---------!:88E: :88E: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 38] Author : Skeletalmage Date : 10-29-03 08:31 PM I'm 35 also. Married with 5 kids on top of that. Anyway, we have several 3.5e games going on at my site, but as an old timer,, I'd like to start a 2e game. If anybody is interested just stop by and let me know. The version is cool in it's own right, but I'll always love what I grew up on most. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 39] Author : AdoniasServant Date : 11-01-03 03:59 PM I myself, am a 33 year old plumber from maryland, I have an itch I cant seem to scratch, looking for an AD&D game, I have spent alot of time on ebay looking for good materials, I also go on kazaa and dload, docs and pdfs from people, i have gained alot of good stuff this way. I am ready and willing to play if anyone needs an experienced gamer. experienced but hasnt played in nigh on 20 years. lol -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 40] Author : Skeletalmage Date : 11-01-03 04:03 PM Well by all means, visit us at the link in my signature. We'd love to have you on! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 41] Author : Dogbreath Date : 11-01-03 04:04 PM Hey, come over and play with us at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Dragonsplace/ :behold: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 42] Author : DragonMa15 Date : 11-03-03 02:06 PM Hey AdoniasServant Welcome aboard! Hope to see you at 6 CT. And anyone else is welcomed to drop by. Thanks, Gregg DragonMa15@aol.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 43] Author : Dugald the Lexicographer Date : 11-05-03 10:06 PM Obviously there are a few of us around! 33, married, mortgage, 2 kids, expecting 3rd in Feb I didn't start playing D&D until I was in Jr High, then stumbled from Basic 1E through several chaotic years. Neither me or my best friend had any experience, so we'd pick up bits of rules here and there, and gradually came to a point where we were playing a pretty solid 2E game. Those early years are ridiculous to look back on, but did have something going for them: story telling. Since we didn't have strong rules, the games tended to be much more about telling the story. As we figured out the rules I think it made for a great foundation. Then he moved away. I gamed some in college then really fell out of it for a few years. About three years ago I moved back into the LA area, and rejoined my old High School buddies who were starting up a new campaign, to be played DM Round Robin. We've been playing once every 1-2 months since May 2000. It's a 2E game ... and it's incredible. I've run two phases of the campaign, which together ran for over a year. Now back in the PC shoes, getting beat up and loving it. ;) Anyhow ... Dogbreath, welcome back to the game. I hope you find a group, build a group (I agree, untrained but willing people are great, nephews etc.!), and rediscover the good stuff. Best of luck! -- Dugald a.k.a. DPDearing -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 44] Author : Dogbreath Date : 11-05-03 10:29 PM Thanks DpDearing. My group of 3 will kick off right before christmas, giving me plenty of time to work on my first module..love making my own stuff----playing online right now, and that is going fantastic so far! :behold: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 45] Author : Dogbreath Date : 11-05-03 10:29 PM Thanks DpDearing. My group of 3 will kick off right before christmas, giving me plenty of time to work on my first module..love making my own stuff----playing online right now, and that is going fantastic so far! :behold: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 46] Author : DragonMa15 Date : 11-06-03 09:10 AM Hey DPDearing congratulations, Always good to see another OOP Gamer around here. Hope you game continues to go well. Gone but not forgotten my arse. As long as you have players, you will always have new games! Lets keep OOP D&D going strong, one table at a time. Gregg :behold: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 47] Author : billchamb Date : 11-14-03 07:17 AM Hi, all. Dogbreath, you seem to have initiated a tidal wave of "out-of-the-gaming-closet" experiences! Way to go! I myself am 37. I stumbled in here (the boards and all) trying to find some help getting my 11 y.o. son into RP'ing. As I've dug through my 2ed. stuff, I find it still makes my heart sing. I haven't played in 18 years or so. Dut to time/schedule constraints, I am doubtful the online experience is for me for the time being. Honestly, I've only skimmed this thread, but I plan on going back and re-reading more closely everyone's piece of the story. Thanks to all of you! Its good to know you're out there. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 48] Author : billchamb Date : 11-14-03 07:17 AM Edit: Got an error and a double post, tried to delete the redundant one, couldn't, so this is what remains... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 49] Author : Dugald the Lexicographer Date : 11-14-03 10:59 AM Best of luck with your son billchamb. If you can't find other players, one-on-one games can work out really well. But if you CAN get a couple of experienced players together who don't mind having a beginner in the group, it's a much better experience for neophytes. Your son can learn the ropes from watching the way the more experienced players interact with the DM, and the players can tutor your son while you're running the big picture, which keeps you from having to be everywhere at once. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 50] Author : Yen-Lo-Wang Date : 11-14-03 02:47 PM One on One games are great for learning too. I learned in One on One games with my cousin, it gave me a chance to learn the rules and he had the time to teach me since I was the only player. By the time I graduated to playing with his regular group I had a good grasp of the basics and went on to learning to play as part of a group. Either way, good job on training another generation of dice-rolling maniacs:D -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 51] Author : Dogbreath Date : 11-14-03 04:02 PM Hey, Billchamb- yea, this post has taken on a life of it's own! har!--lot of old closet players in there lurking. Hey, i was thinking about your son too; i'd like to point out that group play isn't the only way to go: when i played the first go round, years and years ago, it was just me and another guy (grew up way out in the sticks), anyhow those are some of the best gaming experiences I ever had. With you as the DM and he playing, and then switching off roles after he learns, you can get in some great experiences that the two of you will always have. The beauty of this system (i play good ol' clunky 1st edition myself) is that it works with any number of players, from 2 to the sky's the limit i suppose. Our online is going REAL well, mainly due to the efforts of our incredible DM. You are always welcome to play with us should you find the time, and that goes for your son, experience or not! Dogbreath :behold: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 52] Author : DragonMa15 Date : 11-14-03 05:05 PM I prefer Magnificent!!!!!:angel: Heh heh heh. But seriously Billchamb, we always welcome new players. And I almost prefer brand new gamers. They are like working with a blank canvas ( Right Rondo?). You can teach them the game you know and like. Include the house rules you are more comfortable playing with. But getting a new player in with a group of experienced players is also gold. As long as the other players can be patient. And you might even find one willing to take him " under his wing". But a one on one game is a good way to learn. You can really focus on good roleplaying and helping him with his faults. So I say go with what you got. And have a good time Gregg :behold: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 53] Author : billchamb Date : 11-15-03 10:17 AM Dogbreath, Dugald, Yen-Lo & DragonMa: Thanks for the encouragement! I think someone must have sprinkled some Dust of Archaic Atrophy on my brain cells, though. I was always a player, never a DM. For playing one-on-one with my boy, would I just need to scale back the number of monsters he would face in a module that's marked "for 4-6 characters"? Or is the suggestion more along the lines of making up my own? Based on the replies of others in this thread, I've begun to contemplate trying to form a small group of my son, two nephews and maybe a school friend or two, but I want to make sure I'M up to speed first. I'm still debating stepping back to 1e, although a good friend who owns a game store continues to recommend that I start him/them on 2e. I've got a little of both resources. He tells me 2e resources ar easier to come by. Thanks, all!! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 54] Author : ekote Date : 11-15-03 10:44 AM If you stick to the original 1E books, the game is much less complicated. I think it's a perfect set of rules to start someone on the game. Also, if you google a little, you'll find endless modules online that you can download for free. Convert one into a Word doc and editing the game is a breeze. You are on the verge of exposing young minds to this great game. Think back on how much happiness this bit of nostalgia can provide just for yourself and be confident that you are about to cast a set of memories that will last these little guys a lifetime. Go forth and play, I say!!! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 55] Author : Dogbreath Date : 11-15-03 11:14 AM Well stated Ekote. ;) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 56] Author : billchamb Date : 11-15-03 02:46 PM Just so I'm clear...when we speak of 1e are we speaking of the "Basic/Expert" set of rules or is there something I'm missing? I've got a 3-hole punched version of "Dungeons & Dragons Basic Rules" (red soft cover) and blue/aqua "Expert" rules...no mention of "Advanced..." Sorry for being a bit slow on the uptake. Bill -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 57] Author : ekote Date : 11-15-03 05:26 PM When I speak of 1E, I simply mean the original hardcover Player's Handbook, DMG, MM, Etc. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 58] Author : Dogbreath Date : 11-15-03 06:01 PM Yep same here-----Ekote and I are referring to the original DM's Guide (has the Effreet on the cover), the original Players Handbook, and the Monster Manual----in addition you may want to use the Fiend Folio, and Dieties and Demigods, along with Monster Manual 2 for more material-------that's all ya need!(by the way, if you don't have these books you can pick them off for dirt cheap at ebay) Dogbreath -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 59] Author : WSmith Date : 11-17-03 11:39 AM Originally posted by billchamb JustI've got a 3-hole punched version of "Dungeons & Dragons Basic Rules" (red soft cover) and blue/aqua "Expert" rules...no mention of "Advanced..." Bill The is the Basic and Expert D&D line, editied by Tom Moldvay. It is not 1e, which is the Original AD&D written by Gary Gygax, and originally in three volumes: Players Handbook, Dungeons Masters Guide, and the Monster Manual. IMO, of course many will not agree with me, the set you have it the best "version" of D&D. It is especially perfect for introducing new players to D&D, because it is so simple. Welcome, bill. (see the sig for more Old School D&D stuff) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 60] Author : billchamb Date : 11-17-03 03:31 PM WSmith, Thanks! I finally figured out just how much I had over the weekend. Thus far: Basic Rules (for characters Level 1-3) Expert Rules (for characters Level 4-10?) DM Guide 1e PHB 1e Fiend Folio 1e MM 1e DM Guide 2.5e PHB 2.5e Unearthed Arcana 2e Assorted modules for all versions I stumbled into your site over the weekend as I attempted the suggested Google search for downloadable modules. I hoped to find downloadable "public domain(?)" copies of original OOP modules, but no such luck at any site. Am I just being naive? I've been reading back and forth between the various editions to figure where I want to begin and how much I remember (almost none!). One of these days I'll get it all together and rolling... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 61] Author : Yen-Lo-Wang Date : 11-17-03 03:45 PM Originally posted by WSmith The is the Basic and Expert D&D line, editied by Tom Moldvay. It is not 1e, which is the Original AD&D written by Gary Gygax, and originally in three volumes: Players Handbook, Dungeons Masters Guide, and the Monster Manual. IMO, of course many will not agree with me, the set you have it the best "version" of D&D. It is especially perfect for introducing new players to D&D, because it is so simple. Welcome, bill. (see the sig for more Old School D&D stuff) I agree with you. Simple and straight forward, Basic and Expert are excellent for first timers. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 62] Author : Dugald the Lexicographer Date : 11-17-03 08:05 PM Originally posted by billchamb For playing one-on-one with my boy, would I just need to scale back the number of monsters he would face in a module that's marked "for 4-6 characters"? Or is the suggestion more along the lines of making up my own? If you're going to play one-on-one with a module, you might need to build a party of NPCs to make up the rest of the 4-6! Careful not to have the NPCs make all the decisions, or your son won't feel like he's contributing, so much as just watching the action. If you feel up to it, I'd recommend designing your own adventure. Just keep it WAY SIMPLE to start with. You can always build more, but it's hard to scale back when you've already set the groundwork for an epic. Based on the replies of others in this thread, I've begun to contemplate trying to form a small group of my son, two nephews and maybe a school friend or two, but I want to make sure I'M up to speed first. If you're rusty on the rules, you might want to consider at least one experienced player (even if s/he is as rusty as you) so you don't get overwhelmed. You'll be trying to run the game as well as teach the players, and if you're dusting off the cobwebs at the same time it could get a bit much! One thing I've experienced with neophyte players before is that this game is unlike anything they've played before. Not only do they have to direct the action of their characters, but they have to play a part, with mood and personality. That's usually something new. I find it helps to have an experienced player on board to set an example, so the beginners get the idea how to interact with the DM. Don't get me wrong, I grew up with one-on-one games, and they're great. But when I've tried to run new players one-on-one it has often been uncomfortable for them while they figure out the roleplaying aspect of the game. Following the lead of an experienced (and patient) player as s/he steps into the character role can break the ice for your new players and help them hit the ground running. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 63] Author : billchamb Date : 12-02-03 01:12 PM Just wanted to give a bump to this and inquire as to how the online group was getting on... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 64] Author : DragonMa15 Date : 12-02-03 01:34 PM Hey Billchamb! I almost forgot about this board. I think the online game is going well. Everyone is enjoying themselves at least. And besides for one prank, it has been smooth sailing! Dogbreath could give you an update on whats going on. Or you can just shoot over to //groups.yahoo.com/groups/dragonsplace/ Just become a member and you can read along with Frukel's journal entries. Just disregard the last one! :smirk: Anyway, how is your game going with your son? Has he taken a polish to it? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 65] Author : Date : 12-05-03 04:22 PM I'm hoping to start a new older edition game early next year. My last game diary: http://www.blind-eye.com/blackmoor By player request (and against my own better judgement) I "upgraded" the game to 3e rules shortly before personality conflicts among the players caused me to cancel the game. I'd like to find players interested in playing this earlier version in the Rochester Hills MI area. We already have at least 2 30+ males who we have played with in addition to me. Previously we had a casual, fun game -- pizza and beer. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 66] Author : Gorgin Date : 12-05-03 08:39 PM Thread Title : i thought every body played by the new rules this is great i thought everybody played by those new rules im so glad there are still people that are true to the original wirtings of gary gygax. i may just be a teenager but i have played for awhile this is great. now that i know that there still people that play by the orginal rules i will start to bring it back to the younger generations to come........... we must keep ad&d alive -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 67] Author : WizzyBlackmore Date : 12-06-03 12:33 AM 34, married, baby.......yeah I recently decided to get all the 1st ed. stuff after 22 years....w/ the birth of my daughter I felt my youth getting further away from me.... I have 5 original hardbacks + the orange spine series (except the 5 originals), mint basic set/expert set both 81, Greyhawk 83 set, a MINT 79 basic set about 50 modules and accessories mostly from the 80-81 period.......man this stuff brings back great memories.....music was great then, America was waaaaaay cooler too, no rap and street **** happening, less ******** across the board!!! ......anyway, I'm starting w/ the basic D&D rules, playing solo, no way to find players around here, everyone would and has laughed at me....mo-rons... this is classic stuff..like records which I also collect.....I feel it's important to have a good collection of the 1st ed. game.......it will only become harder to get....at least I'll have it for a future son..... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 68] Author : Gorgin Date : 12-06-03 10:54 AM Thread Title : teach the young ones once there was only the "old ways" but know there are two many people playing by the new ones it is important that you keep the old rules alive in the younger generations. teach you childeren the old rules then tell you childeren to teach there childeren and we all (the old school d&d lovers) must keep to the orignal rules set down by Gary Gygax -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 69] Author : WizzyBlackmore Date : 12-06-03 03:59 PM Amen brother!!!! I have amazing memories of that time........I feel like a grandpa saying 'back in my day things were better." Well I hate to say it..........it was!!! HAhahahaah!!!!! Yes I already turned my nephews on to 1st ed. even bought them the Erol Otis magenta basic set......hopefully they'll run w/ it........ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 70] Author : Dugald the Lexicographer Date : 12-08-03 10:56 AM Two things Wizzy: 1) I know gamers in OC, so it's not impossible to find players in Newport Beach. If you want it, you can find them. Game stores are a good place to start, and I know there's a WotC store at that mall where the 5 and 22 meet ... I think it's the Block at Orange, or somesuch. 2) Don't exclude your daughter! If I interpret you right, you've got a baby, but the "future son" leads me to assume it's a girl. I have known some excellent female gamers, and there's plenty to be had of this game for either sex. Enjoy, and game on! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 71] Author : WizzyBlackmore Date : 12-08-03 12:00 PM I know the mall you are talking about, I'll have to check it out....I assumed that all gaming stores pretty much turned into computer gaming stores, this happened to several that I know of...... .....hahhha yes I have a daughter......my wife would flip if I started an adventure w/ her, well come to think ot it my wife will play......I have to wait about 8 years, she's only 14 mos.. :angel: :angel: :angel: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Downloaded from Wizards Community (http://forums.gleemax.com) at 05-10-08 08:19 AM.