Vampiric Doubt!!!

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#1

zdb

Oct 19, 2007 8:10:08
This is the thing: What would happen if, a Vampire Lord enters the mists?
What about his powers? Will they change?
My doubt is due to the fact that i`m reading the Ravenloft core book and i have a villan in another campaign and i`m thinking about him beign taken by the mists and since he is a a vampire, who became a vampire lord i want to know what will happen with it.

Tnx for any answer!
:D
#2

dwarfpcfan

Oct 19, 2007 11:16:12
If you mean the vampire lord PrC from Libris Mortis then my idea would be immediate darklord status as some sort of Vampire King cursed with impotence (inability to create anymore spawn but can use his other class abilities) that's forced to live on the run in a domain where rebel spawn rule as some sort of Vampire Aristocracy drawing from a few Concepts of the Vampire Counts of Warhammer...

Just an idea...
#3

zdb

Oct 19, 2007 11:43:19
Nope... i mean this vampire lord

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/mm/20021018a


Well if anyone can help me with how to rule it`s powers and what i have said before

Tnx :P
#4

rotipher

Oct 19, 2007 11:43:52
Certainly, such a villain might be given a domain immediately, in which case the vampire lord's powers would change as per other darklords, i.e. in a way that makes the villain strong, yet miserable.

OTOH, if a powerful villain first appears out of the Mists in some established domain, that villain may not become a darklord immediately. Both Azalin and Soth first arrived in the Land of Mists within Strahd's domain, and neither one gained a domain or darklord powers of his own until he physically left Barovia and entered the Mists. The same thing could easily happen IYC, if the vampire lord arrives in some domain where there's already a formidable darklord in residence.

As for the powers of the vampire lord prestige class, I don't have Libris Mortis in front of me to check it over, but as a rule, PrCs' abilities are subject to the same effects of being in Ravenloft as are PHB class abilities or spell effects. That means that, for example, a prestige-class ability that allows a character to usurp control over other villains' zombies won't work against the undead-commanding abilities of darklords like Azalin, and a PrC-based ability to detect evil would detect ethical alignment (Law or Chaos, whichever the character is more opposed to) instead of moral.
#5

rotipher

Oct 19, 2007 11:46:20
Oops, just saw your new post, and that it's the template you were asking about. Still, the same limitations would apply, e.g. the vampire lord's weather-control ability couldn't override a darklord's weather-control powers.
#6

zdb

Oct 19, 2007 11:50:52
Yeah but how should i use this, the vamp lord does not fall asleep when the sun rises, shall he keep that?

And the improve in many abilities, etc.
My question is: Shall i keep this powers and add the powers of ravenloft vampires (due to age) or i have to remove the template and take the base vampire and the add the ravenloft powers?
#7

rotipher

Oct 19, 2007 14:42:09
Keep the template's powers, and just don't worry about age-based modifications to abilities. Given the number of centuries-old vampires in other campaign settings that don't possess such age-related benefits, it's apparent (although never said outright) that the passage of time only makes vampires grow stronger if they age in Ravenloft.

That means that your vampire lord should keep all of the pre-existing benefits of vampire-lordship when he enters Ravenloft, but gets nada in the way of age-related perks. If he stays in the Land of Mists long enough, he'll start to accumulate benefits of aging, calculated as if he'd started out at age zero; those perks shouldn't stack with those of the vampire lord template, but should replace the template's benefits starting at the age-category where the age benefit first becomes superior to the template's.
#8

ravenloftlover347

Oct 21, 2007 15:03:09
How old is your vampire supposed to be? If he's relatively young, I'd say being a Vampire Lord should jump him two to three age catergories in Ravenloft, though he would lose the Vampire Lord template if you want to do it like that.
#9

zdb

Oct 22, 2007 9:10:02
He is 453 years old.

Rothipher idea is good actually...
But could yo explain your idea a little further RavenloftLover347???

And my thought was that at the time he enters the mists, the dark power snanction this powers for not beign under their control and try to strip him of them, but since they are a part of his soul is not quite simple.
In the game mechanics will be to remove the template, add the age-based modifications, but take some of the template abilities as the great powers gained through age, instead of that light sleep ability, the daywalker ability, that sort of stuff, and they will be new abyƱities that may spread in his possible progeny.

What do you think?
#10

rotipher

Oct 22, 2007 9:41:52
And my thought was that at the time he enters the mists, the dark power sanction this powers for not beign under their control and try to strip him of them, but since they are a part of his soul is not quite simple.

It's just my opinion, but I don't recall the Dark Powers being quite so "possessive" about evil beings' power in the past. (They didn't strip Lord Soth of any of his abilities as a death knight, for instance, even though those had been granted by Takhisis rather than themselves.) If history is any example, they don't begrudge Mist-napped villains their existing powers, although they'll sometimes sabotage their abilities as a means of implementing a darklord's curse.


In the game mechanics will be to remove the template, add the age-based modifications, but take some of the template abilities as the great powers gained through age, instead of that light sleep ability, the daywalker ability, that sort of stuff, and they will be new abilities that may spread in his possible progeny.

Remember that vampires in Ravenloft are unique, and plenty of its villains have weird powers as a result of failed Powers checks. If what you're really seeking is an excuse to give this NPC a different set of abilities, you don't need to re-engineer him from the ground up: just have him do something horrible soon after entering Ravenloft, so he fails a Powers check or three, and alter his existing game-stats however you see fit as a result of that. You'll save yourself a lot of work and headaches that way.

The new powers and/or weaknesses you add would then be treated as salient abilities -- unique quirks of this individual vampire -- rather than products of a template or age. Passing them on to his progeny would likewise be a (nasty!) salient ability.
#11

zdb

Oct 23, 2007 9:25:26
Well but since this vampire`s desire/goal/ambition is to achieve vampiric perfection and power raw power, so it will be a great curse to strip him of what he has gained through the evil he caused... besides it will lower its CR, and will give him longer utility time, and will give a lot of bases for polts as he regains power...

It is not such a bad idea right?....
#12

rotipher

Oct 23, 2007 13:44:08
Ah, okay, so it's a curse you're looking for, not just making the villain different. Gotcha!

In that case, I'd suggest you choose something that's not mainly a question of game mechanics, so it will be immediately distinguishable as an effect of his curse. If you simply strip away a bunch of vampire lord powers, that's not going to be all that obvious to the players: reduced hp, abilities or DR don't have any meaning in-character, and if he can't tolerate daylight anymore, PCs may never realize he's being nocturnal out of necessity rather than preference. Depending on how willing you are to have their PCs fight this guy directly, it may take a half-dozen or more encounters before the players start to suspect their old adversary's abilities have been weakened, at all!

Instead, you might consider giving him some all-new trait that makes his existence an unliving hell ... one that the PCs will be able to observe first-hand, and which the villain experiences as a more concrete, personal form of suffering than, "Darn it, I've lost 4 points off my Turn Resistance!" For example, if this vampire lord has always relied on human minions to do his dirty work and spy upon the living, he may find himself succumbing to uncontrollable fits of bloodlust whenever he's alone with one of his human agents, forced to kill the very lackeys he depends on to accumulate power. If he's trying to buff up his abilities as a vampire ad infinitum, he might find that every time he uses those special abilities (your choice which ones), he becomes exhausted and has to return to his coffin to rest, day or night.