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#1
hrt
Oct 26, 2007 10:25:22 Or "The thread where everyone talks about bringing back your favorite dead SKs".

Here are my ideas, which I do plan to use:

Kalak: I see him as a venger trapped in undertyr. He wanders the depths, completely out of his mind. His driving goal, when he's lucid enough to remember who he is, is the deaths of Rikus and Tithian.

Kalid-Ma: I imagine the orbs of Kalid-Ma being gathered together in Kaliday, reawakening his mind. If that happened, he would then use his thrall to gather desert nomads and slave tribes to rebuild the city, then send out a call for templars. You would see former black cassocks, moon priests, and servants of Badna in his new templarate. Then, he would turn to the finding of a new body.

Abalach-Re and Tectuktitlay can remain dead.
#2
Sysane
Oct 26, 2007 10:54:51
Abalach-Re and Tectuktitlay can remain dead.

I was always partial to the idea that Azutek was the clone son of Tectuktitlay. Leaves a lot of possibilities for the DM to explore. It also lends some creditability to Paizo's take on DS in that Azutek becomes a dragon in the future.
#3
cnahumck
Oct 26, 2007 11:16:51 I like Borys as a Wraith myself
#4
Sysane
Oct 26, 2007 11:38:20
I like Borys as a Wraith myself

That also has a lot of great possibilities.
#5
tarlyn_veladorn
Oct 26, 2007 14:01:58 Undead Dragons...

Dregoth will be upset....

However, a Wraith Borys challenging Dregoth... That would be awesome!!!

But who is the one that is bringing then back from the dead???
What's his purpose?

What is your mission??
What is your favorite color?? (aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh!!!!!)

Tarlyn Veladorn and The Quest for the Holy Grail
#6
--agares--
Oct 26, 2007 18:36:07 Here there's a nice idea about Borys' comeback from the dead

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/2549/borys.htm

Even I like the idea of Azutek being a clone of the true King of Draj.

Abalach-Re can remain dead, because the even more chaotic Raam is nice, and the Dray "prophets" about "Dregoth the savior" are a cool idea for me.

Another idea is if Azutek frees himself from the control of the Drajan Psions and seek to become a true Sorcerer King like Tithian... And he ends up finding the Orbs of Kalid Ma...
#7
xlorepdarkhelm_dup
Oct 26, 2007 19:28:01 I personally like the numbers of surviving SK's exactly how it is, I don't need more killed, nor do I need any of them coming back from the dead.
#8
phoenix_m
Oct 26, 2007 23:33:36
Here there's a nice idea about Borys' comeback from the dead

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/2549/borys.htm

I was going to say the same thing Agares. The Champions may not have been the brightest people, but after one of them fell I'm sure the others would have taken precautions. That would explain - Why we had two talking heads (Sacha and Wyan) in the books. Why Borys didn't flat out kill Daskinor. Why Hamanu took so much of a personal interest in the death of Sielba. Alive and contained Daskinor, Sacha and Wyan were no longer threats. If they had been killed they could pop-up again some time in the future to raise more problems. Abalach-Re's killing of Dregoth may have been one of those cases akin to Hamanu and Sielba, Abalach-Re forgot to take into account the loyalty of Dregoth's followers.

The apparent death of Abalach-Re, Borys and Kalak were at the impulsive hand of those without proper knowledge of such things. Rajaat's killing of Tectuktitlay may have given him the insight not to kill Andropinis, knowing he would eventually be able to return as well. The only person left to account for is Kalid-Ma, who had become too powerful, too quickly for the others to simply imprison him/her - on the bright side they may have also known that with the death of Kalid-Ma, the Second Dragon threat, Kalid-Ma would lose the new abilities gained from the transformation.
#9
--agares--
Oct 27, 2007 6:46:57
Rajaat's killing of Tectuktitlay may have given him the insight not to kill Andropinis, knowing he would eventually be able to return as well.

Very interesting point. Reading this I also remembered that in the Crerulean Storm Novel, after the killing of Tectuktitlay and the imprisonment of Andropinis, Rajaat said to Nibenay "For you, a thousand years of torment."

So, it seems that the First Sorcerer didn't want to kill him, maybe to avoid the problem of the Shadow King's returns from the grave.

Also, in Valley of Dust and Fire, is said that the Dragon "must have many contingency spells, andpossibly clones, to ensure its survival. The realm of psionic enchantment opens up still more amazing possibilities."

In 3rd ediction term, we can consider the Contingent Resurrection Epic spell.

Actually I simply prefer to play about 15-20 years before the Prism Pentad, so I total avoid the problem of revining dead SK :P
#10
Pennarin
Oct 27, 2007 10:27:00 Euh, I would say none of that is the case.

Rajaat intended to kill some, torture others, imprison a few. The imprisonned ones would not have been able to flee or access Athas during their stay, Rajaat fully intending to be there to prevent them.

What happened to Rajaat prevented further killing, and allowed Andropinis to find a way to reach Athas from the Black.
#11
dunsel
Oct 29, 2007 7:49:41
Undead Dragons...

Dregoth will be upset....

However, a Wraith Borys challenging Dregoth... That would be awesome!!!

But who is the one that is bringing then back from the dead???
What's his purpose?

What is your mission??
What is your favorite color?? (aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh!!!!!)

Tarlyn Veladorn and The Quest for the Holy Grail

Excellent Monty Python reference. :D
#12
dracochapel
Oct 31, 2007 6:57:08 What Rajaat kills stays dead.
im sure he intended to kill all of them - eventually.
I enjoyed the prism pentad, i liked how the movers and shakers died (unlike certain other d&d realms where certain gandalf rip-offs never die).
the problem was after half the SK's died what was left?
And i dont think any of them should come back. and i think dregoth was nearly the worst thing in Dark Sun.
#13
lordinsane
Oct 31, 2007 14:20:53
I enjoyed the prism pentad, i liked how the movers and shakers died (unlike certain other d&d realms where certain gandalf rip-offs never die).

If you are referring to FR, they did kill of several movers and shakers both in the Time of Troubles, and in the events that set the scene for the event that will motivate the change to how magic works.
#14
elondir
Oct 31, 2007 15:27:42 Since they're not outsiders or undead (except Dregoth), it should be fairly easy to cast resurrection on them, if you can recover some small portion of their bodies. Problem solved.
#15
xlorepdarkhelm_dup
Oct 31, 2007 15:56:02
Since they're not outsiders or undead (except Dregoth), it should be fairly easy to cast resurrection on them, if you can recover some small portion of their bodies. Problem solved.

Seems like an attempt at over-simplification.
#16
phoenix_m
Oct 31, 2007 23:18:14 Well it is the RaW.
#17
xlorepdarkhelm_dup
Nov 05, 2007 13:16:15
Well it is the RaW.

I take it you mean "Rules as Written"? Because in that case, as in others, the rules fail. The rules are an abstraction/simplification of mechanics anyway, and are used to help define a guideline for the game. Turning them around to then define the setting around those abstractions is somewhat a failure, because the rules don't cover everything, they are, by necessity, an abstraction.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 hrt Oct 26, 2007 10:25:22	Or "The thread where everyone talks about bringing back your favorite dead SKs". Here are my ideas, which I do plan to use: Kalak: I see him as a venger trapped in undertyr. He wanders the depths, completely out of his mind. His driving goal, when he's lucid enough to remember who he is, is the deaths of Rikus and Tithian. Kalid-Ma: I imagine the orbs of Kalid-Ma being gathered together in Kaliday, reawakening his mind. If that happened, he would then use his thrall to gather desert nomads and slave tribes to rebuild the city, then send out a call for templars. You would see former black cassocks, moon priests, and servants of Badna in his new templarate. Then, he would turn to the finding of a new body. Abalach-Re and Tectuktitlay can remain dead.
#2 Sysane Oct 26, 2007 10:54:51	Abalach-Re and Tectuktitlay can remain dead. I was always partial to the idea that Azutek was the clone son of Tectuktitlay. Leaves a lot of possibilities for the DM to explore. It also lends some creditability to Paizo's take on DS in that Azutek becomes a dragon in the future.
#3 cnahumck Oct 26, 2007 11:16:51	I like Borys as a Wraith myself
#4 Sysane Oct 26, 2007 11:38:20	I like Borys as a Wraith myself That also has a lot of great possibilities.
#5 tarlyn_veladorn Oct 26, 2007 14:01:58	Undead Dragons... Dregoth will be upset.... However, a Wraith Borys challenging Dregoth... That would be awesome!!! But who is the one that is bringing then back from the dead??? What's his purpose? What is your mission?? What is your favorite color?? (aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh!!!!!) Tarlyn Veladorn and The Quest for the Holy Grail
#6 --agares-- Oct 26, 2007 18:36:07	Here there's a nice idea about Borys' comeback from the dead http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/2549/borys.htm Even I like the idea of Azutek being a clone of the true King of Draj. Abalach-Re can remain dead, because the even more chaotic Raam is nice, and the Dray "prophets" about "Dregoth the savior" are a cool idea for me. Another idea is if Azutek frees himself from the control of the Drajan Psions and seek to become a true Sorcerer King like Tithian... And he ends up finding the Orbs of Kalid Ma...
#7 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Oct 26, 2007 19:28:01	I personally like the numbers of surviving SK's exactly how it is, I don't need more killed, nor do I need any of them coming back from the dead.
#8 phoenix_m Oct 26, 2007 23:33:36	Here there's a nice idea about Borys' comeback from the dead http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/2549/borys.htm I was going to say the same thing Agares. The Champions may not have been the brightest people, but after one of them fell I'm sure the others would have taken precautions. That would explain - Why we had two talking heads (Sacha and Wyan) in the books. Why Borys didn't flat out kill Daskinor. Why Hamanu took so much of a personal interest in the death of Sielba. Alive and contained Daskinor, Sacha and Wyan were no longer threats. If they had been killed they could pop-up again some time in the future to raise more problems. Abalach-Re's killing of Dregoth may have been one of those cases akin to Hamanu and Sielba, Abalach-Re forgot to take into account the loyalty of Dregoth's followers. The apparent death of Abalach-Re, Borys and Kalak were at the impulsive hand of those without proper knowledge of such things. Rajaat's killing of Tectuktitlay may have given him the insight not to kill Andropinis, knowing he would eventually be able to return as well. The only person left to account for is Kalid-Ma, who had become too powerful, too quickly for the others to simply imprison him/her - on the bright side they may have also known that with the death of Kalid-Ma, the Second Dragon threat, Kalid-Ma would lose the new abilities gained from the transformation.
#9 --agares-- Oct 27, 2007 6:46:57	Rajaat's killing of Tectuktitlay may have given him the insight not to kill Andropinis, knowing he would eventually be able to return as well. Very interesting point. Reading this I also remembered that in the Crerulean Storm Novel, after the killing of Tectuktitlay and the imprisonment of Andropinis, Rajaat said to Nibenay "For you, a thousand years of torment." So, it seems that the First Sorcerer didn't want to kill him, maybe to avoid the problem of the Shadow King's returns from the grave. Also, in Valley of Dust and Fire, is said that the Dragon "must have many contingency spells, andpossibly clones, to ensure its survival. The realm of psionic enchantment opens up still more amazing possibilities." In 3rd ediction term, we can consider the Contingent Resurrection Epic spell. Actually I simply prefer to play about 15-20 years before the Prism Pentad, so I total avoid the problem of revining dead SK :P
#10 Pennarin Oct 27, 2007 10:27:00	Euh, I would say none of that is the case. Rajaat intended to kill some, torture others, imprison a few. The imprisonned ones would not have been able to flee or access Athas during their stay, Rajaat fully intending to be there to prevent them. What happened to Rajaat prevented further killing, and allowed Andropinis to find a way to reach Athas from the Black.
#11 dunsel Oct 29, 2007 7:49:41	Undead Dragons... Dregoth will be upset.... However, a Wraith Borys challenging Dregoth... That would be awesome!!! But who is the one that is bringing then back from the dead??? What's his purpose? What is your mission?? What is your favorite color?? (aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh!!!!!) Tarlyn Veladorn and The Quest for the Holy Grail Excellent Monty Python reference. :D
#12 dracochapel Oct 31, 2007 6:57:08	What Rajaat kills stays dead. im sure he intended to kill all of them - eventually. I enjoyed the prism pentad, i liked how the movers and shakers died (unlike certain other d&d realms where certain gandalf rip-offs never die). the problem was after half the SK's died what was left? And i dont think any of them should come back. and i think dregoth was nearly the worst thing in Dark Sun.
#13 lordinsane Oct 31, 2007 14:20:53	I enjoyed the prism pentad, i liked how the movers and shakers died (unlike certain other d&d realms where certain gandalf rip-offs never die). If you are referring to FR, they did kill of several movers and shakers both in the Time of Troubles, and in the events that set the scene for the event that will motivate the change to how magic works.
#14 elondir Oct 31, 2007 15:27:42	Since they're not outsiders or undead (except Dregoth), it should be fairly easy to cast resurrection on them, if you can recover some small portion of their bodies. Problem solved.
#15 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Oct 31, 2007 15:56:02	Since they're not outsiders or undead (except Dregoth), it should be fairly easy to cast resurrection on them, if you can recover some small portion of their bodies. Problem solved. Seems like an attempt at over-simplification.
#16 phoenix_m Oct 31, 2007 23:18:14	Well it is the RaW.
#17 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Nov 05, 2007 13:16:15	Well it is the RaW. I take it you mean "Rules as Written"? Because in that case, as in others, the rules fail. The rules are an abstraction/simplification of mechanics anyway, and are used to help define a guideline for the game. Turning them around to then define the setting around those abstractions is somewhat a failure, because the rules don't cover everything, they are, by necessity, an abstraction.