Maztica and Red Steel.

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#1

Luis_Carlos

Nov 10, 2007 8:05:05
I wonder about a couple "core" books like Oriental Adventures but for different progres or technology level.

One would be style like Maztica, Dark Sun or Hryborean universe (Conan) where there is low level of magic, and heavy armours are rares. (Some class like fighter or paladin could having optional levels if they lose feat of heavy armour proficiency).

Other would be like the AD&D scoucerbook A Mighty Fortress from TSR (XVII-XVIII centuy) where the gunpowder weapons have displaces the knigths armour and the batlle axes. The world of Swashbucklers like el Zorro, The Scarlet Pimpernel, the three musketeers, Dick Turpin.... Ravenloft setting too can being a good example of setting.

Trouble? The possible "crossovers" between different civilations, for example in the trilogy of novel about Maztica by Douglas Niles. And what if the Six Gun or Gatling gunis introduced in the campaign? I suppose with the new rules about points like the miniatures game...

* From wikipedia...

North of Maztica is the continent of Anchorome. South of it (and separated by a strait) lies an unknown continent very close to mythical sub-saharan Africa
#2

Ghendar

Nov 13, 2007 12:15:31
Maztica and Reed Steel

Reed Steel. What an awesome radio name. :P
#3

havard

Nov 14, 2007 11:58:15
I think they should bring back Red Steel. Yeah!

Havard
#4

Luis_Carlos

Nov 14, 2007 15:03:19
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savage_Coast

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I´m sorry the mistake.
#5

havard

Nov 14, 2007 15:14:34
I´m sorry the mistake.

What mistake?

Havard
#6

Luis_Carlos

Nov 15, 2007 2:24:08
I wrote Redd Steel in the title, but I mean Red Steel, (too named Savage Coast), a setting from Mystara world. It was a campaing of "capa y espada" (=cloak and sword), a swashbuckling-themed subgenere of historical novel based in XVI-XVIII centrys. I don´t know how editing the litle.
#7

Ghendar

Nov 15, 2007 5:36:36
I´m sorry the mistake.

No need to apologize. it's all good. :D

Yes, by the way, bring back Red Steel
#8

mdock2003

Dec 22, 2007 11:48:41
If they would bring back Maztica, I would be the 4e spokes person and make it my personal duty to convert everyone! I would prefer it as a stand alone or drop in setting if that is possible, but just bring it back. Someone on another thread had the great idea of doing a multi setting book for revisions of older stuff like Maztica. Have 3-4 settings per book with basic info to run the setting. That way they could release more setting and put out fewer setting books. The more popular settings could even have support material released online.
Online is another option. Release 4e pdf mini settings for the old material and let people buy them that way.
If WotC doesn't like those ideas how about letting the players choose? Each year do an online poll for which setting should be revised and have the winner released each year at Gen Con. That way only the most popular settings get released and players will feel like that have some control. This may decrease some of the resentment people have been expressing about 4e. Let the people who play the games have a little bit of say so about what they want to play.
I like the multi-setting book idea, but as long Maztica returns, I'd be happy.
#9

valdrax

Dec 22, 2007 19:06:33
I wrote Redd Steel in the title, but I mean Red Steel, (too named Savage Coast), a setting from Mystara world. It was a campaing of "capa y espada" (=cloak and sword), a swashbuckling-themed subgenere of historical novel based in XVI-XVIII centrys. I don´t know how editing the litle.

Go to the top post in the thread which you made. Click on the edit button. Click on the "Go to Advanced" button. Change the title in the blank above the message field. Save.
#10

lord_karsus

Dec 25, 2007 5:20:36
I like the multi-setting book idea, but as long Maztica returns, I'd be happy.

-It's not going to, don't get your hopes up. Best there'll be, I'd imagine, would be mentions in FR sourcebooks. Maztica was originally canned because the setting itself wasn't making enough money for TSR/WotC to justify it's continued existence. While after ten years or so, there is a new fanbase out there, I doubt with Eberron, and all of their other campaign settings, WotC would give Maztica (as it's own setting) another chance.
#11

mdock2003

Dec 26, 2007 8:30:10
Oh I know it is a lost cause Karsus, but it would be nice if they did something like Paizo's classic campaign stuff in Dragon. Only they could release it as little mini settings in the multi-setting books that could be dropped in to any world. Or just release small pdfs of the various classic settings. Not a major release, just a little $5-$10 pdf with a setting overview, and some stats.
I can hope can't I?
:D
#12

lord_karsus

Dec 26, 2007 8:33:10
Oh I know it is a lost cause Karsus, but it would be nice if they did something like Paizo's classic campaign stuff in Dragon.

-In little bits like that (articles, mentions, etc.), I can see Maztica living. Not as a 4e sourcebook, though.

I can hope can't I?
:D

-Sure, sure. While we're at it, let's hope that, if they do, they make Maztica more Maztica, not Latin America.
#13

mdock2003

Dec 27, 2007 9:35:32
"While we're at it, let's hope that, if they do, they make Maztica more Maztica, not Latin America"

I'll give you that one. They did tend to make it a little too "real world". It ended up being the DM's job to make it more fantasy, which kind of stunk, but I still like the setting.
As a stand alone setting Maztica doesn't have a snow balls chance of making it, which is why I like the small pdf, or multi-setting book idea. If they put out mini/mulit setting books, I would definitely buy that. Then again I'd be happy with more dragon articles, just to expand the setting that paizo started.
#14

lord_karsus

Dec 27, 2007 13:00:05
Then again I'd be happy with more dragon articles, just to expand the setting that paizo started.

-That works. It'd be nice to see a "Featured Campaign" every month, with a few supporting articles. January is Planescape, February is Kara-Tur, March is Maztica, April is Spelljammer, etc.
#15

mdock2003

Dec 27, 2007 21:47:46
-That works. It'd be nice to see a "Featured Campaign" every month, with a few supporting articles. January is Planescape, February is Kara-Tur, March is Maztica, April is Spelljammer, etc.

Awesome idea. Hope someone at Wotc is listening.
#16

lord_karsus

Dec 27, 2007 21:59:48
Awesome idea. Hope someone at Wotc is listening.

-Do pigs fly? ;)
#17

havard

Dec 28, 2007 19:06:34
No need to apologize. it's all good. :D

Yes, by the way, bring back Red Steel

Now we're talking!

I actually think many elements of the RS setting would work better under 3E or 4E than they did under the 2e rules, particularly the Red Curse, which has a lot of potential, but needs to be reworked a bit to be made more fun

Havard
#18

raptor112

Jan 22, 2008 19:31:56
I had heard a rumor that they were thinking about releaseing one setting per year with only certain settings (i.e. Forgotten realms and Ebberron) geting books beyond a main campain setting book (and maybe one or two more). I don't know how true it is (and don't ask me where I heard it, it was awhile ago and I don't remember the source)
#19

lord_karsus

Feb 16, 2008 10:51:23
-Oh, because it's relevant to this thread, just thought I'd mention that Maztica is, well...gone.
#20

Twiggly_the_Gnome

Feb 16, 2008 16:21:47
-Oh, because it's relevant to this thread, just thought I'd mention that Maztica is, well...gone.

Across the Trackless Sea, an entire continent of the lost realm reappeared (called Returned Abeir) subsuming the continent of Maztica.

sub·sume
–verb (used with object), -sumed, -sum·ing.
1. to consider or include (an idea, term, proposition, etc.) as part of a more comprehensive one.


Not gone, but undoubtedly greatly changed by the addition of it's new neighbors.
#21

eldritch_lord

Feb 16, 2008 19:04:15
sub·sume
–verb (used with object), -sumed, -sum·ing.
1. to consider or include (an idea, term, proposition, etc.) as part of a more comprehensive one.


Not gone, but undoubtedly greatly changed by the addition of it's new neighbors.

Subsume also (colloquially speaking) means to twist, warp, or otherwise change something to fit into an overarching theme, pattern, etc., usually with the implication that the original no longer exists on its own. Hopefully that's not what the devs meant, but there's a chance that Abeir "killed Maztica and took its stuff."
#22

Twiggly_the_Gnome

Feb 17, 2008 12:33:45
...but there's a chance that Abeir "killed Maztica and took its stuff."

In some ways, I wouldn't have a problem with that. I think Hishna pact tiefling warlocks and dragonborn fighters with the Eagle Knight paragon path would be pretty cool.
#23

eldritch_lord

Feb 18, 2008 17:47:44
In some ways, I wouldn't have a problem with that. I think Hishna pact tiefling warlocks and dragonborn fighters with the Eagle Knight paragon path would be pretty cool.

Ooh, that would be interesting....
#24

spoogemonkey

Mar 10, 2008 17:05:06
teenage-mutant-ninja-tortles ...... ARISE!!!!
#25

havard

Mar 11, 2008 14:56:44
teenage-mutant-ninja-tortles ...... ARISE!!!!

Ah, Tortles! The coolest race evah!

Havard
#26

Mmaranda

Mar 12, 2008 16:34:07
If they would bring back Maztica, I would be the 4e spokes person and make it my personal duty to convert everyone! I would prefer it as a stand alone or drop in setting if that is possible, but just bring it back. Someone on another thread had the great idea of doing a multi setting book for revisions of older stuff like Maztica. Have 3-4 settings per book with basic info to run the setting. That way they could release more setting and put out fewer setting books. The more popular settings could even have support material released online.
Online is another option. Release 4e pdf mini settings for the old material and let people buy them that way.
If WotC doesn't like those ideas how about letting the players choose? Each year do an online poll for which setting should be revised and have the winner released each year at Gen Con. That way only the most popular settings get released and players will feel like that have some control. This may decrease some of the resentment people have been expressing about 4e. Let the people who play the games have a little bit of say so about what they want to play.
I like the multi-setting book idea, but as long Maztica returns, I'd be happy.

An off hand comment from Rob Hiensoo at DDXP leads me to believe that Maztica as part of the realms will not be explored for some time if at all and when it is it will be done very differently from before. I don't know if that means as a setting unto itself, something with less colonial overtones, or that it is a something that will be completely re-imagined.
#27

mdock2003

Mar 13, 2008 17:50:54
I hope it is reimagined and re-released. I would like to see it as a more stand alone setting instead of just being a part of a setting.
#28

havard

Mar 14, 2008 10:59:41
I hope it is reimagined and re-released. I would like to see it as a more stand alone setting instead of just being a part of a setting.

If you are talking about Maztica then I agree. Red Steel OTOH needs to be part of Mystara

Havard