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Thread : If Preserve and Permanency are cast on an item....
Started at 10-28-03 04:38 PM by lhmloa
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[Post 1]
Author : lhmloa
Date : 10-28-03 04:38 PM
Thread Title : If Preserve and Permanency are cast on an item....

....is that item considered a magic item?  If so, would it count against the paladin's magic item total?

The scenerio is as follows.  A paladin's mom gave him a flower before she died.  The party magic-user cast Preserve on it (and he's thinking of paying for a Permanency spell to be cast on it).  Would this count against his 4 misc. magic items?


Thanks for the help.


(edited for spelling)

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[Post 2]
Author : jasper
Date : 10-28-03 04:47 PM

nice dm no nice flavor.
icky nasty dm Yes but bonus xp if you find creative ways to use it.

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[Post 3]
Author : Master Harper
Date : 10-28-03 06:31 PM

I don't think so. While the flower may be preserved by magic, it doesn't hold any useful magic ability that might aid the paladin, except the power of loving memories and sentiment.
I would say it doesn't count against his item limit.

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[Post 4]
Author : dogstar
Date : 10-29-03 11:00 AM

No it doesn't - Magic items are not items with permancy cast on them (which costs 1 Con loss for most spells).  Why not just press the flower?

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[Post 5]
Author : lhmloa
Date : 10-29-03 12:39 PM

Thanks for the replies.  I didn't think it would, and wasn't going to count it, but a player brought up the old "radiating a magical aura" thing.  So I was looking for additional opinions.

It's not my character, so I'm not sure why he wouldn't just press it.

Anyway, here's the response I got from the Sage:

"I don't recommend counting permanent spell effect on a paladin's person as "magic items."

Items bearing permanent effects are a gray area, but I'd exclude items that have no intrinsic value or game utility. A preserved flower from mom doesn't qualify as a magic item. A preserved medusa's head the paladin can use to petrify enemies (presuming that your DM allows such a thing) definitely does."


Thanks again for all the help.

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