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#1 Cthulhudrew Apr 23, 2008 3:19:50	Was fiddling around with Photoshop again today, and recalled the discussion of that Sands of Fate Caldwell cover (or whatever it was called) that looked like it could have been a Gaz. Haven't gotten to that one yet, but here's one I did: Much of the detail of the underlying map got lost, but with the size of the image, it was kind of inevitable. I might do another go, shrinking and/or changing the underlying map boundaries, so they show up better. In any case, I felt that Caldwell painting (Jewels of Elvish) was the most suitable to Wendar. Or maybe it might fit Denagoth better...
#2 Multizar Apr 23, 2008 5:13:25	Looks Good! It has the feel of the other gazetteer covers. Good Job :D
#3 wilhelm_ Apr 23, 2008 7:41:12	Was fiddling around with Photoshop again today, and recalled the discussion of that Sands of Fate Caldwell cover (or whatever it was called) that looked like it could have been a Gaz. Red Sands? Haven't gotten to that one yet, but here's one I did: Great work, Andrew!!! :D
#4 Hugin Apr 23, 2008 10:01:59	Nice looking cover! Certainly has a Wendar feel to it.
#5 hausman Apr 23, 2008 13:11:18	Excellent work Cthulhudrew!! there is a long time that I was thinking that a new one artwork cover for Wendar and Denagoth could be made. this artwork is perfect to Wendar due to jewel (elvenstar) and the evil shadow that it permeates the borders of the kingdom. I had thought before about two illustrations for the Wendar Artcover (Tim Hildebrandt) what did one reflect the magic elvish nature of the place, the other because it remember a lot the magic nature of the forests of the kingdom and because the old man in the illustration reminds me Bensarian Giving a present Gylharen with something magic (maybe the elvenstar?)
#6 hausman Apr 23, 2008 13:18:48	For Artwork of Denagoth.. I was thinking about this other illustration of Tim Hildebrandt because it passes me the fear that Gereth Minar should cause in the visitors (and also the fog that permeates the tower, as described in module - X11).
#7 havard Apr 23, 2008 13:27:45	Nice one Cthulhudrew! I think I agree with your comment that the cover might be better for Denagoth. I was really sold by the Wendar cover used in the Italian Demography book which used the second image posted by Hausman in this thread. I also like other images used in that booklet for countries which didn't previously have an individual gazetteer. Hausman, thanks for sharing those Hildebrandt images, I agree that they are really nice and definately appropriate for Mystara. Cthulhudrew again, I notice that the thread says "Covers", does that mean you have more in store? Havard
#8 hausman Apr 23, 2008 13:40:37	Maybe Cthulhudrew can help me to put some images of Stephen Fabian (original Artwork GAZ not used yet) for mine personal version of FGAZ 1 (edited by OldDawg ) and to also put some artworks of Rafael Ramos (my friend) in an updated version. I was also thinking about extend some topics of FGAZ - Wendar with some illustration and map of Wendar City (with description) and some other details (Anorion, Kevar.... illustration of NPCS) unhappily I neither know how to edit a file pdf nor to insert or to put images...could anybody help? :P this is one of Stephen Fabian's arts (of many) that i found and that could be useful in GAZ:
#9 olddawg Apr 23, 2008 15:01:53	If I were selecting covers, I think Andrew's best goes with Ghyr. Put a small red filter over the gem, and its Leehra peering into the Heartstone to reveal her future husband. It could also work with the Western Alliance. While they are lovely pictures, I don't really see the Hildebrandt work capturing either Wendar or Denagoth as presented in either X11, PWA, or GazF. The menacing one could work for Shraek in the Alphatian kingdom of Blackheart. But feel free to offer other mock-ups on the gaz's thus far, or candidates for Leeha, Alpha, Ransarn, the Wrymsteeth, or other places. -OldDawg
#10 hausman Apr 23, 2008 16:22:53	Thank you, for the gratitudes Havard! I appreciate the opinion of OldDAwg on Blackhearth (Alphatia) on the third illustration. As I had statement, it is treated of a matter point of view that I have on wendar in its magic aspect that I could not feel in FGAZ-1 (that was an excellent work). however the lack of illustrations and maps inconvenience me and I intended to do something regarding that (wendar city, map, description etc). Does OldDawg, remind when you passed me some explanations of as you wanted Western Alegiance's Artcover? (a friendly giant beside a human looking at a construction to the bottom? ) I thought this illustration was very similar with the one that you sought ;)
#11 Cthulhudrew Apr 24, 2008 0:34:40	Nice one Cthulhudrew! I think I agree with your comment that the cover might be better for Denagoth. I was really sold by the Wendar cover used in the Italian Demography book which used the second image posted by Hausman in this thread. Yeah, I think those are probably more appropriate. I was just sticking with Caldwell images, to try for consistency with the existing Gaz's. Of course, I was only using the images he has on his site. There are tons of other Caldwell's out there that I could look over. Cthulhudrew again, I notice that the thread says "Covers", does that mean you have more in store? Probably. I've been trying to learn a lot more Photoshop these days, and that Red Sands (thanks Wilhelm!) cover is the one that really inspired things, so I'd like to at least do a cover with that one. Either Sind or the Isle of Dawn. Also, when looking over the Caldwell images, the cover for the Ravenloft module Ship of Horror really struck me as a good one to use for something (Sea of Dread related). Plus, the connection it already has with Mystara (via Meredoth) makes it ripe to be used.
#12 wilhelm_ Apr 24, 2008 2:53:42	I was just sticking with Caldwell images, to try for consistency with the existing Gaz's. The style of that one you picked (The Jewels of Elvish) also have a strong GAZ feel, especially placing the map behind of it, as you did. Even if you guys use another picture for Wendar and other FGAZ covers, I hope this one will be used as well ;) and that Red Sands (thanks Wilhelm!) cover is the one that really inspired things, so I'd like to at least do a cover with that one. Either Sind or the Isle of Dawn. Yes, this one is great indeed ;) Too bad it can't be somewhere that Shadows over Mystara adventure takes place, since all those regions have their own GAZ... Also, when looking over the Caldwell images, the cover for the Ravenloft module Ship of Horror really struck me as a good one to use for something (Sea of Dread related). Plus, the connection it already has with Mystara (via Meredoth) makes it ripe to be used. IMO, another great one is A Feast of Goblins, that would also only need the map behind of it. The problem would find a place where it fits... the traladaran City-States, pehaps? It would at least explain the vampire at the cover, and pehaps that goblin is actually a goatman
#13 Cthulhudrew Apr 24, 2008 7:02:44	IMO, another great one is A Feast of Goblins, that would also only need the map behind of it. The problem would find a place where it fits... the traladaran City-States, pehaps? That one definitely has a Red Steel/Savage Coast sort of vibe to it, at least in terms of the red. I'm inclined to agree with you, though I'm likewise not certain of the best spot for it. Probably the City-States, though- in particular, Nova Svoga or Zagora would seem most likely. The goblin fits in, in any case, due to the large population of goblins in Hule. Hmm. A Gaz for the City-States would be good. Slagovich and the others. I don't think any of them singular is big enough to warrant an individual Gaz, but collectively, probably. Good idea!
#14 wilhelm_ Apr 24, 2008 14:35:01	That one definitely has a Red Steel/Savage Coast sort of vibe to it, at least in terms of the red. Hehe I'm inclined to agree with you, though I'm likewise not certain of the best spot for it. Probably the City-States, though- in particular, Nova Svoga or Zagora would seem most likely. The goblin fits in, in any case, due to the large population of goblins in Hule. Indeed. I thought about the goatmen because they're somewhat unique to that region (or they should, anyway). Hmm. A Gaz for the City-States would be good. Slagovich and the others. I don't think any of them singular is big enough to warrant an individual Gaz, but collectively, probably. Indeed!
#15 havard Apr 25, 2008 7:27:14	I agree that Caldwell is the definite number one source to be exploited for this project. OTOH, I really like the style of Hildebrandt so he is a good alternative if we can't find Caldwell images that fit. For the FGaz series, I have to say I have really gotten fond of OldDawg's covers, so I hope this doesnt mean we won't be seeing more of those. Having multiple covers for the gazetteers just helps for visualization. Feast of Goblins was used in a Ravenloft Scenario called Feast of Goblyns, but using it for Slagowich and the City states is a great idea! Ship of Horrors might be used for a Great Bay of Norwold Gazetteer (since that's where Merdoth came from) or maybe Qeodhar? For those who havent checked out the Italian demography pdf yet do so. I like the alternative cover art presented there for Vestland, Ostland, Wendar, the Sea of Dread, Heldann and Sind. And I've printed out the map and put it on my bedroom wall. The labels are in Italian, but I figured they are actually in Thyatian... ;) Havard
#16 hausman Apr 25, 2008 10:42:33	I agree that Caldwell is the definite number one source to be exploited for this project. OTOH, I really like the style of Hildebrandt so he is a good alternative if we can't find Caldwell images that fit. For those who havent checked out the Italian demography pdf yet do so. I like the alternative cover art presented there for Vestland, Ostland, Wendar, the Sea of Dread, Heldann and Sind. Havard in fact. the Caldwell illustrations have been a tradition in old GAZ and they would be preference in an artwork choice. hildebrand is good and it could be seen as an option left if necessary I agree with Havard, especially the Sea of Dread and Sind "And I've printed out the map and put it on my bedroom wall. The labels are in Italian, but I figured they are actually in Thyatian... ;)" RS :D
#17 zendrolion Apr 27, 2008 12:41:16	For my "Mystaran Demography" project on the Italian MMB I used the second image posted by Hausman for Wendar. I chose the following for Ostland (cutting the left part with the dracolich), becouse its author was Caldwell and becouse I deemed it very much appropriate for Ostland: http://www.clydecaldwell.com/large_images/prophet_moonshae.html Vestland: http://www.aumania.it/fa/easley/095.jpg Sind: http://www.clydecaldwell.com/large_images/red_sands.html Sea of Dread: http://www.clydecaldwell.com/large_images/pirates.html Heldannic Territories: http://www.aumania.it/fa/parkinson/006.jpg And I was planning to use this for Denagoth: http://www.clydecaldwell.com/large_images/elsbeth.html The enchantress is perfect as priestess of Idris... I also vote for the first image posted by Ctulhudrew be the cover art of Ghyr!
#18 havard May 11, 2008 6:29:45	Here is another contender for Ghyr... Havard