* * * Wizards Community Thread * * * -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Thread : Basic D&D appreciation thread Started at 11-17-03 05:10 AM by spray paint affiliate Visit at http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=133715 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1] Author : spray paint affiliate Date : 11-17-03 05:10 AM Thread Title : Basic D&D appreciation thread http://www.dantiques.com/tsr/p1-2.jpg 1. Treasure Type by alphabetical code 2. Race as class 3. the font used in the rulebook (Souvenir Demi Light) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 2] Author : Redthorne Date : 11-17-03 10:36 AM Thread Title : wow Damn, that cover brings back some memories. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 3] Author : WSmith Date : 11-17-03 11:43 AM In my opinion, that version, the Moldvay edited - Otus Cover version, is the best version of D&D. Both the Basic and Expert rulebooks are all I need nowadays to play D&D. Granted, I am a lover of OAD&D (1st edition), but that Basic Set is very simple and easy to run. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 4] Author : diaglo Date : 11-17-03 01:24 PM it was okay. i liked the J Holmes version too. 2ed D&D and then it became 3ed D&D. but i still prefer OD&D(1974)...read my sig.:D -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 5] Author : spray paint affiliate Date : 11-19-03 04:50 AM oh yeah, number 4 coming up..... 4. Arguing with Runequest players about which "system" was better. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 6] Author : Yen-Lo-Wang Date : 11-22-03 12:03 AM I still have my basic set, much repaired and worn but still useable...and Runequest sucked a$$. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 7] Author : rathbaster Date : 11-26-03 07:41 PM Ah the memories. We tried to go back this summer but found our tastes were no longer in the basic system. Oh well. -Rath -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 8] Author : Kilted Avenger Date : 12-01-03 10:27 AM Thread Title : Keep on the Borderlands Classic hack and slash module. I recently fished it out to look at it....perhaps run it again, but the damn maps of the Keep and the wilderness are GONE!!! I'm SO bummed!!! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 9] Author : DevilKiller Date : 12-11-03 12:35 PM Yeah, one of my DMs is always complaining about 3e/3.5, so I told him that we should play Basic D&D. He didn't see the light though. 5. Keep on the Borderlands I wonder how many brave adventurers died in the Caves of Chaos, probably millions worldwide :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 10] Author : Sardan Date : 12-11-03 02:14 PM The Otus cover!! I can remember getting the Cook Expert set for Christmas - one of the best presents I ever had! I just wish there was a companion set to go with this and then I would have all I need. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 11] Author : sandskimmer Date : 12-11-03 09:11 PM I just wish there was a companion set to go with this and then I would have all I need. What about Master's and Immortal's sets? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 12] Author : Sardan Date : 12-13-03 06:01 AM Never had a character get to that kind of level so I don't think I need 'em. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 13] Author : Ripjak Date : 12-14-03 10:47 PM loved the old Basic Set. I came in on the Elmore set after my brother decided he didn't like it. Never got past the Companion levels but picked up a copy of the Masters set the other week from Ebay.com.au. The best part is that there is a 2nd hand store around the corner from here that has a whole stack of modules. :cloud9: Am trying to get my group to step back in time to have a game. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 14] Author : Jackolantern Date : 12-19-03 01:35 PM Thread Title : Best For me, the best version of D&D hands down. Simple, well written rules and nice Otus\Willingham artwork. :ayyyy!: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 15] Author : Jackolantern Date : 12-19-03 01:35 PM Thread Title : Best For me, the best version of D&D hands down. Simple, well written rules and nice Otus\Willingham artwork. :ayyyy!: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 16] Author : Omote Date : 12-22-03 09:14 PM One of the best D&D products ever produced (IMO) has to be the RULES CYCLOPEDIA!!! All the rules you could ever need, PHB, DMG, and MM all in one fine volume. IMO the true BASIC D&D, maybe not the first, but the best of BASIC D&D. Remember the old RED BOX SET... classic *tearing up* good times, good times. .......................Omote -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 17] Author : Ral of Tyr Date : 12-23-03 02:06 AM Today I was just thinking how good of a game basic D&D was. It was not bogged down by rules like AD&D and above. The DM was free to decided his player's fate with out consulting a rule or rolling on a chart. It seemed more attuned to role playing instead of roll playing. I have the red box, the blue box and the green box. I know, they are reprints, but they are still good! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 18] Author : migo Date : 12-23-03 11:00 AM A friend of mine who knew I liked D&D gave me his books that he didn't use. They just covered levels 1-3. They were the red covered ones with the fighter on the cover doing some sort of "dodge" move from a single horned Red Dragon. "Read this book first" and "Read this book next". What was the official term for them? This was 8 years ago by the way. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 19] Author : ironfang Date : 12-23-03 11:47 AM I have all the original box sets. Red, green, blue, black and the gold box (immortal set). Yeah, those where good, fun times. I sometimes miss the simplicity of it all. Ironfang -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 20] Author : migo Date : 12-23-03 01:43 PM Yeah, fun was what it was about back then. Which meant simplicity. I have a theory that each iteration of D&D was a formalisation of house rules. Well up to 2nd Edition. Players Option was obviously an attempt to appeal to people who were moving over to point based systems like GURPS. D&D 3rd Ed was obviously constructed not developed, I think that's part of it's problem. D&D was elegant because it just happened, and AD&D 1st and 2nd Edition were simply an evolution. Is there anyone else who wishes 3rd Edition was an upgrade of 2nd Ed + Players Option? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 21] Author : Zaxon D'Mir Date : 12-23-03 10:22 PM Right here Migo! There's so much in 3e that's unneccessary. It's damn overkill! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 22] Author : migo Date : 12-24-03 12:09 AM It seems from the reviews I'm reading that Hackmaster is AD&D + Players Option in one of sorts. Can anyone who's played Hackmaster comment on this? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 23] Author : Greenhat Date : 12-24-03 12:53 AM I just interduced my step son to D&D. I'm using the white box rules, the original chainmail and the supplements. (Greyhawk, Blackmoor, Eldritch Wizardry and Gods and Demi Gods) To heck with 3.5 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 24] Author : theDwarf Date : 12-26-03 02:09 PM Originally posted by migo It seems from the reviews I'm reading that Hackmaster is AD&D + Players Option in one of sorts. Can anyone who's played Hackmaster comment on this? IMHO it is more AD&D 1st Ed with the best stuff from 2e and PO added in. What makes it a bit like PO is the BP system for purchasing Skills and Talents (as well as being able to boost stats with them to qualify for classes more easily). Hope that helps :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 25] Author : WSmith Date : 12-26-03 02:50 PM Originally posted by migo They just covered levels 1-3. They were the red covered ones with the fighter on the cover doing some sort of "dodge" move from a single horned Red Dragon. "Read this book first" and "Read this book next". What was the official term for them? This was 8 years ago by the way. Those are the called the Mentzer Basic set, because it was edited by Frank Mentzer. That set should have to two books, one for eht players, and one for the DM. Now, for a pure newbie, that set is very good, cause of the "choose your own adventure" style it is written in. For a more experienced D&Dphile, it might be a little more "challenging" to put it nicely, than the Moldvay edited basic set shown above cause the rules are scatted across the two rulebooks in various places. You might see that whole line refered to as BECM, which is short for Basic / Expert / Companion / Master. The Rules Cyclopedia is a compenidum of those products with a smidgen of the Immortals and a sprinkle of the Gazateers. Hackmaster. HM has a mixed opinion. Seems people either love it or hate it, with no middle ground, (ironicly enough, I tend to think it is ok cause it resembels old AD&D, and d20 D&D is not for me to put it nicely, but am not turned on cause of the Kodt theme. ;) ) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 26] Author : migo Date : 12-26-03 04:21 PM My determination was that it was more "Useless" as I already had the 2nd Ed PHB, DMG and MM when I got it :) It looked interesting though. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 27] Author : ElFenrir Date : 01-03-04 12:16 PM I love the old set. I agree with the Rules Cyclopedia being a great piece of work released! It's so hard to find basic players anymore, though. Darn it, I just want to play a "Magic-User" again. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 28] Author : apok-switch Date : 01-04-04 12:52 AM Ah, the memories. That set was my introduction to the fantastic world of D&D. Even though I loved it, though, it seemed kind of goofy. Within a few months, I got the 1st edition AD&D PHB. The beginning of an era! The First edition AD&D books are still the undisputed kings of anything D&D related published. Remember the first prints of the Deities and Demigods with the Cthulu mythos before Chasiom forced TSR to pull them? I have three copies in mint condition, and sold one for a lot of change at a convention once. Oh, yes, 1st ed. AD&D will always mean endless summers of all night gaming, and a major part of my childhood in general. In my opinion, (not to mention the opinion of most people I know who played 1st ed. for any significant length of time) 2nd edition was complete unfiltered crap! It was just plain......useless. I was so glad to see it go. (I know...I'm ready to dodge many tomatos I know will be thrown at me over that one.) I reluctantly tried out 3rd and am now sold. I actually liked it and am running a campaign now. Will probably get the 3.5 books eventually. In my heart, though, and in my head, I will always be ready to start up a 1st edition campaign again. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 29] Author : apok-switch Date : 01-04-04 12:52 AM Ah, the memories. That set was my introduction to the fantastic world of D&D. Even though I loved it, though, it seemed kind of goofy. Within a few months, I got the 1st edition AD&D PHB. The beginning of an era! The First edition AD&D books are still the undisputed kings of anything D&D related published. Remember the first prints of the Deities and Demigods with the Cthulu mythos before Chasiom forced TSR to pull them? I have three copies in mint condition, and sold one for a lot of change at a convention once. Oh, yes, 1st ed. AD&D will always mean endless summers of all night gaming, and a major part of my childhood in general. In my opinion, (not to mention the opinion of most people I know who played 1st ed. for any significant length of time) 2nd edition was complete unfiltered crap! It was just plain......useless. I was so glad to see it go. (I know...I'm ready to dodge many tomatos I know will be thrown at me over that one.) I reluctantly tried out 3rd and am now sold. I actually liked it and am running a campaign now. Will probably get the 3.5 books eventually. In my heart, though, and in my head, I will always be ready to start up a 1st edition campaign again. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 30] Author : apok-switch Date : 01-04-04 12:57 AM Well, sorry about the double post. Don't know what happened and it won't let me delete it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 31] Author : CommanderFuron Date : 01-05-04 03:40 PM Thread Title : OD&D how do I love thee OD&D rocks. Can't beat the rules cyclopedia. It has everything you need to play OD&D - One book - you can even get it as a pdf from svgames. I find myself compelled to buy copies from ebay fairly regularly. Long live OD&D. I can remember drawing maps of fantastic lands to adventure in using the red boxed set with the elmore covers. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 32] Author : Hiryu Date : 01-06-04 04:05 PM I started playing when AD&D came out, and you know what? I have always regreted to not have started back when OD&D was at it's height. To my shame, altho I reciently got the PDF's, I have actually never played the one that started it all. Hopefuly those PDF's will change that in the near future, though :D As for a D&D mixing 2ed+PO, I am actually doing something like that for my personal use and amusement (and also because I was one of the many people who wanted it and then realized that, with the advent of 3E, it was never going to happen), but work is going so slow is not even funny :smirk: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 33] Author : Zythrst Greyeyes Date : 01-06-04 04:44 PM Originally posted by Omote One of the best D&D products ever produced (IMO) has to be the RULES CYCLOPEDIA!!! All the rules you could ever need, PHB, DMG, and MM all in one fine volume. IMO the true BASIC D&D, maybe not the first, but the best of BASIC D&D. Remember the old RED BOX SET... classic *tearing up* good times, good times. .......................Omote Not to mention a Complet Campaign setting to boot. Man I would love to have all those Gazateers. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 34] Author : daeorknite Date : 01-06-04 08:54 PM OK I started play ing with OD&D when I was in grade school. Now that I am a DM and have a bunch of teeny kids playing with me, over Christmas break we did a Retro Campaign as they called it. And it was Keep at the Border lands. I prerolled the characters and they just drew numbers out of a hat. I think from the comments that they thought it was alot simpler and easy. By the way we went through the whole keep in a night! God, as an OD&D former player it was a blast from the past. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 35] Author : Eric Anondson Date : 01-06-04 10:34 PM Thread Title : My shame... I was given the red-boxed set as a christmas present. I was hooked immediately, except I was snookered by the desire to instead play the "Advanced" version of the rules, and ditched everything OD&D that ever came along afterwards. I completely skipped the articles in Dragon that catered to OD&D. Many years passed and got into the Red Steel campaign... it was AD&D-based. I did not know at all that it was associated with the same world as the OD&D used. Slowly, I looked into the products that covered the rest of that setting. I was impressed. When I laid my hands on a Rules Cyclopedia recently I was stunned at the completeness and simplicity of the rules, that my embarrassment at my prejudice against "Basic" rules was enormous. I had denied myself the enjoyment of such a great thing. Especially the Gazetteers, my, oh my some of them were so awesome that what was coming out of the AD&D world lines paled. I could see why there was a fanbase for that system as tenacious as any in the RPG industry. IMO, a game company could do worse than to republish/update the Rules Cyclopedia rules again. As much as folks hope that the AD&D rules someday become OGC, I'd rather the Rules Cyclopedia become OGC. Regards, Eric Anondson -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 36] Author : theDwarf Date : 01-08-04 02:33 AM Originally posted by migo My determination was that it was more "Useless" as I already had the 2nd Ed PHB, DMG and MM when I got it :) It looked interesting though. My feeling is that it can be used as supplimental material if a person already has AD&D (aka, you can buy what you want and ignore the rest). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 37] Author : DrWorm Date : 03-09-04 01:30 AM Boyo...I am happy with 3rd edition, but boy do I have fond memories of OD&D. We started with the red box and bought the others as our levels got higher. We were told that AD&D was a lot more complicated so we did not try it for years. The blue box was my favorite (Companion I think). The expanded weapon mastery system is the best I have seen in any game. We converted it to AD&D when we finnaly started playing that. It never got converted to 2nd, but I am thinking about it for 3rd. Not sure. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 38] Author : Edgewaters Date : 03-09-04 07:45 AM Ths is my favourite version of the rules, though I must admit I like bits and pieces of all three revisions - Moldvay, Mentzer, and the RC. There are a few mistakes in each one, but between the three of them most things are fairly well clarified. IMHO this is the finest rules system for DND ever produced, flexible enough to have room for just about any changes or level of complexity you wanted (ie the incredible Weapon Mastery rules in the RC) or could be very simple, the setting was amazing, the art was great, the rules were incredibly simple and flexible without allowing munchkins ... I can't sing enough praise for this one. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 39] Author : Yorlum Date : 03-09-04 09:00 AM I'm with Apok. Original was interesting, it did the job and hooked me. I truly fell in love with 1st ed AD&D though, and while I too abhor 2nd ed and its many kits [each $old $eperately!] , I find some worth in 3rd ed, IF THE GAME IS TIGHTLY CONTROLLED. Still, I'd much rather get my group together, set them to rolling and fifteen minutes later, have a 1st ed party put together. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 40] Author : beavis123 Date : 03-09-04 09:56 AM Thread Title : love that art I do love the art of the red and blue boxes. Keep on the borderlands is a classic. It was a great launching pad game. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 41] Author : Wyrmbane Date : 03-09-04 08:32 PM OD&D was what got me into the game. Played it for a while, but I wanted something "more". Got into AD&D, and a little Arduin. Hooked for life, and a little apprehensive when 2e came out. Finally got that, and decided I liked it, no big changes. Now I have too much invested in 2e to even think about a new version. Might try some more Arduin though. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Downloaded from Wizards Community (http://forums.gleemax.com) at 05-10-08 08:18 AM.