* * * Wizards Community Thread * * * -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Thread : D&D Movie Started at 03-01-04 02:20 AM by WizzyBlackmore Visit at http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=191960 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1] Author : WizzyBlackmore Date : 03-01-04 02:20 AM Thread Title : D&D Movie Was this good?? I read that it was going to be a trilogy..:behold: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 2] Author : Wyrmbane Date : 03-01-04 02:23 AM It was terrible. LotR is what the D&D movie should have been. And as for a trilogy, we can only hope not. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 3] Author : Magespawn Date : 03-01-04 02:53 AM Bad's isn't the word for it :censored: :censored: :censored: :censored: Let's put it this way, If someone held a gun to my head and said your going to watch this movie I"d say shoot me! as a matter of fact the police and military could use it as a way to get info out of criminals. :smirk: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 4] Author : beavis123 Date : 03-01-04 03:47 PM Thread Title : another movie the first movie was like 1st ed....nice idea but too many issues. the second movie if like 2nd ed ..will clean up some mistakes and by the third movie..like 3rd ed.....it's Oscar time.!!!!!!!!! LOL (That should get the old lather up!!!!!!!!!!!) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 5] Author : Wyrmbane Date : 03-01-04 08:26 PM By your standards, the second would be Oscar time. The third would be dumbed down for the new generation. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 6] Author : Sarta Date : 03-01-04 11:14 PM Thread Title : Re: D&D Movie Originally posted by WizzyBlackmore Was this good?? I read that it was going to be a trilogy..:behold: Let's put it this way, it would have been an improvement if the main characters were told what to do every ten minutes by a midget in a robe named Dungeon Master. Sarta -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 7] Author : DeathXI Date : 03-02-04 12:12 AM it wasn't as bad as they're making it out to be, but it was bad. I have the DvD (Gift from a friend) But i haven't watched it in a long while. If I remember right, they got gold and red dragons mixed up (Saying red dragons were more powerful than gold) The plot was pretty dumb, but I did like the whole trap/maze scene. I've always wanted to include that in one of my campaigns. but i forgot about it until now, maybe i'll watch it again to see if I can figure it out. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 8] Author : Magespawn Date : 03-02-04 12:33 AM I have to admit there was two good part's and that's when I got up to use the restroom and missed about 15 min. of it and the other was when the word's "THE END" flashed on the screen. :smirk: I still can't believe I paid to see that garbage :banghead: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 9] Author : Olli Date : 03-03-04 01:57 AM man, do yourself a favour and stay blissfully ignorant of this piece of crap. you havernīt seen it yet? pretend it doesnīt exist. it makes look "SW episode 1" like one of the best films ever (and man, i hate this movie!!!!!!!!) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 10] Author : Magespawn Date : 03-03-04 02:16 AM :heehee :heehee :heehee :heehee :heehee :heehee :rofl: I like what you said Olli. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 11] Author : Twilight_Knight Date : 03-03-04 02:30 AM I can only assume that this movie was produced with the intention of it never being viewed by anyone who is or ever was a gamer or even fantasy fan for that matter. It just plain sucked. The ridiculous costumes were from the local high school's theater department. The acting was so over-the-top that even Jim Carey cringed. The dwarf character was annoying and the piece de resistance', was the casting of "Snails" the rogue. I'm surprised that no one filed racial charges for the horrendously stereotypical way that the was depicted. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 12] Author : beavis123 Date : 03-03-04 05:55 AM Thread Title : hollywood crap Hollywood showed up with a boat load of cash for the rights, and the producers of this game, took the money and ran!!!!!!!! i don't blame them. The movie was made polling groups to see "what people wanted to see". What they ended up with was stereo-types, cliches, and a comic book story line. hopefully somebody who produced it saw a real fantasy movie like LOTR. by the way, Phantom Menace, good movie, geared toward children. They loved it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 13] Author : Harzerkatze Date : 03-03-04 08:05 AM I'm still waiting for a "D&D the movie Director's Cut". Where they cut out everything from the first scene to the credits. Would be the greatest improvement a Directors Cut has ever accomplished. Honestly though, I think it's a lot like The Phantom Menace: Some action-focussed scenes are not bad (the maze and the dragon vs. mage battle in D&D Movie, the pod race and the lightsaber battle in TPM), but what makes the whole so painful is how bad some other scenes in between are, how some details just insult your intelligence, and especially the thought what it could have been instead. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 14] Author : TheMightyMcClaw Date : 03-04-04 11:51 AM Here's a comparison: Hamlet is to Conan the Destroyer.... as Conan the Destroyer is to Dungeons and Dragons. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 15] Author : Therion Darksoul Date : 03-06-04 05:36 PM This movie was the BIGGEST piece of FLAMIMG MONKEY :censored: that I EVER wasted my life watching. The only miniscule part that was entertaining was the beating to death of Snails played by Marlon Wayans. I would rather petition the Academy to give best picture to "Hawk the Slayer" than to sit through the end credits of this :censored: film again. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 16] Author : Wyrmbane Date : 03-06-04 10:07 PM LMAO!! Well said, especially the part about Snails. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 17] Author : The WarOverlord Date : 03-07-04 09:56 AM I liked it. Perhaps the major problem/disappointment was that everyone was expecting one of the stories from the Forgotten Realms instead of a story from the world the Producer/writer/Director created when when he used to play D&D in High School? I don't think the movie would have ever gotten made if they had to worry about trying to get everyones approval to put "The Pool of Radiance" or "The Avatar Tales" to screen and in truth as good of novels these may have been trying to turn any D&D Novel into a movie would look like a Conan the Barbarian type thing with the best efforts...or maybe sub-standard LOTR with good cinematography and proper condensing and extracting of the story :rolleyes: I really think it was a interesting move to use a "Home brewed" Campaign Setting with a Story based on that Home brewed Campaign with a world ruled by Mages, Clerics don't exist and Dragons are an extension of the Magic in the World (Saying they are stupid isn't entirely accurate, as Dragons rather crush their "inferiors" then talk to them and just probably had nothing to say to the little twerps that were trying to use them :rolleyes: ) Also, if you have the DVD like I do as I got it as a Birthday Present, you would know that not only did the Creators of D&D support the Movie, but they were actually in the movie as a part of the Mages rebelling against the Empress in the last battle as well as part of the Mages assembly in the Government Hall. :smirk: Lastly, If you ever made a Campaign setting or even created a story in a generic non-specific one, do you think your Home brewed Campaign/Story would be worth converting into a 2 hour Movie? DO you think People will be happy paying $5- $10 to watch your D&D session on Screen as a Movie ? Remember trying to get a Forgotten Realms or GreyHawk or whatever Story to the screen will be a pain in the Arse with royalties and permission and kickbacks and red tape even if you did use an original story in the Campaign setting as the Campaign setting is owned as "intellectual property" by their creators. (And of course people will complain at the original story as it isn't "official" :rolleyes: ) Besides, D&D Gaming sessions are a lot like golf. It may seem interesting or exciting to be involved with the interactivity of rolling die, tabulating hits or misses, and trying to envision the area your PC is in, but the Game may be dull and boring to bystanders watching the session. :angel: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 18] Author : Wyrmbane Date : 03-07-04 12:13 PM I never expected them to re-create one of the novels, modules, or any other thing like that. What I expected was something that resembled the game I played. No clerics? Where are the humanoids? The only monsters are Dragons? And only two types (both acting stupidly I might add). No displays of magic. It didn't even come close to being a movie based on OD&D. Maybe they based the movie on the D20 system. ;) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 19] Author : beavis123 Date : 03-07-04 01:09 PM Thread Title : War Overlord I appreciate your opinion about the movie, but can not agree. I thought it was poor. My biggest gripe was the fact that the queen wanted all at once turn the whole realm or kingdom, or nation, over to a democracy. I don't think that was realistic, even in a fantasy movie. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 20] Author : nolanjwerner Date : 03-07-04 05:47 PM Thread Title : Re: another movie Originally posted by beavis123 the first movie was like 1st ed....nice idea but too many issues. the second movie if like 2nd ed ..will clean up some mistakes and by the third movie..like 3rd ed.....it's Oscar time.!!!!!!!!! LOL (That should get the old lather up!!!!!!!!!!!) Better yet, if the first movie were like the original D and D The second was first edition, the third was second edition, the fourth was 2.5 (Skills and Powers) and the fourth was third edition, lets start the humour ;) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 21] Author : The WarOverlord Date : 03-07-04 11:28 PM Originally posted by Wyrmbane I never expected them to re-create one of the novels, modules, or any other thing like that. What I expected was something that resembled the game I played. No clerics? Where are the humanoids? The only monsters are Dragons? And only two types (both acting stupidly I might add). No displays of magic. It didn't even come close to being a movie based on OD&D. Maybe they based the movie on the D20 system. ;) Actually if you are speaking of D&D technicalities anyone or anything that isn't the PC is potentially a "Monster" including other humans,Elves,Dwarfs. No monsters? I counted main bad guy as a "monster", his little Homologous that was spying on the Empress was a "monster", The Beholder shown for 10 seconds was a monster, the Commander and his "companion" in his head were monsters, there was also various creatures in the tavern and in the Thieves guild that would be a part of the variety of creatures. And the Dragons were part of the magic of the world that was being forced to fight each other and with the death of each dragon "all magic" and the world was getting closer and closer to utter destruction. It is likely the Gold and Red Dragons would normally be intertwined as a "Balance of magic" thing :rolleyes: And no, just because the director/producer/writer didn't throw every aspect of D&D into the project doesn't mean it "isn't D&D" See how Greyhawk differs from Forgotten Realms and Dark Sun/Athas. And again the creators of D&D were in the Movie and it was fully endorsed as the "D&D Movie" whether you like it or not. I mean I am not thrilled with 3rd edition, or the elimination of the Classic Bard and Cavalier and Barbarian, and think the 2nd edition Psionist is better than the 3rd edition sorcerer like rip off that is into new age medicine and crystal magic but I just ignore those knew rules when I can as a hardcore 2nd edition fan. :angel: Just because the maker didn't make his world and campaign setting to your specific liking of D&D doesn't mean his world isn't D&D which has to do with Fantasy Adventure Roll Playing and good story telling. Again, can you convert any module/story/adventure you have put together and turn it into a 2 hour movie that you'll except millions of fellow D&D fans with their own Ideas of D&D is to like it 100% ?:D I went in with no expectations (though I was wondering which D&D novel was going to be used), which is why I liked it. i instantly went, "Oh, he's using his own homebrewed story" when they introduced the world ruled by Mages. It is also the last Movie my family saw together as a family before my father past away and he, who knew I liked D&D but didn't know what it was all about, actually enjoyed the movie though he is more of a Western and WWI movie buff. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 22] Author : The WarOverlord Date : 03-07-04 11:35 PM Thread Title : Re: War Overlord Originally posted by beavis123 I appreciate your opinion about the movie, but can not agree. I thought it was poor. My biggest gripe was the fact that the queen wanted all at once turn the whole realm or kingdom, or nation, over to a democracy. I don't think that was realistic, even in a fantasy movie. Well considering she totally obliterated the Mages it was not like anyone could oppsose her desire and decree to make all mages and commoners equal citizens Who said anything about a democracy? :confused: Killing oppsing political enemies is a tyranical tactic and She did wipe out everyone that stood against her so it was not like there was anyone brave enough to say that magaes and commoners can't be equal and you can't tear down social barriers just because you have a septor that can call down a dragon to chomp my A$$ if I don't agree with you. :D The gesture may seem sweet, but that girl is ruling with a "Iron fist" :rolleyes: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 23] Author : the overlord Date : 03-08-04 07:40 AM I'm still dumb strucked (?) by the way the dwarf uses his AXE. I always thought it was created to do dwarfs honour. But the only way the axe is used in the movie is the push thingies and persons aside.......... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 24] Author : nolanjwerner Date : 03-08-04 02:08 PM The more I hear about the movie the happier I am that it was released during a period when i did not play D and D. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 25] Author : Harmon Shule Date : 03-08-04 08:14 PM Don't be too harsh though, my friends and I have mastered a wonderful game of... 'what is a better dnd movie than the d&d movie' For example, The Smurfs and the magic flute, was a better dnd movie than The D&D Movie. Thank you makers of the D&D movie for giving my friends and myself the ability to enjoy such a long standing joke. p.s. Strawberry Shortcake, the Movie, was a better D&D movie, than the D&D Movie. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 26] Author : DarkThoughts24 Date : 03-08-04 08:22 PM "oscar with sylvester stalone was a better d&d movie than the d&d movie -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 27] Author : Harmon Shule Date : 03-08-04 08:23 PM Legally Blond was a better dnd movie than the D&D movie -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 28] Author : Wyrmbane Date : 03-08-04 09:00 PM Rambo was a better d&d movie than the D&D movie. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 29] Author : The WarOverlord Date : 03-09-04 06:09 AM Originally posted by nolanjwerner The more I hear about the movie the happier I am that it was released during a period when i did not play D and D. Well, like I said I had no expectations and my Dad knew nothing of D&D so as a general Fantasy movie it was good. The real gripe is what someone considers "D&D"ish "Lord of the Rings:Return of the King" was a better "D&D movie"....but considering that the creators of D&D loved the Lord of the Rings and Middle Earth Novels and based the game on that, the "Lord of the Rings" story is the "godfather inspiration" of D&D anyway :angel: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 30] Author : SputnikCorp Date : 03-09-04 07:54 AM i agree with most of you. the D&D movie was atrocious. but once you get that past you, watch it again, with friends. imagine yourself as mike nelson and the robots from MST3K. throw in your own dialogue, it's a hoot. my friend and i were drunk when we happened upon the movie, flipping through channels. we laughed ourselves sober... it's a bad movie but it has now elevated itself into bad camp, deserving ridicule and praise for being bad. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 31] Author : Mock26 Date : 03-09-04 06:11 PM While the D&D movie was one of the worst movies I have ever seen, it was one of the most enjoyable movie-going experiences of my life! First off, before the movie started, I was outside the theatre waiting for my friend when two Uber-Geeks walked out, and the one said to the other, "Wow! That mage must have been 30th level! He could have beaten Elminster!" I was laughing so hard that I nearly fell off of the bench I was sitting on! Also, I'm a geek, so don't flame me for making fun of my fellow geeks! During the movie, it was hilarious that at any given time half the theatre was laughing at the stupidity of the movie, while the other half was offended that others were laughing! I remember the one scene where the evil guy with the purple lips was about to interogate the female mage, and she was kneeling and he was standing in front of her, his hand on the hilt of his sword which was just below waist level, and it was a profile shot, and, well, pull out that dirty part of your imagination and you figure out what the scene reminded half the theatre of! So, one guy yells out a funny obscenity, and the guy behind him stands up and the two are having a screaming match in the theatre. One of them yells, "Do you want to take this outside?" and half the theatre yelled out, "Yes! Take it outside!" Was I the only person who thought that the beholders looked like the floating eye monster from Big Trouble In Little China? Was I the only person who thought that the unsolvable maze beneath the thief's guild that had only three challenges was just too lame? Why on earth didn't the thief backstab the evil wizards when he had the chance? And, in closing, you really have to cringe with fear when the best part of ANY movie is one of the Wayans brothers! Take care and have a great day.... ciao, john. :b: PS If you decide to rent the DVD, rent it with your closest 100 friends. That way you'll only be out a couple pennies, but even that will be too much! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 32] Author : Wyrmbane Date : 03-09-04 08:38 PM Your problems with the movie are only the tip of things. I still can't believe they went ahead with it anyway. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 33] Author : kryus Date : 03-10-04 12:01 AM The "My Little Pony" made for TV movie was a better D&D movie then the D&D movie. Begin rant... :rant: This movie was absolutely atrocious. When I left the theater, I asked for my money back because I was not entertained! I was traumatized for weeks about it afterwards. I ranted about how wrong, wrong, wrong it was to everyone that I thought would contemplate seeing it till they promised not to just to shut me up. I think the single biggest mistake they made however was the fact that they did not respect the core rules. Geeks, like me, were put off by the inconsistencies with the game. Dumb beholders, dumb dragons, dumb wizards :uh-huh:, yes dumb wizards, gateway creating apprentices, red dragons stronger then gold dragons, etc. Compounding the mistake mentioned above, they added insult by creating a pitiful excuse of a story. Although I admit some of the ideas were good individually, they did not flow when put together. Also, the concept of the party was lost when the rogue (hero) did most of the work. After insult came the final affront in the form of overacting actors. Though I'm sure this was more of a directing issue. In a word, this movie was PA-THE-TIC. That's two :thumbsdow :thumbsdow for me. My only solace is that my memory about the ordeal is slowly fading but not fast enough for my taste.:banghead: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 34] Author : The WarOverlord Date : 03-10-04 07:08 AM Was I the only person who thought that the beholders looked like the floating eye monster from Big Trouble In Little China? Considering that "floating Eyeball monsters" (can't think of Chinese name) are in fact Chinese Legendary monsters much like the Rakshasa from India, no :rolleyes: And the 0 level thiefs wouldn't have made their saves so it was better the Beholder didn't see them. Was I the only person who thought that the unsolvable maze beneath the thief's guild that had only three challenges was just too lame? Would you have been able to solve it if he hadn't figured out the solutions for you? Why on earth didn't the thief backstab the evil wizards when he had the chance? The only 2 left standing from fighting the Emperess and her Dragons was the guy with the purple lips (that he did "backstab" then throw over the balcony) and the Main bad guy until the Empress had her Dragon eat him (Poor thing musta had a tummy ache) PS If you decide to rent the DVD, rent it with your closest 100 friends. That way you'll only be out a couple pennies, but even that will be too much! Until D&D 2 comes out. Despite all the problems everyone has with the movie, the fact of the matter is that it is a "Official D&D" Product (Look on that DVD and you'll see the WOTSC logo on the inner lining and on the back of the DVD case :rolleyes: ) Also, there are demos of other WOTC products, A interactive game conserning the Movie, and a click and print "Fastplay roleplaying game" based on the characters/movie. Love it or hate it is "D&D Official" -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 35] Author : The WarOverlord Date : 03-10-04 07:52 AM I think the single biggest mistake they made however was the fact that they did not respect the core rules. Geeks, like me, were put off by the inconsistencies with the game. Dumb beholders, dumb dragons, dumb wizards :uh-huh:, yes dumb wizards, gateway creating apprentices, red dragons stronger then gold dragons, etc. 1) Just because the Dragons had nothing worth discussing with their "inferiors" that dared control them, and lets not forget the Dragon in the beginning broke the faulty Magic device with a "dispel magic" type gaze then tried to rip the pest that dared to contain him apart, doesn't mean they "lacked intelligence" 2) Just because the Beholder had no lines and was sleeping on duty then ran off after a rock doesn't mean that the beholder was dumb, nor was it a "Watch Dog". How do you know the Human companions weren't the "thralls" :rolleyes: 3) The writer of the Story is a D&D Buff, This his his campaign world, and his World's mechanics apply and the "no Core Rules" complaint is just funny. What were you expecting? Turn based combat? Somebody rolling dice? Little icons on the side or bottom of Screen showing Spell cast, HP, and little barks appearing over their head? :rolleyes: No, If you read the Players and DM Handbook throughly it says that the books should be used as a guideline, not "Law" though the Movie is truer to the D&D rules than people were complaining about.....it's just the same thing like NWN and Baulder's gate in trying to integrate the Game into a "real world" situation Face it, try to convert any module provided over the years or even one of your home brewed games into a 2 hour movie and it more often than not will seem "Cheesy" to anyone that was not involved in the game/story before it was turned into a "spectator only" event. 4) As far as the Wizard thing I think it was said in an interview that the Aristocrat governing Mages were 20th Level (Including the Empress) and any mage less then that were treated only slightly better then non-mages in the "Mageocracy" thus though the "apprentice/flunky girl Mage was at least a 8th level Mage she was still little more than rabble to the ruling 20th level Mages. And the Spell she used was "Dimension Door" if you were wondering. 5) No, the Dragons where "equal" but the Bad guy didn't care that his Dragons dying in his quest for power was destroying the world/magic while the Empress was more aware and cautious when the first Gold Dragon fell and the sky turned colors and started to rumble and she was instantly like "What have I done?" -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 36] Author : Drexlorn Date : 03-10-04 09:02 PM Thread Title : Re: another movie Originally posted by beavis123 the first movie was like 1st ed....nice idea but too many issues. the second movie if like 2nd ed ..will clean up some mistakes and by the third movie..like 3rd ed.....it's Oscar time.!!!!!!!!! LOL (That should get the old lather up!!!!!!!!!!!) hum... is there any mod here to prevent edition bashing ? I saw earlier on other forums that edition wars were not acceptable. Please apply these rules everywhere, not only on in-print boards. This forum IS the territory of OOP ad&d / d&D, the last space Wotc is giving us, in respect of that, please do NOT spoil it dude ! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 37] Author : kryus Date : 03-11-04 12:28 AM To The WarOverlord, I was not expecting turn based combat nor did I suggest such a thing. I realize the rules are "guidelines" but the "guidelines" are the same for everyone. And the D&D "guidelines" are fairly clear. My gripe is that when someone calls something an orange, I expect to get an orange. Not a grapefruit, not a mango, not orange juice and definitely not a steak. When you put the label D&D on something, I expect D&D magic items, D&D monsters, D&D dragons, D&D dungeons, D&D character classes, D&D races, D&D spells, etc. I wanted to see a stereotypical D&D adventure in whatever setting but that was not what I got. This is not a strait jacket I'm proposing. This still leaves plenty of room for a good story and some MINOR changes if you really feel you need them in order to surprise the audience. The changes I was subjected to in this movie were MAJOR deviations from what I call D&D and I'm sorry to say, they were far too numerous and bad. The author/producer/director/whoEverIsResponsible should of put all his effort into making a good storyline and apply the typical D&D template. If this movie had provided me with either a) a D&D compliant environment b) a good story or even c) good acting, my opinion of it would of been much improved. However, neither A, B or C were present. A total bomb. Mr. WarOverlord, it sounds to me like you are trying to justify what people didn't like about the movie with possible explanations. You are entitled to your interpretation. Personnally find them a bit far fetched for my taste. That said, I admire you for standing up for this ... thing. From what I gather you are one of the few. I salute you but my opinion is unchanged. P.S. The spell cast could not of been dimension door because a) she was not touching the people she gated out (I'll give you that one) b) the spell had a Material component c) the range of a dimension door was too short for the distance travelled. And I checked every edition since 1st but these are just guidelines. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 38] Author : Dread Lord Date : 03-11-04 02:08 AM As a setting it was ok. If you take the concept then IGNOR everything that happend you might be able to have fun with it in a game. But now let's think about what this movie would have been like as an adventure. (it's been awhile so I'm gonna forget things) Party: 2 rogues 1 wizard 1 ranger 1 fighter the wizards job is to teleport in panic and cast some minor spells the rangers job is to look sexy the fighter is comic relief.:mad: one rogue is a moron the other is so freaking "dashing" and "charming" and what-the-freck-ever that why are the others here? Only Mr. Mega Rogue moves the "plot" the other characters wait for the DM to allow him to do anything wether it makes sence or not. ( I just took a potty break and forgot where I was going. So I'll just yammer on) Only once do they look like an adventuring party. when they gather outside the dungeon to get the red dragon staff. All the player have chosen their equipment and picked spells and start to go in. DM: "You all apporach the Dungeon entrance. The 10 by 10 coradoor streaches out before you." PC #1: I check for traps. PC #2: I cast Mage Armor. PC #3: Ok, we're ready. We all go in. DM: A magical shield blocks all of you but the handsom rogue. Because it is his distany. PC #2: Screw you! I'm going home! PC #1: Oh for the love of... Don't call me next week. *tears up character sheet.* PC #3: Come on guys. This adventure is just all about me. So you can't do anything. It's nothing personal. PC #1: *flips table over* You want a piece of this? DM: Look. It's just the way I decided it was going to go. PC #2: F#(K YOU! *throws soda on DM and advances with a bat. God. Why didn't you kill these poeple befor this mess happend? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 39] Author : nolanjwerner Date : 03-11-04 02:30 AM is the fastplay adventure 2 or 3e? I mgiht have some fun with that. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 40] Author : The WarOverlord Date : 03-11-04 04:25 AM Originally posted by kryus To The WarOverlord, I was not expecting turn based combat nor did I suggest such a thing. I realize the rules are "guidelines" but the "guidelines" are the same for everyone. And the D&D "guidelines" are fairly clear. My gripe is that when someone calls something an orange, I expect to get an orange. Not a grapefruit, not a mango, not orange juice and definitely not a steak. When you put the label D&D on something, I expect D&D magic items, D&D monsters, D&D dragons, D&D dungeons, D&D character classes, D&D races, D&D spells, etc. I wanted to see a stereotypical D&D adventure in whatever setting but that was not what I got. This is not a strait jacket I'm proposing. This still leaves plenty of room for a good story and some MINOR changes if you really feel you need them in order to surprise the audience. The changes I was subjected to in this movie were MAJOR deviations from what I call D&D and I'm sorry to say, they were far too numerous and bad. The author/producer/director/whoEverIsResponsible should of put all his effort into making a good storyline and apply the typical D&D template. If this movie had provided me with either a) a D&D compliant environment b) a good story or even c) good acting, my opinion of it would of been much improved. However, neither A, B or C were present. A total bomb. Mr. WarOverlord, it sounds to me like you are trying to justify what people didn't like about the movie with possible explanations. You are entitled to your interpretation. Personnally find them a bit far fetched for my taste. That said, I admire you for standing up for this ... thing. From what I gather you are one of the few. I salute you but my opinion is unchanged. P.S. The spell cast could not of been dimension door because a) she was not touching the people she gated out (I'll give you that one) b) the spell had a Material component c) the range of a dimension door was too short for the distance travelled. And I checked every edition since 1st but these are just guidelines. Heh,heh She was "linked" to them via her ring which she had a "hold" type of spell on them with a magical rope thing as a link, and she used the powder both times which was some kind of "Universal regent" And even in a lot of D&D modules a dragon doesn't bother trying to do anything but to rip you to shreds unless you look like you might me a little bit of a challange or. less likely, a "superior" foe. Not to mention that Beholders and Humans cruising together is so Zentil Keep and again Beholders rather stare at you and make nasty things happen unless you seem worthy enough worth talking to. But, Yeah, one of the funniest mistakes was a character using the term "Low level mage" cause that is a game term not something the PC's would say. :rolleyes: Same for them rattling off Spell names as if it was common knowledge to the people of the world when most spells have no "generic titles" or is spoken of like yesterdays gossip :rolleyes: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 41] Author : The WarOverlord Date : 03-11-04 04:46 AM Originally posted by Dread Lord As a setting it was ok. If you take the concept then IGNOR everything that happend you might be able to have fun with it in a game. But now let's think about what this movie would have been like as an adventure. (it's been awhile so I'm gonna forget things) Party: 2 rogues 1 wizard 1 ranger 1 fighter the wizards job is to teleport in panic and cast some minor spells the rangers job is to look sexy the fighter is comic relief.:mad: one rogue is a moron the other is so freaking "dashing" and "charming" and what-the-freck-ever that why are the others here? Only Mr. Mega Rogue moves the "plot" the other characters wait for the DM to allow him to do anything wether it makes sence or not. ( I just took a potty break and forgot where I was going. So I'll just yammer on) Only once do they look like an adventuring party. when they gather outside the dungeon to get the red dragon staff. All the player have chosen their equipment and picked spells and start to go in. DM: "You all apporach the Dungeon entrance. The 10 by 10 coradoor streaches out before you." PC #1: I check for traps. PC #2: I cast Mage Armor. PC #3: Ok, we're ready. We all go in. DM: A magical shield blocks all of you but the handsom rogue. Because it is his distany. PC #2: Screw you! I'm going home! PC #1: Oh for the love of... Don't call me next week. *tears up character sheet.* PC #3: Come on guys. This adventure is just all about me. So you can't do anything. It's nothing personal. PC #1: *flips table over* You want a piece of this? DM: Look. It's just the way I decided it was going to go. PC #2: F#(K YOU! *throws soda on DM and advances with a bat. God. Why didn't you kill these poeple befor this mess happend? You would think that a better movie could be made just from improvised acting much like the first "Night of the Living Dead" which was a bunch of drunks with a camcorder ? I am going have to agree :angel: I am still waiting for someone to meet my challenge of putting one of there DMing campaigns into a 2 hour movie format and have people not complain that it doesn't match what their interpretation of D&D is :rolleyes: But on the up side, D&D 2 has to match or beat the BAR that "Lord of the Rings" has set, so I do expect a better story. It might be a good Idea to adapt a Forgotten Realms Story to the Screen this time around......I mean it worked for Lord of the Rings. :D Even have Peter Jackson direct if you must. I know exactly why LOTR suceeded and D&D flopped. TO much unessesary talking and not enough mandatory action in D&D. Peter Jackson took a story that spanned 3 novels and was 13 months worth of Adventure and turned it into 3 movies with only the relevant dialog and "juicy" stuff in it. Not once was their a "usless conversation" :rolleyes: And , yeah, I bet the players were :censored::censored::censored::censored::censored::censored: as well if the writer guy actually did play the Movie as a actual Game. :D Kind of reminds me of that DR. Demento comedy piece of them making fun of Christain extremenist saying "D&D is the devils work" and they listen in on a Session and their is just arguing over what they are supoosed to be doing and general stupidness going on :D -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 42] Author : jeff Date : 03-16-04 09:11 PM How can anyone not love a movie where a Wayans gets not only knifed, but thrown off a roof?:smirk: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 43] Author : Belldandy Date : 03-20-04 05:31 PM HAHAHAHAHA DM: "You all apporach the Dungeon entrance. The 10 by 10 coradoor streaches out before you." PC #1: I check for traps. PC #2: I cast Mage Armor. PC #3: Ok, we're ready. We all go in. DM: A magical shield blocks all of you but the handsom rogue. Because it is his distany. PC #2: Screw you! I'm going home! PC #1: Oh for the love of... Don't call me next week. *tears up character sheet.* PC #3: Come on guys. This adventure is just all about me. So you can't do anything. It's nothing personal. PC #1: *flips table over* You want a piece of this? DM: Look. It's just the way I decided it was going to go. PC #2: F#(K YOU! *throws soda on DM and advances with a bat. God. Why didn't you kill these poeple befor this mess happend? THATS HILLARIOUS!!! and so how it would have been! I think they TRIED to make the film a roleplay film It was overly decorated, as some people see and play games, there were attempts at comedy (oh you KNOW what I'm talking about, in game comedy geekiness, sadly that didn't work either though!) And they DID seem to lose any sort of party. Whilst films are known for having heroes, D&D doesn't. They should have played with that! Hopefully, more things will be better... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Downloaded from Wizards Community (http://forums.gleemax.com) at 05-10-08 08:21 AM.