* * * Wizards Community Thread * * * -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Thread : OOP DND.com Started at 03-08-04 04:00 AM by nolanjwerner Visit at http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=196843 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1] Author : nolanjwerner Date : 03-08-04 04:00 AM Thread Title : OOP DND.com Just an idea I had from an earlier post. What if we got the domain OOP (out of print) DND (guess).com and we made it into an internet portal for original, first and second edition D and D? We could have articles, modules, characters, fiction, etc. I am thinking it would be like Dungeon adn Dragon magazine put together. What do you think? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 2] Author : Algolei Date : 03-08-04 04:44 AM That would be fantastic! But I'm pretty sure Hasbro Co. would crucify us all. Copyright and whatnot. They're keeping a pretty tight clamp on ownership. Plus they don't want anyone being happy--er, I mean, playing an older version they won't be able to sell. [Yeah. That's what I meant. ;) ] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 3] Author : nolanjwerner Date : 03-08-04 05:42 AM Originally posted by Algolei That would be fantastic! But I'm pretty sure Hasbro Co. would crucify us all. Copyright and whatnot. They're keeping a pretty tight clamp on ownership. Plus they don't want anyone being happy--er, I mean, playing an older version they won't be able to sell. [Yeah. That's what I meant. ;) ] There are other D and D fan sites. I dont seewhat would amke this one different. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 4] Author : Hiryu Date : 03-08-04 10:33 AM Nolan is right, there are tons of 1ed and 2ed sites out there and they are doing just fine. I also think it's a sweet idea, the problem it's support. It's been tried before, but if you don't get your stuff together and at least a decent ammount of fan material to get started most people get lazy/loose intrest quickly. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 5] Author : abysslin Date : 03-08-04 10:38 AM Sounds like Canonfire! (http://www.canonfire.com) to me. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 6] Author : rogueattorney Date : 03-08-04 02:41 PM http://www.dragonsfoot.org/ It's called Dragonsfoot. Please come, register, post. There are over 700 members. Downloadable (free and legal) modules, record sheets, campaign settings, etc. It is the home of OOP D&D on the Internet. (And no, I don't have anything to do with running the site.) R.A. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 7] Author : nolanjwerner Date : 03-09-04 01:13 AM Canonfire is a great site. I do not play in Greyhawk persay but I will probably steal quite a few things from that world and put them in mine. Love all of the adventures they have, I now have enough adventures to run everyone up to level 9 or so, which would be quite a while (they are at level 1, perhaps someone might make level 2 at the next session). Looking at Dragon's Foot now. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 8] Author : nolanjwerner Date : 03-09-04 01:22 AM Now I can just work on customising the modules so they have a continuity and it does not seem like a loose string of randomly chosen adventures. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 9] Author : Algolei Date : 03-09-04 05:52 AM Originally posted by nolanjwerner There are other D and D fan sites. I dont seewhat would amke this one different. Clearly I don't know what I'm talking about. :embarrass Heck, I go to Dragonsfoot every day! Was today Sunday? I'm so st00pid on Sundays.... For some reason I thought you were talking about putting the rules up on the internet for everyone to download. Aiieeee! Reading comprehension used to be mine! It's probably a good thing to just ignore most of what I say unless I get backup from another poster. ;) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 10] Author : Yorlum Date : 03-09-04 03:47 PM Quick question about the sites... They seem to be heavy on monsters and modules, but I didn't see anything about games/gamers wanted. Or did I miss that area? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 11] Author : radwizard Date : 03-10-04 06:00 PM There is a specific place to post for wanted gamers over at DF, it's located here. http://www.dfforum.org/forums/viewforum.php?f=25 It's located on the other side of the boards, they split them so that alot of the flame wars and 3E die hards wouldn't cause so much havoc with the ol' school groganards. :D -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 12] Author : abysslin Date : 03-11-04 12:14 PM They split them because the ignorant old grognards were threatening to leave the community of Dragonsfoot since the people that run it were allowing later edition topics and forums crop up. God forbid you have a community that shares a love for D&D and can tolerate eachother's edition preference. Ridiculious. Otherwise Dargonsfoot is awesome. They're forum heavy with some pretty cool gaming tools available whereas Canonfire is geared for Greyhawk related fanbased material. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 13] Author : rogueattorney Date : 03-12-04 11:34 AM Originally posted by abysslin They split them because the ignorant old grognards were threatening to leave the community of Dragonsfoot since the people that run it were allowing later edition topics and forums crop up. I'm not saying you're wrong, but there's two sides to every story... One might say that they split the boards because 3e trolls were coming in and provoking edition fights any time someone made the slightest mention of a difference between 1e and 3e. Since the boards have been split, the discussions have been much more civil and productive. R.A. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 14] Author : Edgewaters Date : 03-12-04 12:32 PM Originally posted by abysslin They split them because the ignorant old grognards were threatening to leave the community of Dragonsfoot since the people that run it were allowing later edition topics and forums crop up. God forbid you have a community that shares a love for D&D and can tolerate eachother's edition preference. Ridiculious. Otherwise Dargonsfoot is awesome. They're forum heavy with some pretty cool gaming tools available whereas Canonfire is geared for Greyhawk related fanbased material. God forbid there be any space on the entire web where someone isn't trying to sell 3e to people who would like a space to discuss older editions. Just one place with no solicitors. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 15] Author : abysslin Date : 03-12-04 03:29 PM I can appreciate both points, as I'm a 2nd Ed. exclusionary. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 16] Author : Greyhack Date : 03-16-04 05:18 AM Originally posted by nolanjwerner There are other D and D fan sites. I dont seewhat would amke this one different. If you could build a site that caters to OOP editions without the blathering fanboys, that would be a start. Sadly, aside from the forum here and over at Mortality.net, civil places to discuss OOP D&D games are few and far between. There's great material all over the place, but a centralized civil forum would be a nice feature. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 17] Author : Greyhack Date : 03-16-04 05:22 AM Originally posted by radwizard There is a specific place to post for wanted gamers over at DF, it's located here. http://www.dfforum.org/forums/viewforum.php?f=25 It's located on the other side of the boards, they split them so that alot of the flame wars and 3E die hards wouldn't cause so much havoc with the ol' school groganards. :D They split them because of the loud complaints of a handful of the site owner's buddies. The site's moderators are quite seriously guilty of most of the favoritism, cliquishness and overzealous moderation of dissenting opinions that I often see the Wizos here accused of. 9 times out of 10 I'd say the wizos are getting a bad rap, but I can say from personal experience: If you are not ready to carefully toe the line of the opinion status quo at Dragonsfoot, don't bother with their forum. Individual opinion and new ideas are not welcome. They do have a great website though, if you ignore the forums, lots of great downloads. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 18] Author : Greyhack Date : 03-16-04 05:28 AM Originally posted by abysslin Sounds like Canonfire! (http://www.canonfire.com) to me. To be completely fair though (and I am a staff member and regular contributor for canonfire), Canonfire does cater more to 3e/3.5e more than anything else. We have a lot of hard to find older edition downloads related to Greyhawk (Oerth Journal ezine, AOL Forum archives, etc) and a respectable amount of 1e and 2e material, but the majority of the stuff is 3e. We're more than happy to host anything from any editions though, as long as its somewhat greyhawk related. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 19] Author : Greyhack Date : 03-16-04 05:31 AM Originally posted by rogueattorney Since the boards have been split, the discussions have been much more civil and productive. The fact that dragonsfoot "purges" anyone with an opinion that bucks the trends there by throwing out unwarranted bans and rampantly deleting threads and posts probably helps that illusion of civility as well. :rolleyes: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 20] Author : rogueattorney Date : 03-16-04 10:44 AM Originally posted by Greyhack If you could build a site that caters to OOP editions without the blathering fanboys, that would be a start. ...and your definition of "blathering fanboy" would be what? Anybody who disagrees with you? Anybody who prefers the Greyhawk products produced prior to 1986? Anybody who dares start a web-board based on those products? R.A. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 21] Author : Greyhack Date : 03-16-04 12:38 PM Originally posted by rogueattorney ...and your definition of "blathering fanboy" would be what? Anybody who disagrees with you? Anybody who prefers the Greyhawk products produced prior to 1986? Anybody who dares start a web-board based on those products? Preferring certain products is fine. Rabidly attacking a product or making personal attacks on the authors because something doesn't carry Gygax's personal seal of approval is not. Forbidding discussion of a large, busy Greyhawk fansite because it doesn't carry the personal seal of approval of 2 or 3 regulars there is not. Let me state for the record that I have been banned from Dragonsfoot. Let me also state that I was, until very recently, an administrator at Canonfire. Having said that, take the following statements as you will. Dragonsfoot has accused Canonfire of "desparately trying to steal their traffic". DF has ~800 members, perhaps 25 of which are regulars in their Greyhawk section. Canonfire has ~2500 members. Stealing traffic? I think not. Oddly, Gary Gygax, whose material the DF Greyhawk forum is supposed to herald as the only true Greyhawk, is more active on Canonfire's Greytalk discussion group than he is on DF. DF's Greyhawk moderator, who has said there in no uncertain terms that Greytalk is a useless waste of time, has been one of Greytalk's most prolific posters the last couple months. Odd, huh? Well, luckily for him, we do not ban people simply for disagreeing with us and responding to our behavior in kind. We don't, he does, that's the difference. Canonfire does not prune/delete forum postings due to the fact that we don't like a certain person's take on Greyhawk. I personally dislike a certain Greyhawk fan who contributed an often cited index of Greyhawk material to the community. His index is quoted all the time on Canonfire, and not one of those posts has been deleted. The post that led to the flamage that got me banned from DF was a link to an article (written in 1e and 3e stats) based on the Shrine of Tharizdun adventure by Gary Gygax and implicitly dedicated to Mr. Gygax and the spirit of his work by its author. What was the problem? The article in question mentions Monte Cook. The closeminded status quo at DF couldn't handle that. Harsh words on their part were responded to with harsh words on my part. I got banned, they got a new self serving little set of forum rules to keep big bad partypoopers like me who might mention Canonfire out of their forum. Canonfire does not tolerate personal attacks on its forum. Dragonsfoot does. Gary Holian, Roger Moore, Carl Sargent and especially Erik Mona are attacked there on a regular basis. Not just their work, but personal attacks on their character. Canonfire doesn't tolerate it, WotC forums doesn't tolerate it, heck, ENWorld doesn't tolerate it. DF does. That is the difference. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 22] Author : Greyhack Date : 03-16-04 12:41 PM Originally posted by rogueattorney ...and your definition of "blathering fanboy" would be what? Anybody who disagrees with you? Anybody who prefers the Greyhawk products produced prior to 1986? Anybody who dares start a web-board based on those products? Also, let me clarify, without naming names and getting myself on the bad side of the wotc COC, by "blathering fanboy" I am referring specifically to 3 or 4 of DF's forum regulars who frequent the Greyhawk forum there, and, oddly enough, decide the course of the entire gh forum, the readership of which, by my guess, is around 25 to 30 regulars and a handful of other sporadic posters. You are not one of those I had in mind, RA, but I'm sure if you've been around there a while, you can guess who they are. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 23] Author : Edgewaters Date : 03-16-04 12:43 PM There are alot more forums there than the Greyhawk one, so perhaps you are better off directing your invective more specifically. As far as "The closeminded status quo at DF couldn't handle that. Harsh words on their part were responded to with harsh words on my part." - well, who started it is so often in the eye of the beholder, isn't it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 24] Author : Greyhack Date : 03-16-04 12:56 PM Oh no. It was quite clear who started what, sadly, after banning me, changing the forum rules to spefically disallow anything that the couple regulars who get to define the forum don't like, the moderator deleted the offending posts to hide the evidence. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 25] Author : Edgewaters Date : 03-16-04 12:59 PM I don't know dude ... all I can say is that anyone who runs around the internet making big giant posts about it, maybe they knew what they were doing ... i mean why would you bring baggage like this to WOTC boards, what are you on a campaign ... you say you're a mod at Canonfire that isn't enough of a platform to air your viewpoint or what ... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 26] Author : Greyhack Date : 03-16-04 01:16 PM I was replying specifically to certain comments made here. The character of a website is very important. OOP fans need unbiased, free places to gather and talk, like this forum here, not breeding grounds for cliques and edition elitism. It's thus important that people understand what really goes on at some of these places. Let me say though, DF's Basic D&D/OD&D forum is fairly civil, and useful now and then. If that's your game of choice, it's worth a look. The 1e and 2e AD&D forums get increasingly more volatile and opinionated. The Greyhawk, General Discussion and "Editions Wars" forums are pits of useless drivel. In my opinion of course :D -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 27] Author : ScottyG Date : 03-16-04 03:39 PM Greyhack is not banned from DF as far as I know. Many of his profanity-laced, personal attack posts were deleted, but he is not banned. He's had a personal grudge against DF and me, as the moderator, ever since. In the entire history of the site, only one poster has been banned. Gygax is far more active on DF than on Greytalk or Canonfire, you can check both sites and see for yourself. Gygax has about 5 posts on Greytalk in the past 6 months, and half of them are because I asked him to post to confirm some information I posted on Serten. Compare that to the 20 he's posted on one thread in Dragonsfoot's Greyhawm forum just since the beginning of this month. Since most of the posts of yours that I deleted were personal attacks aimed at Gygax, I'm not even sure why you bring it up. For out-of-print D&D material/discussion, Dragonsfoot is by far the best site on the web. If you're a fan of Gygax-era Greyhawk, the Greyhawk forum is worth checking out too. Scott -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 28] Author : rogueattorney Date : 03-16-04 03:55 PM GH, I'm not privy to your dispute with the moderator(s) of Dragonsfoot, so I really can't comment. I DO know that certain rather vociferous proponents of 1e recently left the site because the moderators were being too "tolerant" of 3e posters. So take that as you will. I just want to respond to your post to give another view of the site, and encourage those curious to check it out for themsevles. Originally posted by Greyhack The character of a website is very important. OOP fans need unbiased, free places to gather and talk, like this forum here, not breeding grounds for cliques and edition elitism. It's thus important that people understand what really goes on at some of these places. I agree with you to a point. However, some bias is implicit in any OOP board in that they are there to promote OOP games. If the makers of the board liked the inprint versions in the first place, there'd be no need for the OOP board. DF, as far as I know, is one of only two major websites dedicated solely to OOP D&D. (OD&Dities is the other.) Mortality.net, this board, and others are all primarily dedicated to supporting 3e. It is a board by OOP edition fans for OOP edition fans. Those going there as missionaries for the new rules can't expect to be received favorably. (Note: I'm not claiming this is what you did; the truth is, I don't know.) Originally posted by GreyhackLet me say though, DF's Basic D&D/OD&D forum is fairly civil, and useful now and then. If that's your game of choice, it's worth a look. As a common participant in the OD&D forum, I'd take it a step further and say that it is THE best place on the Internet for Classic D&D discussion. The Guild of OD&D doesn't get enough traffic. Places like Nutkinland and ENWorld have no area at all dedicated to old-time D&D. This forum and Mortality's OOP forum are too 2e focused. You want old-time D&D, Dragonsfoot is where you go. Originally posted by GreyhackThe 1e and 2e AD&D forums get increasingly more volatile and opinionated. I haven't found this to be the case at all. I'd encourage 1e or 2e fans to go take a peek. I'll admit that the 2e boards don't get as much action as this board or Mortality. Originally posted by GreyhackThe Greyhawk, General Discussion and "Editions Wars" forums are pits of useless drivel. The Greyhawk board is dedicated to "Gygaxian" Greyhawk - i.e. those products produced prior to Gygax leaving TSR (1987 and WG7). I suppose it depends on how one wishes to approach Greyhawk as to whether they will find any utility therein. I don't see any particular difference between the posters here and, say, those who like the original Star Trek series and think the later ones are pure drek. (Note: I'm not a Greyhawk guy, and rarely ever post here.) The owners of the web site have apparently come around to your way of thinking on the Edition Wars forum, as it has been removed from the site. And the General Discussion forum is just that - General Discussion - music, movies, Dr. Who, etc... R.A. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 29] Author : Edgewaters Date : 03-16-04 04:53 PM Well said, Rogue. And thanks for a bit of background and the other side of the story, Scott. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 30] Author : Algolei Date : 03-17-04 02:58 AM Originally posted by rogueattorney Places like :censored: and ENWorld have no area at all dedicated to old-time D&D. Aiieeee! You spoke the Unspeakable Name!! *flees* -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 31] Author : diaglo Date : 03-25-04 11:09 AM Originally posted by Greyhack: The site's moderators are quite seriously guilty of most of the favoritism, cliquishness and overzealous moderation of dissenting opinions that I often see the Wizos here accused of. 9 times out of 10 I'd say the wizos are getting a bad rap, but I can say from personal experience: If you are not ready to carefully toe the line of the opinion status quo at Dragonsfoot, don't bother with their forum. Individual opinion and new ideas are not welcome. in part i agree with you. but i ignore them and still post my opinions. :D read my sig over there, here, and few other sites. Original D&D(1974) is the only true game. All the other editions are just poor imitations of the real thing. :D -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 32] Author : skathros Date : 03-26-04 02:33 PM I would recomend DF to anyone interested in the "old" game. Most of the folks are both freindly and helpful. The GH forum is second to none (as well as the 1E/2E/oD&D). But DF's GH area caters to Gygaxian GH (this is clearly outlined). There's plenty of other places that tend to the Mona-nized version of Greyhawk (if that's your thing). I think it best if those interested go have a look for themselves at what DF has to offer and not take into too much consideration the ravings of slighted DF posters or praise of unabashed DF fan-boys (me). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 33] Author : Plunderer_of_the_planes Date : 03-26-04 08:32 PM I'll say this, Skathros invited me to join Dragons foot when we were part of the 3.5 gripes thread. Honestly Skath and I had to back each other alot because we were attacked not only by members of this site but by the mods as well for our opinions. But where's the evidence as WOTC has canned the thread to remove evidence that there was a hardcore resistance to the 3.$ move. I went to DF and Found their boards more civil indeed and have not seen these supposed attacks by mods or members. I do disagree with the shutdown of the 3e forum as it was a good civil place to discuss 3e....But it's not my site so I just hang out either here The FR forums, Candlekeep (under another name) and DF. Funny thought that there should be griping about DF being so anti 3e....I mean you should be able to discuss 3e on a site clearly dedicated to previous editions {yes that was sarcasm }:D And most of the DF members I have interacted with understand I like all the incarnations of D&D somewhat and I have never been attacked for it. Hell even MR. Gygax himself knows that fact and he has not said one ill word about it at all. So take the hatred of DF and the supposed attacks with a grian of salt. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 34] Author : skathros Date : 03-27-04 02:21 AM Originally posted by Plunderer_of_the_planes I'll say this, Skathros invited me to join Dragons foot when we were part of the 3.5 gripes thread. Honestly Skath and I had to back each other alot because we were attacked not only by members of this site but by the mods as well for our opinions. Ahhhh...those were good times ;) And although DF is a OOP D&D site, there are more than a few of it's posters that play 3/3.5E, yet the thing nearly all have in common is a gaming background rooted in previouse editions (be it 1/2/O D&D). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 35] Author : SteveDF Date : 03-27-04 04:54 AM They split them because of the loud complaints of a handful of the site owner's buddies. Grayhack, To hear you spouting that unfounded accusation against Mark again is very upsetting. Of course, since Mark passed away in November it is very difficult for him to defend himself. Obviously your apology to his brother after the first time meant nothing. The site's moderators are quite seriously guilty of most of the favoritism, cliquishness and overzealous moderation of dissenting opinions that I often see the Wizos here accused of. 9 times out of 10 I'd say the wizos are getting a bad rap, but I can say from personal experience: If you are not ready to carefully toe the line of the opinion status quo at Dragonsfoot, don't bother with their forum. Individual opinion and new ideas are not welcome. This is just untrue. The Greyhawk board is quite clearly labelled as "old-school". You take the disagreements you had with one moderator in one forum and you make sweeping generalisation about DF. Dragonsfoot welcomes new people and new ideas, however everybody who visits the site should bear in mind that we are aimed at out-of-print editions of the game. DF prides itself on having extremely civil forums and very little moderation. In all the years of running DF we have only banned one person, and for all the things he said against DF it was not Greyhack. I would kindly suggest that people come and take a look for themselves. Dragonsfoot (http://www.dragonsfoot.org) Steve -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 36] Author : skathros Date : 03-27-04 03:42 PM well said Steve! And if new ppl do decide to give DF a "look-see" for themselves, i think that they'll be pleasantly surprised by both the quality of the posts and the posters themselves. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 37] Author : Algolei Date : 03-27-04 04:22 PM :mad: Hey, I post there!! Oh, wait: You said "pleasantly surprised." :embarrass My mistake. I thought you said "horribly surprised." Carry on! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 38] Author : Plunderer_of_the_planes Date : 03-27-04 08:02 PM Dragonsfoot members: 11 Greyhack: 0 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 39] Author : WizO_Jedi Date : 03-29-04 08:07 AM These forums are not a place to bash other forums, their members, or their moderation policies. ::click:: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Downloaded from Wizards Community (http://forums.gleemax.com) at 05-10-08 08:21 AM.