* * * Wizards Community Thread * * * -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Thread : Od&d? Started at 04-16-04 11:00 AM by V.M.Larsen Visit at http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=222161 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1] Author : V.M.Larsen Date : 04-16-04 11:00 AM Thread Title : Od&d? Teach this dog a trick. What is OD&D? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 2] Author : stanles Date : 04-16-04 11:15 AM Thread Title : Re: Od&d? Originally posted by V.M.Larsen Teach this dog a trick. What is OD&D? OD&D pretty much stands for Original (or Old) D&D. It's really meant to mean, not Advanced, 2E, 3E etc. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 3] Author : rogueattorney Date : 04-16-04 01:10 PM Most specifically, OD&D refers to the original 1974 box set and the 5 supplements that were produced for it from '75-'77. I tend to lump the 1977 Holmes Basic box set in there too. Essentially, it's the pre-AD&D D&D stuff. Many also include the 1981 and later Basic, Expert, etc. box sets when referring to OD&D, as it's more or less the same game. So broadly speaking, it can mean the non-advanced, pre-3e versions of the game. It would probably be more correct, when talking about the later versions of the game to call it B/X D&D or BECM D&D, depending on whether you're talkning about the 1981 or 1983+ versions. How's that for a long answer to a short question? R.A. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 4] Author : stanles Date : 04-16-04 03:54 PM Originally posted by rogueattorney Most specifically, OD&D refers to the original 1974 box set and the 5 supplements that were produced for it from '75-'77. I tend to lump the 1977 Holmes Basic box set in there too. Essentially, it's the pre-AD&D D&D stuff. Many also include the 1981 and later Basic, Expert, etc. box sets when referring to OD&D, as it's more or less the same game. So broadly speaking, it can mean the non-advanced, pre-3e versions of the game. It would probably be more correct, when talking about the later versions of the game to call it B/X D&D or BECM D&D, depending on whether you're talkning about the 1981 or 1983+ versions. How's that for a long answer to a short question? R.A. Many just use BD&D as Basic D&D to refer to the later versions. Oi, I thought that this thread was originally in the Mystara folder. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 5] Author : havard Date : 04-16-04 04:07 PM Many just use BD&D as Basic D&D to refer to the later versions. Oi, I thought that this thread was originally in the Mystara folder. It was, I guess someone moved it to the D&D Out of Print Folder. I thought it was you actually since u are a community assistant, but I guess someone else did. The problem with the term BD&D is that some people think it only refers to the Basic set. It is annoying not to have a proper name for the various non-advanced versions of D&D. (Not that they neccesarily werent as complex as AD&D). Havard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 6] Author : rogueattorney Date : 04-16-04 05:01 PM Originally posted by stanles Many just use BD&D as Basic D&D to refer to the later versions. Many people do. I've always disliked it, because it simply refers to the first installment of the rules. The Rules Cyclopedia, for example, is anything but "Basic." It is annoying not to have a proper name for the various non-advanced versions of D&D. Well, there is a proper name for it. It's "Dungeon's & Dragons", at least that's what it says on the covers of all the boxes, books, and adventure modules I have. What's annoying is that nowadays, people think you're talking about something else. R.A. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 7] Author : stanles Date : 04-16-04 06:17 PM Originally posted by rogueattorney Many people do. I've always disliked it, because it simply refers to the first installment of the rules. The Rules Cyclopedia, for example, is anything but "Basic." Well, there is a proper name for it. It's "Dungeon's & Dragons", at least that's what it says on the covers of all the boxes, books, and adventure modules I have. What's annoying is that nowadays, people think you're talking about something else. R.A. Yeah that is the huge problem these days, and by using Mystara you seem to put off all those people who still player in the Dungeons and Dragons rules because they seem to see Mystara as being 2E. Ah well. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 8] Author : SnowbearK Date : 04-17-04 12:36 AM So instead of Mystara, use Known World. IIRC, that's what it was always referred as in O/B/whichever you like to call it, D&D . -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 9] Author : Algolei Date : 04-17-04 04:52 AM Thread Title : Re: Od&d? Originally posted by V.M.Larsen Teach this dog a trick. What is OD&D? Original D&D is the only true game. All the other editions are just poor imitations of the real something-or-other. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 10] Author : havard Date : 04-17-04 05:36 AM Thread Title : Re: Re: Od&d? Originally posted by Algolei Original D&D is the only true game. All the other editions are just poor imitations of the real something-or-other. But then there were 12+ editions of the OD&D, which one are you talking about? If you are talking about the very first edtion, I have it on pdf and it aint pretty. The Basic-Expert-Companion-etc rules, later reprinted in the Rules Cyclopedia though, thats the Real OD&D, to me anyways. Havard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 11] Author : Orion the Raven Date : 04-17-04 06:24 AM Others refer to the old white / wood box rules and its supplements as Classic D&D, the non-Advanced D&D (B,E,C,M, I, RC) as OD&D, and AD&D 1e as OAD&D. It is all very confusing because no universal monikers exist. A Guide to the American Editions of Dungeons and Dragons Dungeons and Dragons - Original Set This edition was first published in 1974 and released as a three booklet set in a woodgrain box (Later reprinted in a white box.). These booklets were "Men and Magic", "Monsters and Treasure" and "The Underworld and Wilderness Adventures". Early print runs featured refrences to Hobbits, Ents, and Balrogs, all of which were removed at the request of the Tolkien Estate. This particular edition featured three supplements: Greyhawk, Blackmoor, Eldritch Wizardry, Gods, Demi-Gods, & Heroes, and Swords & Spells. Although standalone combat rules were included, it was intended that the game be used in conjunction with the original edition of "Chainmail" and Avalon Hill's game "Outdoor Survival". Dungeons and Dragons - Basic Set (Holmes edition) This edition, known as the Holmes Edition after its editor J. Eric Holmes differs from future Basic Set releases as it features different rules from those future sets. This oddball set belongs neither fully to original D&D nor to its basic edition cousins. It seems as if it were intended to bridge the gap between original D&D (Above) and the Advanced Dungeons and Dragons game (Which this set refrences.). Most consider a sort of "Basic AD&D". It was first published in 1977. Advanced Dungeons and Dragons (First Edition) This edition, favored by the game's designer, Gary Gygax, began publication in 77 with the Monster Manual. This is the game refrenced in the Holmes edition of the Basic Set above. The Player's Handbook and Dungeon Master's Guide the Monster Manual in 1978 and 1979 respectively. AD&D first edition was published from 1977 to 1991 (Although Second Edition debuted in 88-89.). Basic Dungeons and Dragons (Including associated sets.) Basic Dungeons and Dragons as most people know it debuted in 1981 along with the release of the "Expert Set" (The next set in this general series.). It had already underwent two revisions from its original (Holmes) version (Including this current form.). All revisions were, for the most part compatible. This series of the Basic Set was a completey different game from AD&D or Original D&D, and ran until 1999. This run included the Basic, Expert, Companion, Master, and Immortal sets (In that order.), the Rules Cyclopedia (A revised collection of the previous sets.), Wrath of the Immortals (An expansion to the Rules Cyclopedia.), and a series of reprints of the standard Basic Set (Some updated.) under various, similar names by TSR in the late 90s (Dungeons and Dragons, Adventure Game, New, Easy to Master Dungeons & Dragons Game). Generally the later games mirrored a watered down versions of AD&D Second Edition as opposed to a unique game system like the older ones (Wrath of the Immortals and back.). Advanced Dungeons and Dragons (Second Edition) This edition begin in 1988-89 and continued until 99-00. It was an updated, revised form of first edition, featuring the same basic resolution mechnics, but several different changes to character classes and races. If you would like more information or pcitures, try: http://www.acaeum.com The Acaeum is THE source for classic D&D publication information. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 12] Author : stanles Date : 04-17-04 10:02 AM Originally posted by SnowbearK So instead of Mystara, use Known World. IIRC, that's what it was always referred as in O/B/whichever you like to call it, D&D . the problem with that is that the Known World proper is really just the southeast corner of Brun which is only a very small part of the gameworld which was greatly exapnded thropugh the Expert, Companion and Masters modules as well as the Princess Ark series in Dragon and the Hollow World stuff all still ebfore the gameworld even entered the Challenger era. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 13] Author : rogueattorney Date : 04-17-04 02:31 PM Originally posted by Orion the Raven This series of the Basic Set was a completey different game from AD&D or Original D&D, and ran until 1999. Not quite accurate. The 1981 version of the game (both basic and expert) was quite compatable with OD&D in that it used the same XP charts and spell progressions (m-u excluded), saving throws catagories and progressions, spell lists and descriptions, monster stats, XP awards, treasure types, character abilities and HD - oh, I could go on and on. What it didn't have were many of the added on classes and options from the four later supplements (psionics for example). (Yeah, yeah, yeah, race-classes. Well if you used the class restrictions on races from the original set, you're playing the same thing as the race classes, aren't you.) The 1983 version of the Expert rules changed things up a bit at the higher levels, and the 1984 Companion Rules really started going in it's own direction. Also, the rules set was no longer supported as of 1994. The 1999 "Dungeons and Dragons" set was an intro- to 2e and not a fully independant game. R.A. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 14] Author : Yorlum Date : 04-17-04 11:04 PM Simple test for what is OD&D. If it gives Arneson author's credit, it is OD&D. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 15] Author : diaglo Date : 04-19-04 08:03 AM Thread Title : Re: Re: Od&d? Originally posted by Algolei Original D&D is the only true game. All the other editions are just poor imitations of the real something-or-other. that's my sig.;) no wait, I'm Batman....:confused: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 16] Author : kengar Date : 04-20-04 10:07 AM Well, this is hardly official but here's how I typically refer to the various editions: OD&D = Woodgrain/White box set (circa 1974). Also known as "Diaglo's game." ;) Classic D&D = Basic D&D (Holmes), Basic/Expert (Moldvay/Cook), Basic, Expert, Companion, Master -or "BECM"- (Mentzer) and the Rules Cyclopedia -or "RC". AD&D = 1e & 2e 3.X = d20 D&D That's how I keep them straight at least. :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 17] Author : Algolei Date : 04-21-04 12:35 AM Thread Title : Re: Re: Re: Od&d? Originally posted by diaglo that's my sig.;) no wait, I'm Batman....:confused: Oops :embarrass I got the last word wrong! :angel: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Downloaded from Wizards Community (http://forums.gleemax.com) at 05-10-08 08:20 AM.