* * * Wizards Community Thread * * * -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Thread : A letter for Wizo_Paradox Started at 05-14-04 01:58 AM by Drexlorn Visit at http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=239317 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1] Author : Drexlorn Date : 05-14-04 01:58 AM Thread Title : A letter for Wizo_Paradox A message of public interest to the mod Wizo_Paradox. I said: We are in the OOP ground and the mod coming in is against us, old schoolers. You said: People who read what I post know I'm an old schooler. Sure, we all believe you. You are a Gygax fan and run your 1e ed AD&D campaign in the Greyhawk setting. :smirk: If what you say is real, please explains why and how do you qualify as an old-schooler. I would really like to learn of it. I said: Because the moderation on this board is totally absent and stoooopidly managed. You said: Wrong again. (Now I'll be there will be complaints the board's "Over managaged" and "heavy handed." Over managed is good if well done, but locking threads for no reasons or just because you love it is still no management. Learn that, managing a board is more than locking threads when you "feel" it's not good from your perspective or the CODE. You know, you can speak and ask for a change or even EDIT posts before clear warning to users. You said: Since ya asked for it, I'll grant the thread closed request. We didn't ask this, you dreamed it. Just tell everyone to stay on topic, it's easy. Warnings and that's all. Locking should come only at the last resort, when all communications failed. You'll always gain more respect as a mod by showing your skills to communicate and go on with everyone. A good leader is one who can place itself at the same level of his fellows at any time when it's needed. A good leader is also one that can listen and give clear directions. Seriously, locking threads here and there for nothing doesn't give you that much credit... You said: Guess I was proven wrong; that differences between editions can be discussed in a civil manner. I suppose they can't. I have seen civil discussions about editions comparaisons but not on this board. I agree with you so. The over influence of the current selling edition, the small part given for this forum and the little respect paid to the OOP by the cie is not really helping to have civil debates about the differents versions of D&D/AD&D. This board setting alone is calling for edition wars at every moment. The old-schoolers only have one forum, without subdivisions. The current version players has the HUGE rest. What do you think is our reaction when one of those players comes in and brag about his game and why we are "out", clearly p*ssing in our little pool? Simple, we get to the weapons... :smirk: I think there should never be editions comparaisons allowed in the OOP forum because of the previously stated reason and also because it's not the true purpose here. The topics should remain always about the OOP but well...I guess it's asking for too much since it's human nature to compare. :( This place is our only place in all the Dungeons & Dragons board. Is it asking too much to have a permanent mod here and have the forum fully and only dedicated to OOP D&D/AD&D ? Is it asking too much to have this sole little forum as a sanctuary for old-schoolers to speak of their game of choice without begin attacked and disturbed by people having no real interest and respect for the old games ? Can we stop all those useless debates, flaming, board managing problems and speak to settle it once for all for the best ? Are we asking too much sir Wizo_Paradox ? Are we asking too much Wotc ? Thanks for your concern. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 2] Author : Capn Charlie Date : 05-14-04 06:09 AM Oh they didn't just ask for it, they begged for it. I was there. And he gave them what they asked for. But much like wishes, be careful what you ask for. Anyhow, you know this iwll be either closed right quick, or moved right? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 3] Author : diaglo Date : 05-14-04 07:20 AM i can back Doxxie's claim up. he started with the Basic Set. Drexlorn, the problem you have with Doxxie, tho, is he plays all editions. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 4] Author : Incenjucar Date : 05-14-04 07:44 AM Oh bloody hell, why would Dox fake being an Old Edition user? It's silly enough that blackprinceofmuncie accused -me- of not playing 2e, but Dox has rather little to gain from being false, especially since he's a high-up. Also, what in blazes does this flipping-off of a hard-working WizO have to do with Out of Print material? If you had a gripe, speak to the source, or customer service. This post is merely spam, and is just driving that edition gap wedge all the deeper. Like we need more animosity between two groups that should be swapping stories. Is it asking too much to have a permanent mod here and have the forum fully and only dedicated to OOP D&D/AD&D ? Is it asking too much to have this sole little forum as a sanctuary for old-schoolers to speak of their game of choice without begin attacked and disturbed by people having no real interest and respect for the old games ? On these boards, it is very reasonable to expect not to be attacked, or to at least have the attackers dealt with as soon as possible. It is not reasonable, however, to expect 3rd edition players to completely avoid this area and never mention it. Many people come to this board to obtain information for 3rd edition games. This doesn't hurt you in the least. It does not disrupt your own threads. My tabaxi thread on this very board is, gasp, because I want to see if there's any information from the older editions that I can use for 3rd edition. There's no tabaxi info in 3e. This is the only place to get out outside of 3rd party books. So where the heck am I supposed to go for OOP information in regards to using it in 3e if not on the OOP BOARDS? A huge number of people on the 3e boards have never even -heard- of Tabaxi, and very few will actually have any information on them. I'd likely get more questions than answers, for crying out loud. There is a board for D&D Isolationists. There's probably a dozen of them. If you want to pretend 3e doesn't exist, go -there-. I sure as heck won't follow. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 5] Author : Rian Lightblade Date : 05-14-04 02:24 PM Here!! Here!! I agree with everything Incenjucar said!!! There should be no exclusionary boards here at the WoTC message boards save for the Mature Boards which should be for, obivious reasons, posters aged 17 and older. If you don't like the way the boards here are run you are perfectly free to go somewhere else. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 6] Author : blackprinceofmuncie Date : 05-14-04 02:55 PM Originally posted by Incenjucar Oh bloody hell, why would Dox fake being an Old Edition user? It's silly enough that blackprinceofmuncie accused -me- of not playing 2e, but Dox has rather little to gain from being false, especially since he's a high-up. Just to be clear, I never accused you of not playing 2e, I just said you didn't know what you were talking about when you addressed the issues of 1) OD&D being a "rip-off" of Chainmail 2) The difference in power levels being a simple matter of increasing the toughness of challenges and 3) 2e introducing UFOs to the game. If it sounded like I was calling into question your assertion that you had played pre-3e D&D I apologize. My intention wasn't to call you a liar. My intention was to say you were ignorant of the facts. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 7] Author : Incenjucar Date : 05-14-04 05:29 PM Well what did I get wrong, exactly? Chainmail is what D&D is based on. I was kidding when I said it, but it is, technically, true, just like D&D Miniatures is based on D&D. Loosely, certainly, but tis true. I don't see how you can't toughen the challenges rather easily. It might be -easier- to anticipate a character's power in older editions since they're so mechanically similar, but there's no overwhelming set up outside of some of the junk rules in the Miniatures Handbook. DMs, however, are as clever as ever. Heck, I had to use kid gloves not to insta-kill the wizard after the power-hungry bugger let a mimic envelop his arm so as to gain the 'key item'. All it took was having the mimic disguise itself as a statue holding a talking skull instead of a silly treasure chest. The word "introduced" doesn't have to mean "first". There was a UFO full of robots and junk that landed in your D&D setting via a module in 2e. I remember it quite clearly as something I wouldn't use if someone gave it to me for free. But it was there. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 8] Author : blackprinceofmuncie Date : 05-14-04 09:24 PM Since my reply would be OT in this thread I'll PM you. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 9] Author : Drexlorn Date : 05-15-04 01:11 AM Ok, seeing the general consensus, I'm clearly losing my time here. So, let's say I never posted anything and delete this thread. I'm out of here. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Downloaded from Wizards Community (http://forums.gleemax.com) at 05-10-08 08:20 AM.