* * * Wizards Community Thread * * * -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Thread : Dragon and TSR? Started at 05-24-04 10:31 AM by vader42xx Visit at http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=245540 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1] Author : vader42xx Date : 05-24-04 10:31 AM Thread Title : Dragon and TSR? Does anybody happen to know the last issue of Dragon magazine that TSR had anything to do with? Meaning, of course, the TSR pre-WotC buyout. I know the Dragon CD Archive (with issues 1 to 250) didn't come out too long before TSR sold to WotC but I'm curious as to how many TSR issues of Dragon exist beyond those 250. Thanks for the help. :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 2] Author : Glorfinden Date : 05-25-04 03:29 PM The first Dragon after #250 that I own is #258. In it - albeit cunningly hidden in an ad - you can read "TSR, a subsidiary of Wizards of the Coast". Must have been a couple of months before #258 then. There's also advertisement for the 25th anniversary "Return to the Keep on the Borderlands" in it, and I always had the feeling that the silver anniversary edition had been solely WotC's idea, though I may be mistaken. If you take a couple of months for planning into consideration, the takeover must have taken place between #250-#255. But that's just my two cents.. Glorfinden -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 3] Author : vader42xx Date : 05-25-04 05:38 PM Thanks for the info. :) I know there was a time for about six months that Dragon just stopped hitting the shelves and nobody "knew why." So I'm looking for that time period I guess. Or the issue just before that time period. But, anyway, if your guess is even close to correct that puts almost all of the TSR Dragon magazines in the archive. Interesting. :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 4] Author : Glorfinden Date : 05-26-04 04:11 PM I know there was a time for about six months that Dragon just stopped hitting the shelves and nobody "knew why." So I'm looking for that time period I guess. Or the issue just before that time period. But, anyway, if your guess is even close to correct that puts almost all of the TSR Dragon magazines in the archive. Interesting. :) Ah yes, I've nearly forgotten that! :-) I surmised that the delay must reflect itself in the discrepancy between the issue number and the month, say the last TSR-issue would have been printed in May and the next one, WotC-owned, accordingly in November. Dragons back then had alternating pages show the issue and the month / year of publication, so I took a look at #258 and at the CD-ROM #250, and strangely enough issue# and month were in accordance: #250 / August '98 - #258 / April '99 ... 8 issues, 8 months. Intrigued by that fact, I dug a little bit deeper ... #250 and a lot before them, all have the "TSR, subsidiary of WotC"-line somewhere in the magazine. The solution: #236 (December 1996) is the last issue that has been published by TSR. #237, the first issue with WotC in charge, told of the Wizards' takeover. It also misses the month/year print on alternating pages. The preview pages show the January, February, and March publications. #238 is the first regular issue after the take-over, published in August '98. The take-over took place a little bit more than 7 years ago .. tempus fugit! Glorfinden -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 5] Author : vader42xx Date : 05-26-04 04:21 PM Now that's very interesting...and also explains why the Dragon CD archive hit the shelves in the first place. In a sense, it actually has every issue of Dragon that TSR ever printed on their own. I had no idea. :eek: But that information also prompts me to reword my original question. In light of what I've just read I guess what I should ask is; What was the last issue that focused on AD&D? So if I wanted 2e and earlier articles only what is the last issue I can look at? Thanks for the food for thought Glorfinden and for all the research. :) Edit: Also, am I reading your "timeline" right? You seem to have more than a year (about 18 months?) when Dragon wasn't being published. Is that correct? I remember it seemed like a long time that my subscription was missing but I thought I heard the last count at about six months?? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 6] Author : Glorfinden Date : 05-26-04 05:12 PM Originally posted by vader42xx Edit: Also, am I reading your "timeline" right? You seem to have more than a year (about 18 months?) when Dragon wasn't being published. Is that correct? I remember it seemed like a long time that my subscription was missing but I thought I heard the last count at about six months?? Oops! Sorry, that should read #238 - August '97. ;) August '98 was issue #250. I'll take a look at the issues after #258 tomorrow, I think I have the first 3e issue somewhere ... Glorfinden -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 7] Author : vader42xx Date : 05-27-04 02:48 AM Ah, ok, so six or seven months then. And, no worries by the way. :) Thanks for looking into it. :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 8] Author : RobertFisher Date : 05-27-04 11:16 AM Originally posted by vader42xx What was the last issue that focused on AD&D? I don't know if this answers the question (:)), but the first 3e issue was #274. I'm sure some issues before that probably had articles previewing 3e, though. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 9] Author : vader42xx Date : 05-27-04 03:15 PM Thanks, and that's part of it for sure. :) So we know that 274 was the stopping point for 2e for sure. Now all we need is to know if it was actually earlier. :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 10] Author : Glorfinden Date : 05-27-04 04:44 PM It's as RobertFisher says the first (official) 3e only Dragon is #274. I own #272 and it definitely contains 2e articles plus some 3e previews, like the 3e stats of Tiamat and Bahamut. If you want definite proof of #274 being the first 3e-only issue, we got to find someone with #273 ... Glorfinden -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 11] Author : vader42xx Date : 05-27-04 05:10 PM The real pain in the neck (since I can't say what it REALLY is...) is that I've got those issues but about 5000 miles away at the moment. So I can't check. And it's not any real big deal, anyway. lol The key point is that the CD archive contains about 99% of the AD&D (and earlier) content and that's quite impressive. :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 12] Author : Varl Date : 05-27-04 05:58 PM I have 273. I'll check when I get home. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 13] Author : vader42xx Date : 05-28-04 02:30 AM Thank you sir. :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 14] Author : Varl Date : 05-28-04 08:56 AM Yes, 274 is the first official issue of 3e. Issue 273 is a tweener. It's a swashbuckling issue that has stats for both editions where appropriate, so there you go. :D -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 15] Author : vader42xx Date : 05-28-04 09:59 AM Thank you again. :) Ok, so the CD archive is missing only 23 issues from being a complete collection for all non-3e Dragon magazines. That's not bad at all. :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 16] Author : Varl Date : 05-28-04 10:57 AM I know. 23 issues wouldn't be bad to add to it if I knew how to add them to it, which is probably impossible without the original source code of the CD. Oh well. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 17] Author : vader42xx Date : 05-28-04 03:41 PM No, but they could be scanned and converted to pdf and burned on a 6th CD. Of course then you wouldn't be able to use the search feature but what the heck, right? Though I don't know why you'd go to all the trouble converting those few issues if you already have the hardcopy anyway. :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 18] Author : Varl Date : 05-28-04 09:03 PM Heh. True. Still, I get tremendous use out of my Dragon archive as it is, even 23 issues short. Questions are asked, and sometimes the answers are a few clicks away. It beats going to issue 116 and looking at the index and hoping the answer to the question is under issue 116. ;) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 19] Author : vader42xx Date : 05-29-04 03:01 AM Oh I'm sure, in fact I'm surprised to find out that it's only 23 issues short...I thought it would be more. :) I just order mine so I'm waiting for it to arrive and looking forward to a lot of quality reading. :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Downloaded from Wizards Community (http://forums.gleemax.com) at 05-10-08 08:20 AM.