* * * Wizards Community Thread * * * -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Thread : 2 ed. and 2 ed. AD&D? Started at 07-30-04 10:57 AM by Nifftin Visit at http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=285104 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1] Author : Nifftin Date : 07-30-04 10:57 AM Thread Title : 2 ed. and 2 ed. AD&D? Is there a 'regular' 2nd edition? Or is it all just 2nd edition AD&D? I'm just curious. Been playing the 2nd ed. AD&D for about... man, 6 years? That's only because i'm young. Anywho, I was just curious. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 2] Author : rogueattorney Date : 07-30-04 11:26 AM Generally, when people refer to "2nd edition" they are referring to the second edition of Advanced Dungeons & Dragons. The "Third Edition" that's out now, although it's called Dungeons & Dragons, is really the third edition of Advanced Dungeons & Dragons. The second and third edition of Dungeons & Dragons actually came out in the late 70's, but no one refers to it as such. It's normally called "Blue Box basic" or "The Holmes edition" (after the editor). R.A. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 3] Author : diaglo Date : 07-30-04 12:47 PM Originally posted by rogueattorney The second and third edition of Dungeons & Dragons actually came out in the late 70's, but no one refers to it as such. It's normally called "Blue Box basic" or "The Holmes edition" (after the editor). 2edD&D and 3edD&D are the Holmes editions. yes, some of us still refer to them that way. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 4] Author : Nifftin Date : 07-31-04 01:50 AM Many thanks. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 5] Author : Urn's_Kitchen Date : 08-01-04 07:43 PM Wow, I had no idea that there was a 2edD&D and 3edD&D. Were they not very popular - possibly overshadowed by AD&D? In general terms, how were they different from basic? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 6] Author : Kheldren Date : 08-02-04 03:45 AM how were they different from basic? Well that all depends on what you called basic... For the REAL old-time gamers who played D&D before AD&D and D&D split, then I believe there are a reasonable number of differences, as they are not much closer to the original versions than 1st Ed AD&D (just in a different direction). If you think of basic as one of the Red Box versions of D&D (i.e. the ones actually called Basic D&D) then the changes are trivial at levels 1-3 (Basic) minor at levels 4-14 (Expert - mainly a different monster set) and total at levels 15+ (Companion, Master, Immortal - not in the earlier version). The only real RULES difference I ever noticed between the two Red-Box Basic D&D sets that I own is on opening doors! The old version has you roll d6 under a number that depends on your strength, the new version has you roll over a number, but you add your strength modifier - which is much more consistent with the rest of the game. The two sets are laid out completely differently, however, and the newer Basic set had what appeared to be an excellnt introduction to what role playing was included. (Before anyone says it also lacked module B2, well so does my older Basic version.) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 7] Author : rogueattorney Date : 08-02-04 10:30 AM Originally posted by Urn's_Kitchen Wow, I had no idea that there was a 2edD&D and 3edD&D. Were they not very popular - possibly overshadowed by AD&D? In general terms, how were they different from basic? They weren't different from Basic box. They WERE the Basic box. Considering how popular they were (millions and millions of boxes sold) and the fact that the first printing of the Basic set (i.e. "the second edition of D&D") was published prior to AD&D, I'd say that, no, they weren't overshadowed by AD&D. And Kheldren, we're not talking about the two Red boxes. We're talking about the blue box that came out before them: http://www.acaeum.com/DDIndexes/SetPages/SetScans/Basic1st.html The confusion stems from the fact that TSR wasn't entirely consistent with how they referred to the games themselves. The original box, in it's various different printings, was called 1st edition. The first through 5th printings of the Holmes (Blue with Sutherland art) box was called 2nd edition. The 6th and 7th printing of the Holmes box was called 3rd edition. The 1981 Moldvay box (Magenta or Pink, with Otus art) was variously called the revised 2nd edition or the 3rd edition, and the 1983 Mentzer box (Red, with Elmore art) was called both the 3rd and 4th edition. See http://www.acaeum.com/DDIndexes/SetPages/Basic.html For that reason, it's a lot easier to call the various Basic boxes by the name of their editors (Holmes, Moldvay, and Mentzer), the name of the cover artist (Sutherland, Otus, and Elmore) or the year it came out. Which is why, when people talk "editions" of D&D, they are usually talking editions of AD&D. And if the new edition is really an edition of Dungeons & Dragons, instead of Advanced Dungeons & Dragons, then it's the Sixth edition, if not the Seventh or Eighth, depending on how you want to count. R.A. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Downloaded from Wizards Community (http://forums.gleemax.com) at 05-10-08 08:19 AM.