* * * Wizards Community Thread * * * -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Thread : Coming back from a Hiatus Started at 08-08-04 08:26 AM by Stonebeard Visit at http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=289749 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1] Author : Stonebeard Date : 08-08-04 08:26 AM Thread Title : Coming back from a Hiatus Its always fun coming back to this board after being away for a while and reading the many over reacting posts and replies. Does it really matter if its 3e or any of the other many off topic posts? I would like to start a discussion about what is on and off topic. To get the ball rolling i'll start with these few, and their only my opinion. off topic ---------- Promoting 3e to the detriment of older versions Telling wizos how to do their job Whining about your thread getting locked Telling WotC how to run their business Threatening to delete the OOP board (like It matters with our inability to post on topic) on topic ---------- How does infravision work How would i convert my 3e character to 1e (or vise versa) two fighters and a mage walk into a bar.... Where can I find OOP materials Who's your favorite D&D artist Just to name a few of each, please add on your ideas. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 2] Author : WizO_Catoblepas Date : 08-08-04 10:00 AM I'd just add discussion of OoP material in general as being on topic as well as house rules which you may have created for OoP editions. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 3] Author : Coldpenguin625 Date : 08-09-04 05:30 AM Thread Title : Re: Coming back from a Hiatus Originally posted by Stonebeard Its always fun coming back to this board after being away for a while and reading the many over reacting posts and replies. Does it really matter if its 3e or any of the other many off topic posts? I would like to start a discussion about what is on and off topic. To get the ball rolling i'll start with these few, and their only my opinion. off topic ---------- Promoting 3e to the detriment of older versions Telling wizos how to do their job Whining about your thread getting locked Telling WotC how to run their business Threatening to delete the OOP board (like It matters with our inability to post on topic) on topic ---------- How does infravision work How would i convert my 3e character to 1e (or vise versa) two fighters and a mage walk into a bar.... Where can I find OOP materials Who's your favorite D&D artist Just to name a few of each, please add on your ideas. I agree entirely, the wizos do a fine job from what I've seen and most of the malcontents have little grounds to criticize. Anyways, back to talking about OOP, away! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 4] Author : Algolei Date : 08-09-04 06:04 AM Hey! I'm a malcontent, and I stand on plenty of grounds! As to what's considered On Topic, how about discussion of which contradictory optional rules do you use? (I'm thinking Complete Fighter's Handbook versus Combat & Tactics kinda thing.) Plus I don't think 3E stuff is ever On Topic. But I am biased, having been forced to play 3E rules for a couple of years before my group (of younger players) came to see THE LIGHT! Heck, I had to DM it through two campaigns, both of which ended abruptly when I couldn't take anymore of the dang *mmph mmfm fmfmbmlmm!* ...okay I've stopped complaining.... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 5] Author : vader42xx Date : 08-09-04 06:46 AM Until such time as a conversion board can be put up (if ever) I say we leave the "3e conversion" stuff as one topic. Especially if they want to know how to convert 3e material to 1e...but I still say the other way around is ok with me. ;) Otherwise, on topic is anything before 3e as far as I'm concerned. :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 6] Author : diaglo Date : 08-09-04 07:30 AM Thread Title : Re: Coming back from a Hiatus Originally posted by Stonebeard off topic ---------- Promoting 3e to the detriment of older versions Telling wizos how to do their job Whining about your thread getting locked Telling WotC how to run their business Threatening to delete the OOP board (like It matters with our inability to post on topic) i believe that is a good start. i would add How would i convert my 3e character to 1e (or vice versa) there are other In Print boards for this. if you are just coming here to do it b/c you feel it has an older crowd i would say the older guys willing to play 3ed hang out on the In Pring forums too... WizO Cat and WizO Doxxie and trollbill and Zherog and... if you are coming here to do it b/c you honestly feel the only place to discuss 1ed is here... then leave out the 3ed part. but that is just my opinion. on topic ---------- How does infravision work two fighters and a mage walk into a bar.... Where can I find OOP materials Who's your favorite D&D artist what ever happened to so and so the writer of X OoP product? are they still alive? are they still in the industry? where can i find the errata for Y OoP product, if it was legally produced? or did anyone do their own review of OoP Product Y? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 7] Author : Thailfi Date : 08-09-04 08:06 AM How would i convert my 3e character to 1e (or vise versa) You know I see plenty of posts on this Board that ask about converting the classics (Against the Giants, Tomb of Horrors, etc. etc.) to 3e, but I have yet to see a thread like "Hey, since we are not getting any new stuff, how do I go about converting Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil back into 1e/2e?" You would think that Wizards would like to see threads like that as it actually might mean some sales dollars from the grognards. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 8] Author : vader42xx Date : 08-09-04 08:39 AM I'm using a few 3e products in my games actually. Mostly the older 3.0 ones as the newer ones aren't the same quality and aren't as usable in older editions (more feats, prestige classes, skills, and less content). But at least some of the 3e books are worth a little backwards conversion. :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 9] Author : diaglo Date : 08-09-04 09:19 AM Originally posted by Thailfi You know I see plenty of posts on this Board that ask about converting the classics (Against the Giants, Tomb of Horrors, etc. etc.) to 3e, but I have yet to see a thread like "Hey, since we are not getting any new stuff, how do I go about converting Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil back into 1e/2e?" i posted all of my Conversion threads on the In Print forums about 3 and half years ago. converting the In Print stuff to OD&D.:D -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 10] Author : Stonebeard Date : 08-11-04 07:17 PM I'm curious as to what reaction you got posting conversion requests to in print boards. I would assume that most people reading in print boards would be lacking in 1e knowledge. Certainly you would need to understand both editions (well) to make an accurate conversion. From the posts I've seen in here does anyone with knowledge of 1e (or other older versions) hang out in the in print boards? Or is it just me who has never been to any board here on wizards but this one? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 11] Author : Algolei Date : 08-12-04 03:14 AM I used to hang out on the 3E boards, but gradually I had less and less usefulness to contribute (as I managed to creep further and further away from the 3E game). Now I just come here, where my opinions still matter. Uh...I think they do, anyway. ;) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 12] Author : vader42xx Date : 08-12-04 06:34 AM I stay in touch with the Dark Sun and Ghostwalk forums and look through the others. :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 13] Author : diaglo Date : 08-12-04 10:49 AM i think i posted at least one conversion thread to every single forum back then.:D not as many as there are now. but still it was alot. many of the posters got mad at me. frothing at the mouth mad. asking what i was doing bring up older editions. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 14] Author : havard Date : 08-12-04 11:27 AM Originally posted by Stonebeard I'm curious as to what reaction you got posting conversion requests to in print boards. I would assume that most people reading in print boards would be lacking in 1e knowledge. Certainly you would need to understand both editions (well) to make an accurate conversion. From the posts I've seen in here does anyone with knowledge of 1e (or other older versions) hang out in the in print boards? Or is it just me who has never been to any board here on wizards but this one? I'm a regular at the Mystara board. At least for non-AD&D conversions that board should be excellent for finding people who can help you with conversions since Mystara had its glory days before it was converted to 2e. Then again, the Mystara board isn't really an in print board is it? :P Havard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 15] Author : Yorlum Date : 08-24-04 11:26 AM I, like several of you, tried to post to the main-boards, but grew tired of the inevitable chorus of "That's not the way we do it!" everytime I'd mention an old rule or convention. I cannot understand how a group of players who advocate 3rd ed for its 'flexibility' among other things, can be so inflexible when one of us old-timers dares to speak. Let them have the main boards, I'll stay here and on other forums http://www.dragonsfoot.org/forums/ where people are more interested in what I have to say. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 16] Author : skathros Date : 09-01-04 05:55 PM Let them have the main boards, I'll stay here and on other forums http://www.dragonsfoot.org/forums/ where people are more interested in what I have to say. Difference being, we're welcome at DF, but only tolerated here in WotC-land. (Paging Halaster...come in Halaster) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 17] Author : WizO_Catoblepas Date : 09-02-04 02:44 AM Ok, though the original and subsequent posters put some excellent points for the direction of this board, this thread has really drifted off topic. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Downloaded from Wizards Community (http://forums.gleemax.com) at 05-10-08 08:19 AM.