* * * Wizards Community Thread * * * -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Thread : More 1e ?s - offensive shield use, spell failure, etc. Started at 01-14-05 06:17 PM by Thanatos13 Visit at http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=363873 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1] Author : Thanatos13 Date : 01-14-05 06:17 PM Thread Title : More 1e ?s - offensive shield use, spell failure, etc. Hi again - I've got some more 1e questions for anyone who feels like answering them. 1) Page 28 of the DMG says that a shield can be used offensively to push or strike an opponent, but I can't find any additional writings on this matter. Does anyone know the rules for doing this? 2) Under one of the Wisdom tables in the PHB, it says "Chance of spell failure states the percentage chance of failure CLERICS with low wisdom risk when casting spells." I assume the same goes for Druids, but does it also apply to Magic-Users/Illusionists? 3) If there is an unlit pool of oil standing on the floor, is some sort of roll required to see if it is successfully lit (by throwing a torch/lantern onto it, or by kneeling down next to it to light it, etc.)? 4) I never understood why the same weapon will do different amounts of damage to S/M or L -sized creatures. This is especially confusing to me considering that some weapons will hurt larger creatures more than smaller ones, while other weapons will hurt larger creatures less than smaller ones. Does anyone know why this is??? Thanks in advance to anyone who responds! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 2] Author : Torack Date : 01-15-05 07:06 AM 1) Page 28 of the DMG says that a shield can be used offensively to push or strike an opponent, but I can't find any additional writings on this matter. Does anyone know the rules for doing this? Can't find anything regarding this. The closest relating to this is the Shield Proficiency described in the Player's Option books. 2) Under one of the Wisdom tables in the PHB, it says "Chance of spell failure states the percentage chance of failure CLERICS with low wisdom risk when casting spells." I assume the same goes for Druids, but does it also apply to Magic-Users/Illusionists? It doesn't apply to Magic-Users or Illusionists. They use a different ability for their spellcasting. 3) If there is an unlit pool of oil standing on the floor, is some sort of roll required to see if it is successfully lit (by throwing a torch/lantern onto it, or by kneeling down next to it to light it, etc.)? It depends on the action. Tossing it would require an attack roll IMO, modified by the size of the pool. Kneeling next to it and lighting it in that way won't. Remember that Advanced Dungeons and Dragons relies heavily on homebrew rules, unlike the 3rd Edition and Version 3.5 Dungeons and Dragons. 4) I never understood why the same weapon will do different amounts of damage to S/M or L -sized creatures. This is especially confusing to me considering that some weapons will hurt larger creatures more than smaller ones, while other weapons will hurt larger creatures less than smaller ones. Does anyone know why this is??? Well, as I always looked at it, bigger creatures have bigger bones, tougher skin etc. and it would require more force to do similar damage then the it would require for a medium or small creature. The more damage then small or medium creatures always threw me off, but again, if you look at it from the weapons perspective, a large weapon will likely cause more damage to a large creature simply because its easier to hit and someone wielding such a weapon can simply place more force behind it, thus doing more damage. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 3] Author : diaglo Date : 01-19-05 07:39 AM Hi again - I've got some more 1e questions for anyone who feels like answering them. 1) Page 28 of the DMG says that a shield can be used offensively to push or strike an opponent, but I can't find any additional writings on this matter. Does anyone know the rules for doing this? not much for remembering pages numbers and such myself... but a shield bash.. that's what we called it... is like using a second weapon. so you lose the shield for AC. you suffer the penalties (for both your normal weapon and the shield) to hit based on dex. and damage is like 1d4 or something. or something like that. iirc the UA and Dragon Magazine got more into this when people really got into the dual wielding drow ranger :rolleyes: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 4] Author : eshombrule Date : 01-26-05 06:35 PM On the subject of the torch going into the puddle of oil, you can have: A Dexterity check or an attack roll (giving the pool a AC based on how hard of an action the torch thrower is trying to complete) A saving throw for the liquid vs normal fire (as stated on page 80 in the DMG) I would require all three if it was from a distance or a dex check and a save vs. fire for the oil in question. ~eshombrule -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 5] Author : Stonebeard Date : 01-29-05 02:36 PM I don't have the books (okay PDFs) right in front of me at the moment but I'd be looking in the pumelling rules in the DMG to cover the use of a shield bash. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 6] Author : Faraer Date : 01-30-05 02:33 PM 1. and 3. Make something up. You don't need fixed rules for everything. 4. Large monsters are more vulnerable to large piercing and slashing weapons, because there's more of them to pierce or slash, whereas they're less vulnerable to bludgeoning weapons because of their mass. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 7] Author : failhelm Date : 02-01-05 01:47 PM Hi again - I've got some more 1e questions for anyone who feels like answering them. 1) Page 28 of the DMG says that a shield can be used offensively to push or strike an opponent, but I can't find any additional writings on this matter. Does anyone know the rules for doing this? There really aren't really except for the buckler shield weapon prof. Go with what you think works - I do 1-3/1-2 but you can knock people down. 2) Under one of the Wisdom tables in the PHB, it says "Chance of spell failure states the percentage chance of failure CLERICS with low wisdom risk when casting spells." I assume the same goes for Druids, but does it also apply to Magic-Users/Illusionists? It is also for Druids - this was in an Errata but never published. As already stated magic-users/illusionists do not rely upon wisdom so no. 3) If there is an unlit pool of oil standing on the floor, is some sort of roll required to see if it is successfully lit (by throwing a torch/lantern onto it, or by kneeling down next to it to light it, etc.)? Up to you, I would say no, unless the PC is under extreme stress and trying to use flint & steel. 4) I never understood why the same weapon will do different amounts of damage to S/M or L -sized creatures. This is especially confusing to me considering that some weapons will hurt larger creatures more than smaller ones, while other weapons will hurt larger creatures less than smaller ones. Does anyone know why this is??? I believe this is trying to emulated a mass vs. mass issue - some DM's discard these rules. - I like them :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 8] Author : weasel fierce Date : 02-10-05 03:12 AM The combat rules reflect that large, powerfull weapons like two handed swords, pikes and such, were historically used to fell cavalry and similar. On the other side of it, puny weapons like a club or dagger wouldnt do much. A lot of people ditch the rule though, and the game works just as well without them. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Downloaded from Wizards Community (http://forums.gleemax.com) at 05-10-08 08:18 AM.