* * * Wizards Community Thread * * * -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Thread : Polar Cap to Polar Hole? Started at 02-01-05 07:43 PM by Hugin Visit at http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=373418 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1] Author : Hugin Date : 02-01-05 07:43 PM Thread Title : Polar Cap to Polar Hole? I've been doing a lot of reading as of late on the history of mystara, and I'm a little confused as to the references to polar caps. So here it is; Have the polar openings always existed? I don't recall reading anything saying that they were created so I assume they have always been in place. If they have always been in place, the Great Rain of Fire that shifted the axis of Mystara coincidently shifted the holes to be the perfect "polar openings". What I'm saying is either before OR after the GRoF, the polar openings must not be in alignment with the planet's north-south axis. Anybody out there have an answer for a confudeled fellow? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 2] Author : lonewolf Date : 02-01-05 07:56 PM I dont know the source for this, but in Thorfs History of Mystara (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=369102) the following is stated after the GRoF: ... The Immortals create new, gigantic, fog-clad openings to the outside world at the location of the new poles, and seal up the former (smaller) polar openings. ... EDIT: I just noticed a source mark for it in the history. It seems to stand in the Hollow World Campaing Setting. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 3] Author : Hugin Date : 02-01-05 09:21 PM EDIT: I just noticed a source mark for it in the history. It seems to stand in the Hollow World Campaing Setting. Thanks, lonewolf. I found it in the HW DM's book. So this raises another question (I seem to be perpetually :confused: ). Well it's more just curiousity I guess. Where are the locations of the old polar openings, i.e. what is there now? It's probably only a matter of opinion though. EDIT: I appologize for my stupidity! I just looked at a pre-cataclysmic map of Mystara and found what I was wondering. I did notice something though; the elves migrated from a land that becomes the new south pole, to a land (the Sylvan Realm) that seems to have been the old north pole. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 4] Author : Spellweaver Date : 02-02-05 04:18 AM Thanks, lonewolf. I found it in the HW DM's book. So this raises another question (I seem to be perpetually :confused: ). Well it's more just curiousity I guess. Where are the locations of the old polar openings, i.e. what is there now? It's probably only a matter of opinion though. EDIT: I appologize for my stupidity! I just looked at a pre-cataclysmic map of Mystara and found what I was wondering. I did notice something though; the elves migrated from a land that becomes the new south pole, to a land (the Sylvan Realm) that seems to have been the old north pole. For those of us who don't have the maps for comparison can you please describe where the old polar openings are on present-day Mystara and what is there now? :-) Jesper -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 5] Author : stanles Date : 02-02-05 04:51 AM For those of us who don't have the maps for comparison can you please describe where the old polar openings are on present-day Mystara and what is there now? :-) Jesper according to the timeline in the Hollow World boxed set the old polar openings were much smaller affairs, but the immortals sealed them up anyway. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 6] Author : DM Date : 02-02-05 10:10 AM IIRC and my visual memory doesn't fail me, the old north pole should be where now lies the central part of Hyborea (or off its north-central coasts) The old south pole should be off the easternmost coasts of Vulcania. For what it's worth... ;) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 7] Author : Agent Dark Star Date : 03-06-05 02:38 AM I am just wondering how the Immortals could have done that considering the World Shield (the magic draining ore in the center of the mantle) is suppost to nullify Immortal magic as well as mortal magic. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 8] Author : Hugin Date : 03-06-05 11:18 PM That's a good question! The best I can come up with is that they had to manipulate the crust surrounding and containing the World Shield (handle the Boston Creme donut while not touching the cremey center :drool: ). Not only that, but the planet's rotation would be affected by the off-set center of gravity. It's possible they used that to their benefit. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 9] Author : Joe Mason Date : 03-06-05 11:49 PM I am just wondering how the Immortals could have done that considering the World Shield (the magic draining ore in the center of the mantle) is suppost to nullify Immortal magic as well as mortal magic. I assume the World Shield is actually only impervious to the work of individual Immortals, and that a large and powerful enough group of Immortals, with each Sphere represented, could affect it. (A group like, obviously, the Council of the Hollow World.) This leaves open the possibility that an Anti-Hollow World faction could organize and try to destroy it, but I that'd definitely cause a major Immortal war, so such a group would have a very hard time recruiting after WotI. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 10] Author : Monteblanco Date : 03-07-05 07:13 AM The Hollow World concept is a later addition to Mystara. It is understandable that a few contradictions remains unless you accept some serious rewriting or push too much some explanations. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 11] Author : katana_one Date : 03-07-05 12:49 PM I am just wondering how the Immortals could have done that considering the World Shield (the magic draining ore in the center of the mantle) is suppost to nullify Immortal magic as well as mortal magic. If I recall correctly, Immortal magic is the only magic that can penetrate the World-Shield (which does not drain magic, it merely blocks it). Rheddrian's staff (an Immortal artifact) is capable of communicating through it. However, I don't have any of my books with me at the moment so I can't verify this. Am I mis-remembering things again? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 12] Author : Culture20 Date : 03-07-05 08:32 PM The Hollow world source book makes mention of only one affect that the world shield has on immortal magic: A few hundred miles deep, he [KA, c20] found the World-Shield, a belt of magical matter several miles thick. The presence of the World-Shield explained why he'd never detected the hollowness in the earth before: The shield didn't just provide the pull of gravity for the Known World, it also acted as an anti-magic barrier of incredible power. All the scrying magic in the world could not detect it, much less penetrate it. Considering that Ka was Immortal at this time, it means that standard Immortal scrying never saw the interior of the world. Of course, it could have just meant that he never bothered to look there until after he manually explored the crator. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Downloaded from Wizards Community (http://forums.gleemax.com) at 05-10-08 09:28 AM.