* * * Wizards Community Thread * * * -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Thread : Gamma World and Star Frontiers Started at 02-23-05 11:30 PM by WizzyBlackmore Visit at http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=384530 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1] Author : WizzyBlackmore Date : 02-23-05 11:30 PM Thread Title : Gamma World and Star Frontiers Anyone know where I can get old GW and SF stuff or is there a list of old material like the Acaeum for D&D??? Anyone looking to get rid of Gamma World stuff?? Or Star Frontiers?? Sell / trade?? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 2] Author : Vilaad the Bound Date : 02-24-05 01:58 AM Thread Title : gw & sf stuff Hey Wizzy- Cool to see you're interested in those two games, I've managed to collect stuff from them. I do remember seeing a list of products for them somewhere but I can't seem to recall where. Anyway TSR had four (!) editions of Gamma World and the original Star Frontiers was released in two formats. If you'd like I could try to build a general list, though I don't know if that'll help much. Also back when Dragon Mag covered other games there are many articles featuring both games. If you have specific questions you may PM me. --------VtB -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 3] Author : GreyLord Date : 02-24-05 08:13 AM Well, hmm, there used to be a place that had the SF material with it, though I'm not doing a lookup of it for you, sorry. I do know that some hobby shops have SF materials second hand, in fact I saw two sets in a local hobby shop in Georgia just recently within the past month. For GW, the same holds true though it's not as easy to find, I did see one set in the past month. For some houserules and other supplementary stuff you could try this location http://www.geocities.com/paforge/ Hope you the best of luck. Also, Gamma World has two d20 versions. The first and best (in my opinion) was one that came out in Polyhedron called Omega World. It was fast furious, and well made with the D20 rules. The other one that has come out more recently and more officially was called Gamma World. It uses the D20 modern rules and I personally didn't like the rules they used for it...however you could check it out and form your own opinion of it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 4] Author : WizzyBlackmore Date : 02-24-05 08:47 AM Thanks for the help fellas... What's the difference b/n the 1978, 1983 and 1986 GW editions (1st -3rd ed.)?? Is it like the 1978, 1981 and 1983 Basic D&D set editions difference-wise?? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 5] Author : rogueattorney Date : 02-24-05 11:54 AM Thanks for the help fellas... What's the difference b/n the 1978, 1983 and 1986 GW editions (1st -3rd ed.)?? The first two editions are quite similar. The third and later editions are quite different from the first two and from each other. R.A. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 6] Author : RobertFisher Date : 02-24-05 12:06 PM Go to starfrontiers.com (http://www.starfrontiers.com/). Click on the Rules & Modules links on the left side. This guy actually got written permission from TSR to put the SF stuff on the web for free. I found the expanded rulebook (which can be used all by itself) at second-hand bookstores & have seen a couple more copies on shelves since. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 7] Author : WizzyBlackmore Date : 02-26-05 12:28 PM so if I have the 1st ed of GW do I need the 1986 ed.??? Whatever that one is?? Or is it like 2nd ed. D&D (did I already ask this?) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 8] Author : WizzyBlackmore Date : 02-26-05 12:35 PM BTW what is SF Alpha Dawn....2nd Ed. SF?? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 9] Author : weasel fierce Date : 02-26-05 04:13 PM Original Gamma World was based off AD&D sort of loose ly. Then they switched to the Alternity system, and then finally D20. I'd also recommend looking online for Metamorphosis Alpha, which was the prequel, and a very atmospheric game. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 10] Author : Stonebeard Date : 02-26-05 07:06 PM BTW what is SF Alpha Dawn....2nd Ed. SF?? Chuckle, at a guess i'd say SF = Star Frontiers -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 11] Author : Vilaad the Bound Date : 02-26-05 07:40 PM Hey Wizzy -- First Ed Gamma World? Cool. I have the Second Ed box set. But to clarify your question, 1 and 2 Eds are very similar, some minor changes, improved components. Very compatible with each other, and as you might know, compatible with D&D. You don't need The 3rd Ed stuff (the mechanics were somewhat based on TSR's other systems of the times). But from what I understand, they reinvented the backstory and added an overall story-arc for the campaign. * As for your question what is Alpha Dawn? It is exactly the same as the original set, except for the name change. * Hope this helps.. ---VtB -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 12] Author : GreyLord Date : 02-26-05 08:07 PM BTW what is SF Alpha Dawn....2nd Ed. SF?? Basically in a nutshell. I think Alpha Dawn came with a few more items than the original. However some other interesting SF materials would be found from Knight Hawks, and the last edition which I played which was Zebulon's guide. Personally I didn't like many of the rules of Zebulon's guide too much, though it did have some interesting ideas. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 13] Author : RobertFisher Date : 02-26-05 08:45 PM As for your question what is Alpha Dawn? It is exactly the same as the original set, except for the name change. Yeah. What I've been told is that when they came out with Knight Hawks, they renamed the original SF set "Alpha Dawn" so as to distinguish it from KH. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 14] Author : WizzyBlackmore Date : 02-27-05 12:13 AM Ok then so is Knights Hawk 2nd Ed. Star Front.? Is it necessary? An addition to 1st ed.? Or a new revised game.... I ask these questions because this shite is hard to get and is expensive...want to get the right stuff....... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 15] Author : WizzyBlackmore Date : 02-27-05 12:20 AM Also....I scored a MINT Gamma World 1st ed. box set (holding my breathe until it comes and is confirmed as ultra tasty) AND I also bought a from the looks of it decent condition 1986 Gamma World Box Set (3rd. ED???). If I have the ist ed.....do I need the 1986 version?.....I guess I need to check this stuff out myself...... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 16] Author : Vilaad the Bound Date : 02-27-05 01:01 AM Wizzy -- Congrats on getting that 1st Ed set. I know I'd like to have one.. As for needing the 3rd Ed, it is different from the first, I guess you'd have to try them both to get which flavor you like better. * As for your SF question, KnightHawks was an expansion to the Alpha Dawn (original) set. The focus of KH added rules to use starship-level combat and adventures. i guess you could say that both together make a complete SF set.. * I do hope you enjoy your Gamma World scores, please let us know how you like them. ---VtB -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 17] Author : GreyLord Date : 02-27-05 10:59 AM Wizzy -- Congrats on getting that 1st Ed set. I know I'd like to have one.. As for needing the 3rd Ed, it is different from the first, I guess you'd have to try them both to get which flavor you like better. * As for your SF question, KnightHawks was an expansion to the Alpha Dawn (original) set. The focus of KH added rules to use starship-level combat and adventures. i guess you could say that both together make a complete SF set.. * I do hope you enjoy your Gamma World scores, please let us know how you like them. ---VtB Yes, and with that, my favorite adventure uses the second edition (Alpha Dawns/Knight Hawks) rules...aka Dramune Run. Awesome module. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 18] Author : WizzyBlackmore Date : 02-27-05 03:24 PM Was there only 1 1st ed. Box set for Star frontiers.......then the 2 Alpha Dawn and Knight Hawks for a total of 3 Box Sets??? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 19] Author : rogueattorney Date : 02-28-05 11:28 AM Was there only 1 1st ed. Box set for Star frontiers.......then the 2 Alpha Dawn and Knight Hawks for a total of 3 Box Sets??? Originally in about 1980, they did a Star Frontiers boxed set. In about 1983 they re-released it re-titled Star Frontiers Alpha Dawn. The only difference is the name. The box has the exact same contents. With the release of Alpha Dawn, they also released Star Frontiers Knight Hawks. As others have said, Knight Hawks dealt with more ship-to-ship space battles. So really, there was only two box sets. R.A. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 20] Author : chatdemon Date : 02-28-05 02:13 PM Star Frontiers had no "second edition". Alpha Dawn was added to the name to distinguish it from Knight Hawks, which is simply expanded rules for spaceships, including a quick and dirty ship to ship skirmish wargame. Zebulon's Guide was another expansion, with new races, weapons and such, as well as an optional alternative skill system. Opinions on ZG vary greatly from player to player. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 21] Author : WizzyBlackmore Date : 02-28-05 08:35 PM Cool thanks for the info.....Gamma World box came today.......1981...amazing condtion, box is near mint except for 1/4" scuff on lid, book is perfect, it came w/ s mint maps.....I thought it came w/ a module , I guess not.......... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 22] Author : WizzyBlackmore Date : 03-05-05 11:25 AM Kengar got your email...replied.....cheers! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 23] Author : Attila Date : 03-27-05 12:02 AM Thread Title : Star Frontiers SF is a great game that's still played by many loyal fans. I've managed to collect all of the SF materials except for Zebulon's guide and the character sheets. I do have them in electronic format though. As stated previously, there was only one edition of SF. The original boxed set did not include rules for building and flying spaceships. That was covered by SF Knight Hawks. After KH was released they renamed the original set Alpha Dawn to distinguish. Both sets are identical (I own both) except for the Alpha Dawn name pasted on the cover. Zebulon's Guide was the first part of a planned revision to SF and introduced a new system of skills as well as additional equipment, races and background information. During the development of Zeb's Guide, TSR acquired the rights to Buck Rogers and decided to produce a game under that name. That meant SF was to be discontinued. Zeb's Guide was released half-finished and as such doesn't quite replace the original rules. Fans have developed their own revised rules and hybrids. I was able to find all of the modules as well as unopened boxed sets (AD and KH) on Amazon.com Z-shops. The Knight Hawks boxed sets are a little harder to find than the Alpha Dawn sets. The only module you will have trouble finding is Mission to Alcazaar which for some reason is much rarer than the others. The other modules sell for from 3-10 bucks each. There are also a bunch of magazine articles (whatever TSR's magazine was then) with additional semi-official expansion materials. I have all of those on PDF. There are several good websites that have the complete product and magazine article listing. Unfortunately I don't have those links currently due to a hard drive crash but would be happy to post if I get them back. SF is a great game that I would love to see brought back. Always glad to see another fan or interested person. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 24] Author : WizzyBlackmore Date : 03-27-05 03:08 AM So all my SF sets came... 2 1982 Sets both VG to Ex...... (SF 1st appeared in '82 not '80 as the TSR logo states) 1 Alpha Dawn Set 1983 good cond. AD is exactly the same except for box and covers of rule books.....original and AD rule books both state 1st pressing July 1982 or something.... 2 Knight Hawks: 1 ex, 1 good..... will keep....the best '82 and 1983 KH sets wasted a ton of money on these, so will now list them on EBay...... anyone know how many lead miniature box sets TSR put out for SF??? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 25] Author : berentiu Date : 05-09-05 08:29 AM Here's a link to a pretty comprehensive checklist of every product for Star Frontiers, including magazine articles and miniatures. http://www2.hku.nl/~richard/cc/checks/CC_StarFrontiers_1.0.zip -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 26] Author : berentiu Date : 05-09-05 12:00 PM Here's a link to a pretty comprehensive checklist Hmm, wrong checklist, that one doesn't have the mags and minis. I know there's one out there that does, I'll find it and report back. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 27] Author : beavis123 Date : 05-09-05 03:11 PM Thread Title : if you check out Ebay has from time to time lots of StarFrontiers products. At reduced prices. I have all the original stuff, I thought it was a great game. Zebulon's Guide had some ideas, but fell way short. I did a d20 version of the original and Zebulon's Guide. it turned out pretty well. My favorite module is Dark side of the Moon. It was one of the best of the 80s. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 28] Author : TLomon Date : 06-06-05 01:19 AM Boy this brings back memories. I had fun with Knight Hawks when it came out. With regards to Gamma World, I actually started off with Metamorphis Alpha, which later became the foundation for GW. Oh, and an interesting tie in. In the Greyspace supplement for Spelljammer, you can encounter the Metamorphis Alpha ship in space. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 29] Author : WizzyBlackmore Date : 06-11-05 01:36 PM I bought the 2 SF lead ship box sets on Ebay, sealed cheap, anyway I opened 1, comes w/ stand alone rules for ship to ship battles.....a minigame....how cool is that!>!>! I miss the the early 80's! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Downloaded from Wizards Community (http://forums.gleemax.com) at 05-10-08 08:16 AM.