* * * Wizards Community Thread * * * -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Thread : The ESD project Started at 05-05-05 08:07 PM by stanles Visit at http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=424985 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1] Author : stanles Date : 05-05-05 08:07 PM Thread Title : The ESD project One of the things which went up at the last update was news of the ESD project, something I've been thinking about for a while. There's been heaps of comments about stuff missing from the ESD downloads, and apparently no one on the companies side is interested in doing anything about it. So I thought, well if the official site can't do something about it (ie hosting the missing sections of these downloads, then who can? (well who can legally is what I mean)). Now I don't own any of the ESD products myself so that's where I need your help to compile a list of what's missing. Of course I'll have to be discriminating when taking on board what people say but I hope that with enough information from enough people that I can compile an accurate list of what is truly missing. Of course I did have to come up with this idea just before moving half way around the world with all of my stuff in Australia, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it) The officials at Wizards have given the green light for me too look into this but I'll still have to pass the actual final list of things that I'm going to upload. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 2] Author : Spellweaver Date : 05-05-05 08:24 PM Sounds great, and I'll be happy to provide you with a list of what ESDs I have and what game products I have in case you need scans of actual products. :-) Jesper -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 3] Author : Kheldren Date : 05-06-05 08:09 AM I also have a lot of hard copies of Mystara stuff and I can get access to a scanner so I can providing missing stuff if needed. Unfortunately I don't have any of the ESDs to comment on what is missing :( -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 4] Author : Dave L Date : 05-06-05 07:30 PM I tried to e-mail you at the vaults, but kept getting the message returned. This is what I am aware of as missing from ESD's: B2 - Map & tables from the centre missing Northern Reaches & Ethengar Gazeteers - no maps HWR1 - Sons of Azca - no maps X10 - missing sheet of counters I have now bought on ebay hard copies of Northern Reaches and HWR1, and the Ethengar Gazetteer is in transit. Scanning maps, however is a fiddly business at best - If you can eventually do PDF's of them, that would be fantastic! I don't have the X10 ESD yet, but on RPGNow.com the feedback from one customer stated that the counters were missing, which is where I got my info from. Someone sent me the missing pages from B2 as a pdf file - I tried to attach it the the e-mail, would that have caused it to be returned? If I find out any more missing bits I will let you know. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 5] Author : stanles Date : 05-06-05 09:32 PM Sounds great, and I'll be happy to provide you with a list of what ESDs I have and what game products I have in case you need scans of actual products. :-) Jesper yeah Jesper if you can provide me a list of what ESDs you have that have stuff missing that'd be cool. And I guess a whole list of stuff as well so I know that those things don't have stuff missing, then that would help too hey. Cheers. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 6] Author : stanles Date : 05-06-05 09:35 PM I tried to e-mail you at the vaults, but kept getting the message returned. This is what I am aware of as missing from ESD's: B2 - Map & tables from the centre missing Northern Reaches & Ethengar Gazeteers - no maps HWR1 - Sons of Azca - no maps X10 - missing sheet of counters I have now bought on ebay hard copies of Northern Reaches and HWR1, and the Ethengar Gazetteer is in transit. Scanning maps, however is a fiddly business at best - If you can eventually do PDF's of them, that would be fantastic! I don't have the X10 ESD yet, but on RPGNow.com the feedback from one customer stated that the counters were missing, which is where I got my info from. Someone sent me the missing pages from B2 as a pdf file - I tried to attach it the the e-mail, would that have caused it to be returned? If I find out any more missing bits I will let you know. yeah the email on the Vaults mustn't be working ... hmmm, no comment. Try me at mystara@tpg.com.au that'll work. No need to go with sending me scans yet, we'll do this on the up and up as much as possible and wait till I get confirmation that I can put stuff up. And cheers for all that Dave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 7] Author : Dave L Date : 05-09-05 06:39 AM Saw the link posted on the MML to this thread: http://www.dragonsfoot.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11240 which is very useful for this topic. Then I read this: And finally from Dave Arneson's site for free: Original D&D Supplement 2: Blackmoor. Excellent scan. Should print beautifully. Extremely readable. Searched for it on google, and lo and behold: http://www.jovianclouds.com/blackmoor/index.html With the original supplement as a free pdf download. Does anyone know if this is the same as the ESD on RPGNow.com? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 8] Author : havard Date : 05-09-05 07:03 AM Searched for it on google, and lo and behold: http://www.jovianclouds.com/blackmoor/index.html With the original supplement as a free pdf download. Does anyone know if this is the same as the ESD on RPGNow.com? I suspect that it is. I noticed that several of the pdfs available for free elsewhere, such as on WotC's site are also for sale... Håvard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 9] Author : Thorf Date : 05-09-05 12:50 PM This is an excellent idea! I talked about collating a list of all the errors back in January, but my mapping project took over from it, and anyway your idea is much more ambitious. :) In any case, I have probably more than half the ESDs, so when I get a chance I will definitely contribute some info for the cause. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 10] Author : Chris.Nix Date : 05-09-05 05:02 PM My ESD version of X10 had dodgy maps. I think half the map got repeated -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 11] Author : maddog Date : 05-11-05 09:47 AM Thread Title : Missing and bad parts of X10....... My ESD version of X10 had dodgy maps. I think half the map got repeated I have the orginal to X10 with the counters and map. I already scanned them for my own use so if they are needed, I can provide them to the Vaults. Shawn, email me at derek_cleric at yahoo dot com and we can get this figured out. --Ray. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 12] Author : stanles Date : 05-11-05 06:35 PM I have the orginal to X10 with the counters and map. I already scanned them for my own use so if they are needed, I can provide them to the Vaults. Shawn, email me at derek_cleric at yahoo dot com and we can get this figured out. --Ray. thanks Ray, I'll keep you in mind. But first I will wait till I get everything compiled, then that list will have to go past Wizards to see if the things are given final approval to go up. Once that happens then I'll start getting everything together. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 13] Author : Dave L Date : 05-14-05 05:15 AM Here's a note from a review on RPGNow.com of DDA4 - Thy Dymrak Dread: The module does not come with a DM's map (scale map), only the full poster map which (although in color) is divided up into small sections (1/8ths) AND IS INCOMPLETE. The poster map is missing 1 piece (The upper right hand corner of Level 2). This makes it rather impossible to use the poster map, and may throw a beginning DM which isn't experienced enough to reconstruct the missing portion from the text descriptions. Also, the stand-up figures which came with the original print product are not reproduced in the scan, which was a dispointment. Also, a note re. GAZ7 Northern Reaches. Although both sides of the map have not been scanned, the buildings to use on the reverse of the map are included in the scan. Wierd. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 14] Author : stanles Date : 05-14-05 05:45 AM Here's a note from a review on RPGNow.com of DDA4 - Thy Dymrak Dread: Also, a note re. GAZ7 Northern Reaches. Although both sides of the map have not been scanned, the buildings to use on the reverse of the map are included in the scan. Wierd. wow that is weird. I fonly I had my maps with me, I've got access to an A0 scanner. And since many of the problems thus far seem to be with the maps then such a device would help greatly. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 15] Author : Thorf Date : 05-14-05 11:24 AM wow that is weird. I fonly I had my maps with me, I've got access to an A0 scanner. And since many of the problems thus far seem to be with the maps then such a device would help greatly. I would love a day's access to that sort of scanner. It would help me rather a lot in my mapping project to have single image scans of all the maps. Shawn, since the capability is there, might I suggest that you include fully assembled (1 image) scans of maps in the list of missing files that you submit to Wizards of the Coast? Anyone who has tried to piece together the ESD maps will already know that the borders between the scans are missing 95% of the time, resulting in a map full of holes - assuming you can even line them up at all. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 16] Author : Sheridan Date : 05-15-05 07:18 AM Thread Title : OMO (Other Module Ommisions) The Blackmoor module PDFs DA3 (City of the Gods) and DA4 (Dutchy of Ten) have each other's pages 45 and 46 (that is, DA3 has pages 45-46 from DA4 and DA4 has pages 45-46 from DA3). I'm looking forward to this project as my current party is running through X10 from the PDF and some of the forces are missing! :eek: Take care all, *Sheridan -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 17] Author : stanles Date : 05-15-05 08:55 AM I would love a day's access to that sort of scanner. It would help me rather a lot in my mapping project to have single image scans of all the maps. Shawn, since the capability is there, might I suggest that you include fully assembled (1 image) scans of maps in the list of missing files that you submit to Wizards of the Coast? Anyone who has tried to piece together the ESD maps will already know that the borders between the scans are missing 95% of the time, resulting in a map full of holes - assuming you can even line them up at all. we'll see what the overall list comes out as. I haven't started compiling things yet but I don't recall issues from people trying to join maps together. In fact until your message I didn't even know how the maps were provided in the ESDs. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 18] Author : stanles Date : 05-15-05 08:56 AM The Blackmoor module PDFs DA3 (City of the Gods) and DA4 (Dutchy of Ten) have each other's pages 45 and 46 (that is, DA3 has pages 45-46 from DA4 and DA4 has pages 45-46 from DA3). I'm looking forward to this project as my current party is running through X10 from the PDF and some of the forces are missing! :eek: Take care all, *Sheridan which forces Sheridan? but all up for DA3 and DA4 all the pages are there eventually? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 19] Author : Sheridan Date : 05-15-05 12:31 PM which forces Sheridan? but all up for DA3 and DA4 all the pages are there eventually? I'd have to double check for X10 (don't have it handy right now), but if memory serves, a sheet of the breakdown of the forces which included the BR, number of troops, etc. was missing. If you have both DA3 and DA4 in PDF, you have all the right pages, just not in the right files! The two incorrect pages in each replace the two missing pages (at least the page *numbers* are correct). *Sheridan -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 20] Author : maddog Date : 05-15-05 01:30 PM Thread Title : X10 missing pages..... I'd have to double check for X10 (don't have it handy right now), but if memory serves, a sheet of the breakdown of the forces which included the BR, number of troops, etc. was missing. That sounds like either the inside of the front and back cover or maybe the War Machine section where you're suppose to use to keep track of the casualities and fatigue for each unit. --Ray. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 21] Author : Thorf Date : 05-16-05 04:41 AM Thread Title : Some contributions... Since I don't own all of these, I decided to list the attributes of each PDF. Where I do own the original, and can therefore confirm the contents, I have done so. Searchable text refers to text that has been scanned, and therefore is selectable and searchable in Acrobat Reader. Being able to search the text in a PDF greatly increases its usefulness, in my opinion at least. I have a lot of PDFs, so I'm going to post them as I get the time to do it. AC1 The Shady Dragon Inn Covers, 32 pages, 6 pages of maps intact. Searchable text. Reasonably good scan. Sometimes the text on the page behind shows through a little. AC2 Combat Shield and Mini-adventure Covers and fold out panel, corresponding inside covers, 8 pages. Selectable/searchable text in 8 page adventure. Reasonably good scan. Sometimes the text on the page behind shows through a little. Slight tape mark on front cover. AC3 3-D Dragon Tiles featuring The Kidnapping of Princess Arelina Covers, 8 pages, 7 sheets of 3-D tiles, front and back of DM Sheet, 4 (identical?) stone base sheets (3-D tile backs?). Text is only partially selectable in the booklet. Reasonable scan. Sometimes the text on the page behind shows through a little. DM Sheet scan cuts off the left hand edge of the symbols. No sign of 3-D Figure Sheet 2 or 2-D Feature Tile Sheet 1. This accessory would really need to be examined by someone who has access to the complete printed version. AC4 The Book of Marvelous Magic Covers, 80 pages. Slight scuffing and graininess on covers. Text largely but not all searchable. Reasonably good scan. Sometimes the text on the page behind shows through a little. Verified as complete. AC5 3-D Dragon Tiles featuring The Revenge of Rusak Covers, 8 pages, 5 sheets of 3-D tiles, 2 sheets of 2-D tiles, 2 base sheets, 1 forest base sheet. Text largely but not all searchable. Reasonably good scan. Sometimes the text on the page behind shows through a little. This accessory would really need to be examined by someone who has access to the complete printed version. AC7 Master Player's Screen featuring The Spindle Covers, 8 pages (repeated twice), 4 inside covers (1 page repeated 4 times). Scuffing on covers. Searchable text. Reasonably good scan. Sometimes the text on the page behind shows through a little. Other than all the redundant duplication, this is a pretty good scan. AC10 Bestiary of Giants and Dragons Covers, corresponding inside covers, 64 pages, 4 sheet Spell Generator. Slight creasing on covers. TSR Library marks present but not obscuring anything. Searchable text. Reasonably good scan. Sometimes the text on the page behind shows through a little. Regarding the way maps are presented in the ESDs: each map has been scanned in 8 (or more) segments, and inserted into the PDF as individual pages. The pages are not perfectly straight, and occasionally some are even wildly skewed to one side. The worst part, as I mentioned, is that even if you print these pages out and cut off the blank edges, you will not be able to join them up. This is because the scanners failed to scan the folds of the maps. Sometimes the gap is only a few millimetres, other times it can be as much as a few centimetres. I have definitely seen references to this problem on this message board in the past, but I can't remember which threads it was I'm afraid. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 22] Author : Dave L Date : 05-16-05 04:58 AM Regarding the way maps are presented in the ESDs: each map has been scanned in 8 (or more) segments, and inserted into the PDF as individual pages. The pages are not perfectly straight, and occasionally some are even wildly skewed to one side. The worst part, as I mentioned, is that even if you print these pages out and cut off the blank edges, you will not be able to join them up. This is because the scanners failed to scan the folds of the maps. Sometimes the gap is only a few millimetres, other times it can be as much as a few centimetres. Yes, I can confirm the problem with skewed map scans. It's fine with most pages of text - but maps don't have margins, so a skewed scan means you're losing something somewhere. Most of the time you can make out what you need, but for those trying to produce their own maps it can be a right pain. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 23] Author : Dave L Date : 06-10-05 06:19 PM Big apologies for this Shawn, but I've just realised a big one that's missing off the list. The Western Countries Trail Map - it's advertised on RPGNow as having missing pages, which is why I never bought the ESD originally. Having never seen either the ESD or the real thing, I have no idea what's missing though. Sorry. NB - If WotC allow you to post a fix though, I'll go and buy the ESD immediately! ;) Edit: BTW, I've just got the X10 ESD - no counter sheets included. Maps yes, unit rosters yes, counters, no. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 24] Author : Thorf Date : 06-11-05 04:02 AM Big apologies for this Shawn, but I've just realised a big one that's missing off the list. The Western Countries Trail Map - it's advertised on RPGNow as having missing pages, which is why I never bought the ESD originally. Having never seen either the ESD or the real thing, I have no idea what's missing though. Sorry. I have the ESD. Large sections of the poster map are missing, I'm afraid. :( Edit: BTW, I've just got the X10 ESD - no counter sheets included. Maps yes, unit rosters yes, counters, no. ARRRRRGHHHH!!!!! :hoppingma Your comment just clicked with something in my brain. Last week I got a copy of X10 that I bought through ebay, which I'm rather happy with. I had never seen it before, and I thought when I looked at the counters that they looked awfully similar to the GAZ4 Ierendi counters, but I shrugged and laid it aside. Now I realise that in fact they ARE the Ierendi counters! :uh-huh: :banghead: :nonono: :tantrum: :rant: :headexplo :allalone: This is going to be an irritating thing to fix. It was a major trader, and it was probably an honest mistake, so I can only hope that he comes through with the proper goods. :raincloud -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 25] Author : stanles Date : 06-11-05 04:47 AM I have the ESD. Large sections of the poster map are missing, I'm afraid. :( thanks Dave, and Thorf - nobody had mentioned than one yet -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 26] Author : Dave L Date : 06-11-05 05:54 AM Now I realise that in fact they ARE the Ierendi counters! :uh-huh: :banghead: :nonono: :tantrum: :rant: :headexplo :allalone: This is going to be an irritating thing to fix. It was a major trader, and it was probably an honest mistake, so I can only hope that he comes through with the proper goods. :raincloud Oh no!! That is so :censored: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 27] Author : Thorf Date : 06-15-05 03:57 AM thanks Dave, and Thorf - nobody had mentioned than one yet While I remember, HWR2 Kingdom of Nithia is missing the whole Delta Kingdom map, and the Southern Kingdom map has a large hole in the left hand side if assembled - in addition to the usual gaps between each sheet. PC3 The Sea People is missing its map, and has the adventure book twice for some reason, but is otherwise complete. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 28] Author : stanles Date : 06-15-05 06:30 AM While I remember, HWR2 Kingdom of Nithia is missing the whole Delta Kingdom map, and the Southern Kingdom map has a large hole in the left hand side if assembled - in addition to the usual gaps between each sheet. PC3 The Sea People is missing its map, and has the adventure book twice for some reason, but is otherwise complete. these ones hadn't come up before yet either. Can anyone else confirm these? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 29] Author : Spellweaver Date : 06-15-05 10:58 AM Just realised that I had never posted which ESD's I own and what's wrong with them. Here goes: My ESD's: From SVA Games (when they still sold ESD's): Saga of the Shadowlord - nothing missing except a few letters at the edge of the page here and there. The scan is not great but readable. Master of the Desert Nomads - probably the best scan I have seen. Nothing missing as far as I can tell. Temple of Death - ok scan War Rafts of Kron - ok scan Curse of Xanathon - a bit of a poor scan but still readable. Nothing missing and a very fun module to play! From RPGNow.org: Minrothad Guilds Gaz - no parts missing but some parts are very hard to read (a poor scan) :pbbbtt: Golden Khan of Ethengar Gaz - missing the entire poster map :censored: Night's Dark Terror - ok scan :-) Jesper -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 30] Author : Dave L Date : 06-17-05 06:17 PM While I remember, HWR2 Kingdom of Nithia is missing the whole Delta Kingdom map, and the Southern Kingdom map has a large hole in the left hand side if assembled - in addition to the usual gaps between each sheet. PC3 The Sea People is missing its map, and has the adventure book twice for some reason, but is otherwise complete. I have both of these ESD's, but have not seen the originals, so didn't know these bits were missing. I can confirm that PC3 does not have a poster map, if that helps. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 31] Author : stanles Date : 06-17-05 06:49 PM I have both of these ESD's, but have not seen the originals, so didn't know these bits were missing. I can confirm that PC3 does not have a poster map, if that helps. and how about Nithia? Does it have two full maps in it? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 32] Author : Dave L Date : 06-17-05 07:26 PM and how about Nithia? Does it have two full maps in it? Just managed to have a look at it. It has 8 pages of maps, which equal one normal fold out map. The legend reads: Kingdom of Nithia - Southern Region. I haven't printed it to asemble it, so can't comment on the gap. The ESD also has a single page colour overview map, which I assume was printed on the cover. No sign of a second fold out map though, so if there's a Delta Kingdom fold out map in the set, it isn't in the ESD. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 33] Author : stanles Date : 06-17-05 07:52 PM Just managed to have a look at it. It has 8 pages of maps, which equal one normal fold out map. The legend reads: Kingdom of Nithia - Southern Region. I haven't printed it to asemble it, so can't comment on the gap. The ESD also has a single page colour overview map, which I assume was printed on the cover. No sign of a second fold out map though, so if there's a Delta Kingdom fold out map in the set, it isn't in the ESD. cheers Dave the Delta Kingdom map was physically on the other side of the Southern Region map if I remember correctly, and other ESDs have missed things physically on the reverse side of maps. Yeah the overview map was on the third panel of the cover again if I recall correctly. Man this really sucks not having my own stuff here with me. Given the nature of these things I'm fairly willing to believe that the Southern region map probably does have a hole in it. Thorf seems fairly trustworthy :D -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 34] Author : Thorf Date : 06-18-05 04:00 AM Thorf seems fairly trustworthy :D Haha... :rofl: Nah, I just post these things for fun. ;) :P Anyway, I can confirm your description of HWR2's maps and gatefolds. By the way, would it be helpful if I posted some screenshots like this? http://www.maeshowe.co.uk/thorf/misc/hwr2.jpg Some of the clipping on the borders of the map is probably mine, but the gaps and holes in the map are not. I put a yellow background to show up the gaps better, and also note that many or all of the pages had to be rotated in order to fit together. It would have been an extremely difficult job without the hex grid overlay that I used to align everything. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 35] Author : Dave L Date : 06-18-05 05:00 AM Some of the clipping on the borders of the map is probably mine, but the gaps and holes in the map are not. I put a yellow background to show up the gaps better, and also note that many or all of the pages had to be rotated in order to fit together. It would have been an extremely difficult job without the hex grid overlay that I used to align everything. Yep, that screenshot shows what I've got. Re. the rotating, I've noticed it in 1 or 2 other ESD's. If they scanned a section in upside down, why on earth couldn't they be bothered to rotate it before including it in the ESD? :confused: The more I look through the map scans especially, the more I think "Sloppy work, just sloppy". And to think they were paid to do it! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 36] Author : Thorf Date : 06-18-05 05:07 AM Re. the rotating, I've noticed it in 1 or 2 other ESD's. If they scanned a section in upside down, why on earth couldn't they be bothered to rotate it before including it in the ESD? :confused: It's worse than that, I'm afraid. Just having a few pages upside down is a pain for looking at the PDF, but no problem for printing. But having the pages all scanned at different angles is a much worse problem. That's what I meant by rotation - not 180 degrees but a much smaller number, like 0.5, 1, 3, etc. It sounds insignificant, but when it comes to putting the maps together, it's a huge issue. The more I look through the map scans especially, the more I think "Sloppy work, just sloppy". And to think they were paid to do it! I agree with you completely. I'm sure scanning maps isn't easy, but if you want to sell the scan, it should be done professionally. If that means renting a large flatbed scanner in order to do the maps all in one scan, so be it. :nonono: What actually happened was they scanned the maps roughly and without any care, and the result is what we pay for in ESDs now - a complete mess. :rant: Happily, I am content to remake the maps one by one, and I have them all in "hard copy" anyway, so I only really care about the ESD maps as sources for my mapmaking project. :P -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 37] Author : Thorf Date : 06-18-05 05:09 AM Thread Title : Screenshots Shawn, let me know if you want any more screenshots. Many of them I have already assembled, so it's easy to make them and put them up. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 38] Author : stanles Date : 06-18-05 07:23 AM Shawn, let me know if you want any more screenshots. Many of them I have already assembled, so it's easy to make them and put them up. nah that should be cool at the moment thanks Thorf -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 39] Author : stanles Date : 06-26-05 09:57 AM the current standing of the list is: B2 - map and tables from the centre missing, 4 pages of insets B3 - missing maps GAZ3 - third panel from left of poster map is missing GAZ7 - no maps GAZ12 - no maps HWR1 - no maps HWR2 - missing the whole Delta Kingdom map, and the Southern Kingdom map has a large hole in the left hand side X10 - missing sheet of counters, although others confirm that they're there DDA4 - no DM's map, poster map incomplete (missing right hand corner of Level 2), no stand-up figures Eldritch Wizardry - no page 4, no page 53 (may also occur in the original) AC3 - missing 3D figure sheet 2 The Western Countries Trail Map - missing parts PC3 - no maps -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 40] Author : stanles Date : 07-24-05 05:13 PM there's been no updates to this list in quite sometime so I'll assume that this list is pretty much complete. The only question really left standing which no one seems to have answered so far is whether the missing pages out of Eldritch Wizardry are actually like that in the original or not. There was a suggestion that they were like that in the original (or that might have just been one printing of it, I don't know). Either way I guess it doesn't really matter as even if this list is approved for me to host the stuff on the Vaults then if I don't get the pages to host I can't host them - and for a product like this, which I don't own, then I would probably need assistance in getting them. Anyway, this is really the last call for comment so if there is none I'll pass the list by Wizards. the current standing of the list is: B2 - map and tables from the centre missing, 4 pages of insets B3 - missing maps GAZ3 - third panel from left of poster map is missing GAZ7 - no maps GAZ12 - no maps HWR1 - no maps HWR2 - missing the whole Delta Kingdom map, and the Southern Kingdom map has a large hole in the left hand side X10 - missing sheet of counters, although others confirm that they're there DDA4 - no DM's map, poster map incomplete (missing right hand corner of Level 2), no stand-up figures Eldritch Wizardry - no page 4, no page 53 (may also occur in the original) AC3 - missing 3D figure sheet 2 The Western Countries Trail Map - missing parts PC3 - no maps -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 41] Author : Sheridan Date : 07-24-05 10:04 PM Thread Title : Blackmoor modules Another two... Two of the Blackmoor modules (the DA1-DA4 series) had several pages swapped between the two of them. I don't remember exactly which two modules, but I want to say it was DA2 and DA4. I printed the modules out and put the correct pages where they belong, so I'll have to see if I can find my original download saved somewhere. It would be difficult to spot with just a quick glance as, if I remember correctly, the page NUMBERS were correct, but they were pages from another module. I want to say it was in the "Rogues and Regents" section (or whatever the NPC section was called from those modules). -Sheridan -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 42] Author : Spellweaver Date : 07-25-05 06:00 AM the current standing of the list is: DDA4 - no DM's map, poster map incomplete (missing right hand corner of Level 2), no stand-up figures What is DDA4? I have DA4: Duchy of Ten (an old Blackmoor module), but no stand-up figures are included and I have never seen any reference indicating that there ought to be...? :-) Jesper -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 43] Author : Spellweaver Date : 07-25-05 06:02 AM Another two... Two of the Blackmoor modules (the DA1-DA4 series) had several pages swapped between the two of them. I don't remember exactly which two modules, but I want to say it was DA2 and DA4. I printed the modules out and put the correct pages where they belong, so I'll have to see if I can find my original download saved somewhere. It would be difficult to spot with just a quick glance as, if I remember correctly, the page NUMBERS were correct, but they were pages from another module. I want to say it was in the "Rogues and Regents" section (or whatever the NPC section was called from those modules). -Sheridan If anyone needs pages or maps photocopied (I don't have access to a scanner) from DA4, let me know. I have it. :-) Jesper -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 44] Author : stanles Date : 07-25-05 06:30 AM What is DDA4? I have DA4: Duchy of Ten (an old Blackmoor module), but no stand-up figures are included and I have never seen any reference indicating that there ought to be...? :-) Jesper DDA4 is the Dymrak Dread -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 45] Author : stanles Date : 07-25-05 06:31 AM Another two... Two of the Blackmoor modules (the DA1-DA4 series) had several pages swapped between the two of them. I don't remember exactly which two modules, but I want to say it was DA2 and DA4. I printed the modules out and put the correct pages where they belong, so I'll have to see if I can find my original download saved somewhere. It would be difficult to spot with just a quick glance as, if I remember correctly, the page NUMBERS were correct, but they were pages from another module. I want to say it was in the "Rogues and Regents" section (or whatever the NPC section was called from those modules). -Sheridan yeah that ones a bit more difficult, the pages are there eventually -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 46] Author : stanles Date : 08-30-05 09:58 PM I've just had a new notice about a missing page which I would like to receieve corroboration of. Does anyone else have the ESD of DA1 Adventures in Blackmoor and is there anything missing from it? thanks -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 47] Author : stanles Date : 09-02-05 06:29 AM I've just had a new notice about a missing page which I would like to receieve corroboration of. Does anyone else have the ESD of DA1 Adventures in Blackmoor and is there anything missing from it? thanks I've got a similar call of a missing page in DA2. Again, any corroboration of this news? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 48] Author : JKWolf Date : 09-02-05 08:10 PM Thread Title : Trail Maps of Mystara I have the real version of the trail maps. Eastern and Western. It ends up making a physical map of 6' by about 4'. With 3/8 hexagons. It's huge. I use it from time to time to show my players how insignificant they are in the world of Mystara. JK Wolf -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 49] Author : Gazza555 Date : 10-21-05 07:27 AM I see Paizo have started selling the ESD's. Try this (http://paizo.com/store/downloads/wizardsOfTheCoast/classicDAndD) link. I presume they are the same ESD's with the same mistakes/missing pages etc. Regards, Gary -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 50] Author : Dave L Date : 01-19-06 09:12 AM I was reading here: http://www.dragonsfoot.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11240 that someone had a copy of B10, but it was missing the maps. What a shame, I thought, my copy has the maps. :) Then I noticed a sheet of counters was mentioned. Excuse me, I thought, what sheet of counters? I have gone back to my ESD of B10, and there is no sheet of counters, but also no mention in the contents that there should be a sheet of counters. Have they got confused with the missing counters from X10? Can anyone: a) Confirm that B10 should come with a sheet of counters b) confirm that the latest download has the sheet c) or - if there is a sheet of counters, and it isn't in the newest ESD, could you email me a scan of that page, pretty please? ;) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 51] Author : gawain_viii Date : 01-19-06 12:50 PM Module B-10 does not have a sheet of counters. My module, bought original print, contains the adventure book, a poster map of Sikuskyn, maps on the inside cover (there is no foldout page on the cover), and 2 sets of maps printed on hard cardstock. Also, I have roughly 90% of all Mystara material, a high quality scanner (not a flatbed though, sorry about maps), a wife who is great with grafix (prolly not as good as Thorf tho), and a PDF creator.... So anything you would like me to do, don't hesitate. I do have a project going on, in addition to deployment exercises at work, so I may be a little slow on the return.. but work will get done if rquested of me. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 52] Author : Dave L Date : 01-19-06 05:10 PM Module B-10 does not have a sheet of counters. Thank you, that's what I needed to know. It seems my ESD is complete, after all. :D -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 53] Author : Cthulhudrew Date : 01-19-06 09:34 PM Module B-10 does not have a sheet of counters. My module, bought original print, contains the adventure book, a poster map of Sikuskyn, maps on the inside cover (there is no foldout page on the cover), and 2 sets of maps printed on hard cardstock. I no longer have them (they're boxed up or lost somewhere by now), but I recall that B10 did have counters to represent various creatures in the game- there was at least one long counter for Loshad the Centaur, some goblin and orc and gnoll counters, etc. I don't recall precisely how many, but there were definitely little cardboard counters in my copy. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 54] Author : Dave L Date : 01-20-06 03:52 AM I no longer have them (they're boxed up or lost somewhere by now), but I recall that B10 did have counters to represent various creatures in the game- there was at least one long counter for Loshad the Centaur, some goblin and orc and gnoll counters, etc. I don't recall precisely how many, but there were definitely little cardboard counters in my copy. Blast, looks like I'm incomplete after all. :( Can anyone else confirm this, and/or provide a scan of the sheet? I realise most people will have separated the counters, so this might be a long shot, but I'd like to get them if possible. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 55] Author : stanles Date : 01-20-06 04:03 AM Blast, looks like I'm incomplete after all. :( Can anyone else confirm this, and/or provide a scan of the sheet? I realise most people will have separated the counters, so this might be a long shot, but I'd like to get them if possible. I can confirm that. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 56] Author : Dave L Date : 01-21-06 06:02 AM Update on the B10 counter sheet - it is now included in the version that Paizo.com are offering for sale - hurrah! :) Edit: Nearly had a heart attack - it looked as if a map sheet was now missing from the new file, but they had put them out of order, and it was there after all. Phew! I can therefeore confirm that the new B10 file is complete. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 57] Author : Dave L Date : 01-26-06 06:58 PM Woohoo! The Paizo version of DDA4: Dymrak Dread is also complete - missing map sheet and counters have been included. I've also had an email from there webmaster about the 200 counters missing from X10: David, Our archive copy of the product is also missing the counter sheet. I've put a call out to the staff to see if anybody has a personal copy with the counter sheet If they can't track down a scan of the counters, is there anyone who would be happy to help them? Pretty Please? :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 58] Author : maddog Date : 01-26-06 07:11 PM Thread Title : I have one.... Does it have to be an unopened sheet or would a scan of the counters do? I've used mine at least once and decided to scan them after one of them was eaten by my dog. It was one of the northlanders and must have been something like this..... "The longships are sailing over heavy seas. The swells are deep but not anything as dangerous as the winter storms from last year. Suddenly, in the fog ahead, something rises out of the water. Cursing under your breath, you order the longship to turn but it is too late. The dreaded deep ocean dachshund leaps forward and engulfs the whole fleet." --Ray. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 59] Author : stanles Date : 01-26-06 11:01 PM Woohoo! The Paizo version of DDA4: Dymrak Dread is also complete - missing map sheet and counters have been included. that might make sense, I've just had this in response to my continuing efforts to try and get someone at Wizards to respond to my query about the missing sections of ESDs. We're currently reviewing our ESD program. Please be patient with us while we do so. can anyone else confirm or deny, from recent Paizo downloads whether other things nominated as missing as part of this project (http://pandius.com/miss_esd.html) have been fixed? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 60] Author : Thorf Date : 01-27-06 12:46 AM can anyone else confirm or deny, from recent Paizo downloads whether other things nominated as missing as part of this project (http://pandius.com/miss_esd.html) have been fixed? I can't confirm or deny anything yet, but I did notice that quite a few (though not all) of the items marked as incomplete now have notes saying they have been repaired. HWR2 and TM1 come to mind, but there may have been others too, and I didn't check them all. I was actually wondering what effect this would have on the ESD Project, so I'm glad you asked. :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 61] Author : JTrithen Date : 01-27-06 12:52 AM Thread Title : X10 sheet of counters available if needed .... I've also had an email from there webmaster about the 200 counters missing from X10: If they can't track down a scan of the counters, is there anyone who would be happy to help them? Pretty Please? :) I have an uncut sheet of the counters from X10, if they need it. Just say the word, and I'll do my best to provide a decent scan! :D -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 62] Author : Dave L Date : 01-27-06 03:59 AM I have an uncut sheet of the counters from X10, if they need it. Just say the word, and I'll do my best to provide a decent scan! :D Great news - I'll let you know if they get back to me. Good news that they are fixing the other ESD's - although having to pay again for all the faulty files will be a bit galling, it'll be worth it if they can get DECENT scans of the missing maps. Of course, that's not Paizo's fault, and there's nothing they can do about it, as we didn't buy the faulty files from them! :( -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 63] Author : stanles Date : 01-27-06 10:15 PM I can't confirm or deny anything yet, but I did notice that quite a few (though not all) of the items marked as incomplete now have notes saying they have been repaired. HWR2 and TM1 come to mind, but there may have been others too, and I didn't check them all. I was actually wondering what effect this would have on the ESD Project, so I'm glad you asked. :) we'll just have to wait and see what they say -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 64] Author : arntof Date : 01-29-06 09:10 AM What is missing from the Western Trail Map? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 65] Author : Thorf Date : 01-29-06 10:17 AM What is missing from the Western Trail Map? Nothing on the new version. It now includes both a fully assembled map as well as the individual panels. But before, it was missing large chunks of the map. It's really great that Paizo rescanned it instead of continuing to sell the awful old version. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 66] Author : Dave L Date : 02-14-06 06:46 AM I have an uncut sheet of the counters from X10, if they need it. Just say the word, and I'll do my best to provide a decent scan! :D Still no joy from Paizo - if you are able to do this I would be VERY grateful! :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Downloaded from Wizards Community (http://forums.gleemax.com) at 05-10-08 09:24 AM.