* * * Wizards Community Thread * * * -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Thread : 1st Edition Forgotten Realms Started at 06-22-05 10:38 PM by rigon Visit at http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=452011 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1] Author : rigon Date : 06-22-05 10:38 PM Thread Title : 1st Edition Forgotten Realms I'm trying to put together all of the first edition campaign material for FR, but can't seem to find a list of the material. Every list I find has both 1e and 2e material listed. Does anyone know what materials were printed for FR that are before the Time of Troubles adventure series and/or is definitely 1e material. Thanks, R- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 2] Author : rogueattorney Date : 06-23-05 12:26 PM I'm trying to put together all of the first edition campaign material for FR, but can't seem to find a list of the material. Every list I find has both 1e and 2e material listed. Does anyone know what materials were printed for FR that are before the Time of Troubles adventure series and/or is definitely 1e material. The sum total of FR 1e material is as follows: Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting (gray box, 1987) City System (orange Waterdeep box, 1988) FR1 Waterdeep and the North FR2 Moonshaes FR3 Empires of the Sands FR4 The Magister FR5 The Savage Frontier FR6 Dreams of the Red Wizards FRC1 Ruins of Adventure N5 Under Illefarn I14 Swords of the Iron Legion REF5 Lords of Darkness I3, 4 & 5 were originally released as a generic setting. When re-printed as a super-module (I3-5 Desert of Desolation), they were changed to be located in the Forgotten Realms, although far, far from the main area of the setting. No map actually showing where the desert was, was printed unitl the 2e days. The Bloodstone series (H-series) was originally set in a generic setting, with the first three published before FR was introduced. The FR campaign setting included the Bloodstone lands in the far north-east, and when H4 was subsequently published, it had the FR logo on it. The original Oriental Adventures hardback and the first four modules in the OA-series were put out before the Forgotten Realms were introduced. With the Kara Tur: The Eastern Realms boxed set (purple box, 1987) they were pasted onto the eastern half of Faerun. OA5, was for 1e and has the FR logo on the front cover. R.A. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 3] Author : caeruleus Date : 06-23-05 02:32 PM FR 7 Hall of Heroes includes stats for Cyric, Midnight, and Kelemvore before they became gods. The stats for other characters are also pre-Time of Trouble, so you may want to include that too. Back when that old grey box came out, the Realms actually looked like something I would have been interested playing in. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 4] Author : rogueattorney Date : 06-23-05 02:43 PM FR 7 Hall of Heroes includes stats for Cyric, Midnight, and Kelemvore before they became gods. The stats for other characters are also pre-Time of Trouble, so you may want to include that too. They're 2e stats, though. And those characters were included specifically to go along with the Avatar adventures and modules coming out at the time. If I recall correctly, the Time of Troubles was the very first thing they did in FR after 2e came out. (It's always nice to blow up a good portion of the setting less than 2 years after originally publishing it... :rolleyes: That pretty well marked the end of my involvment with both 2e and FR.) R.A. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 5] Author : rigon Date : 06-23-05 04:52 PM Thanks for the information RA. I am going to be running a C&C campaign in FR (which is my favorite setting, but unfortunately I only have experience with 2e) and 1e is easiest to convert to C&C and I want a more gritter and old school feel for my campaign. Having read FR 1e material before, I decided to go with that. Once again, thanks. R- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 6] Author : rigon Date : 07-06-05 07:27 PM I seem to remember reading the FR9 The Bloodstone Lands, which is supposed to be 2e but was actually 1e material. I was wondering if any other early 2e material was printed with 1e information? Does anyone know if there are and which ones the are? Thanks R- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 7] Author : diaglo Date : 07-07-05 07:46 AM I seem to remember reading the FR9 The Bloodstone Lands, which is supposed to be 2e but was actually 1e material. I was wondering if any other early 2e material was printed with 1e information? Does anyone know if there are and which ones the are? Thanks R- you are confusing. the Bloodstone series.. the Battlesystem H modules here. originally the H (High Level) series was not in the Forgotten Realms. but by the end they had added it. H4. FR9 was all 2ed -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 8] Author : rigon Date : 07-07-05 08:50 AM you are confusing. the Bloodstone series.. the Battlesystem H modules here. originally the H (High Level) series was not in the Forgotten Realms. but by the end they had added it. H4. FR9 was all 2ed My freind has a copy and I'm pretty sure that FR9 was supposed to be 2e, but all the NPCs were listed with 1e classes. I'll have to look at his stuff the next time i'm over at his place. R- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 9] Author : rogueattorney Date : 07-07-05 09:43 AM My freind has a copy and I'm pretty sure that FR9 was supposed to be 2e, but all the NPCs were listed with 1e classes. I'll have to look at his stuff the next time i'm over at his place. I had FR9 a long, long time ago. It was one of my favorite of the early 2e materials. I do not, however, recall the 1e discrepancies. It wouldn't surprise me, though. The first few WG (Fate of Istus, Gargoyle, etc.) modules published after the introduction of 2e, for example, had 1e stats despite being labeled as "2e". R.A. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 10] Author : diaglo Date : 07-07-05 01:52 PM My freind has a copy and I'm pretty sure that FR9 was supposed to be 2e, but all the NPCs were listed with 1e classes. I'll have to look at his stuff the next time i'm over at his place. R- i'll check tonight when i get home from work. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 11] Author : diaglo Date : 07-08-05 09:10 AM Oops sorry. forgot to do this. i'll try again tonight. :embarrass -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 12] Author : rigon Date : 07-08-05 11:27 AM No problem, diaglo. Whenever you think about it. I was just courious about some of the early 2e stuff. I thought that maybe I would get it if it was really 1e material hidden in 2e skin. R- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 13] Author : diaglo Date : 07-09-05 04:07 AM it is truly a mix. it has the magic user and thief classes mentioned. but it also has the bard class. it doesn't have the assassin class nor half orcs. what it doesn't do is really go into the mechanics. it just says magic user level 17. or int 18 dex 18. it doesn't say what that means. there is a difference between 1edADnD and 2edADnD dex for example in the PHBs, but the FR9 doesn't say what dex equals for mechanics. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 14] Author : rigon Date : 07-09-05 11:52 AM Thanks for the information Diaglo. R- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 15] Author : rigon Date : 07-09-05 11:42 PM So which early 2e FR products would you you all recomend as having a definate 1e feel? R- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 16] Author : rogueattorney Date : 07-11-05 11:19 AM So which early 2e FR products would you you all recomend as having a definate 1e feel? The problem is that upon the very first introduction of 2e, they had the whole Time of Trouble thing, which altered the flavor of the Realms quite a bit. It definitely started having the high magic, goddy-goody feel that 2e FR was notorious for (not to say that it wasn't there at the beginning with the 1e products, but it became more prominant). Also more and more Realms products began to be tied to non-gaming products - novels, CPU games - giving off the "pc as bit player" syndrome that so many don't like. (Again, another trend that began before ToT and 2e, but one that became quite a bit more pronounced.) I'd say you'd be safest sticking to the earliest products, the stuff that came out prior to about 1991, especially the FR sourcebooks. Other than perhaps the Undermountain boxed sets, you might want to avoid adventures altogether. Personally, I think the best way to use FR is to just take the bare minimum from the boxed set and one or two of the supplements and then build on it from there with your and your players' own creativity. (I say the same thing about pretty much every campaign setting.) R.A. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 17] Author : rigon Date : 07-11-05 06:35 PM Thanks for the input RA. I can always check them out in PDF form and decide if I want to buy the hard copies later. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 18] Author : diaglo Date : 07-12-05 08:39 AM there was one low level adventure set in Cormyr which was okay. 9354 FRQ1 The Haunted Halls of Eveningstar -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 19] Author : Faraer Date : 07-14-05 09:07 PM Rigon, what's a 1E feel to you in this context? Ed created the Realms before there was a D&D, and the good Realms sourcebooks, of any edition, have a Realms feel -- in so far as they don't have non-Realms elements imposed on them, as is somewhat the case with the current relatively rules-heavy books, those books heavily based on the post-Godswar timeline or the bolted-on subsettings, etc. But that leaves lots of 1990s books and a few 2000s books. Realmslore is Realmslore. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 20] Author : rigon Date : 07-15-05 12:14 AM I would say anything not too heavy rules wise from around the switch to 2e. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 21] Author : Faraer Date : 07-15-05 10:44 AM I'm just wondering about what it is about, say, Secrets of the Magister, published 2000 but entirely consonant lorewise (i.e. in terms of content) with the sources that happened to have been published pre-2E, that makes you -- apparently -- avoid it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 22] Author : rigon Date : 07-15-05 04:26 PM Basically, I'm going to be running a campaign were the Time of Troubles doesn't happen. So most of the 2e material takes that event into consideration. I don't want that information, I want "Realmslore" that doesn't have that aspect in it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 23] Author : Faraer Date : 07-15-05 06:33 PM Sure, but what I'm saying is that lots of post-1989 (the last year of 1E products) Realms books have little or no content relating to the post-Time of Troubles timeline. Cormanthyr and The Fall of Myth Drannor, for instance, are set in the distant past, and the Volo's Guides while nominally set (just) post-ToT barely mention it. (The Time of Troubles hasn't happened in Ed Greenwood's campaign, or mine, either.) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 24] Author : rigon Date : 07-19-05 05:27 PM I don't care so much about a "realms" feel as I do a 1e feel, which to me is a darker, more sinister feel than what was printed in 2e. I also like the low magic feel of 1e over the high magic feel of 2e. I know one thing I definately don't need... Twenty spatbooks that all cover the same material. The stuff was covered just fine in 1e. Plus my interest in the 1e material has to do with collecting OOP books. R- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Downloaded from Wizards Community (http://forums.gleemax.com) at 05-10-08 08:16 AM.