* * * Wizards Community Thread * * * -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Thread : Gone, but not Forgotten! Started at 02-21-06 04:51 PM by Dolamite Visit at http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=591773 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1] Author : Dolamite Date : 02-21-06 04:51 PM Thread Title : Gone, but not Forgotten! Hi all, Just blastin' out my first post here and thought I would see how many 2nd edition players and DM's I could catch. I've been playing 2nd edition since day one and just can't break free. I've read a few of the new rules books but just can't get into it. The player's options books were the last ones that I bought. Forgotten Realms is my world and it's great! My players love it and there is so much to see and do. Well, gotta quit writing now but give me a reply. There are so many rules questions that I've had over the years but have never had any sources to ask. See ya'll! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 2] Author : ozbirthrightfan Date : 02-21-06 08:20 PM You won't get that much traffic here. Try the 2e boards at www.dragonsfoot.org/forums You won't regret it! ;) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 3] Author : weasel fierce Date : 02-21-06 09:46 PM More an original AD&D type of guy, but yeah, Dragonsfoot is excellent :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 4] Author : morganm Date : 02-28-06 05:00 PM I hear you; the more I read about 3.5 edition the more I don't want to even play it. I also enjoy Forgotten Realms :D -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 5] Author : Evergreen_Aldaron Date : 02-28-06 06:03 PM Thread Title : What is so bad....? Hey guys, share something with me. What specific things about the 3rd edition (3.5) do you dislike? I am an avid 2nd edition player, and have just begun to take a look at the 3rd edition's rules and sourcebooks. I would really like you to share what you think some of the shortcomings are. My campaign mates and I have a big decision to make in the near future as to whether we should switch over or not. I thank you in advance! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 6] Author : blackprinceofmuncie Date : 02-28-06 06:14 PM What specific things about the 3rd edition (3.5) do you dislike? Sorry, those types of discussions are considered off-topic for the OOP board (D&D 3.5 being "in-print" and all). You should re-post this question on the General Discussion board if you're still interested (or ask specific members for their opinions through PM). If you need official confirmation of this policy, please see THIS POST (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=8071762&postcount=10) by Wizo_Cat where he explains the policy and the reasoning behind it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 7] Author : Evergreen_Aldaron Date : 03-01-06 07:48 AM originally posted by blackprinceofmuncie Sorry, those types of discussions are considered off-topic for the OOP board (D&D 3.5 being "in-print" and all). You should re-post this question on the General Discussion board if you're still interested (or ask specific members for their opinions through PM). I hear you, Let's try something else. If some of you want to spend the time, let me know what keeps you playing 2nd edition and earlier versions? What about the game mechanics keeps you so loyal? Is it just that it is familiar to you? Do you love thac0? Non weapon proficiencies? Thank you once again, and I hope that this topic is acceptable by all. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 8] Author : weasel fierce Date : 03-01-06 11:46 AM It does exactly what I want it to do, its easy to use, and it leaves enough room open for me and my players to fill in the blanks with the colour we like -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 9] Author : ozbirthrightfan Date : 03-01-06 08:49 PM I started playing AD&D with the 2nd edition. Our group has played 2e for more than 11 years now. Why is it assumed that we SHOULD play a new edition simply because it is released? We had all spent plenty of $$$ on core books, expansions, campaign settings and modules from the 2e era already. We still have not even come CLOSE to exhausting the gaming possibilities of the material that we have. "Convert it" I hear you say. "Why?" is my answer. We play the game we play and that is that. I have no criticism for the newer editions of the game at all. We just Play 2e and are happy with it and have no reason to purchase and learn a new game. Simple as that! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 10] Author : weasel fierce Date : 03-01-06 08:52 PM That is an interesting point. I have more AD&D material than I will ever get to use in my lifetime, let alone other RPG's that I have bought. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 11] Author : Evergreen_Aldaron Date : 03-01-06 10:46 PM Originally posted by ozbirthrightfan I started playing AD&D with the 2nd edition. Our group has played 2e for more than 11 years now. Why is it assumed that we SHOULD play a new edition simply because it is released? We had all spent plenty of $$$ on core books, expansions, campaign settings and modules from the 2e era already. We still have not even come CLOSE to exhausting the gaming possibilities of the material that we have. Those are very interesting points. Money and time invested are definitely a consideration. I am sure we all have a ton of source material for the 2nd edition, more than enough to last. Very well said, anyone else? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 12] Author : weasel fierce Date : 03-01-06 11:07 PM Another element is that to this day, I have not yet heard a single thing that D20 actually offers, that I cannot find in either AD&D, Warhammer FRP, GURPS or Runequest. I can find plenty of things it doesnt, though. Hence, no sell yet -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 13] Author : Evergreen_Aldaron Date : 03-02-06 07:53 AM I can find plenty of things it doesnt, though. Hence, no sell yet Right on the money weasel fierce, not much value in that one. I don't see anything there that would entice me either. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 14] Author : RobertFisher Date : 03-06-06 06:42 PM If some of you want to spend the time, let me know what keeps you playing 2nd edition and earlier versions? What about the game mechanics keeps you so loyal? Is it just that it is familiar to you? Do you love thac0? Non weapon proficiencies? Nothing keeps me playinging 2e. 2e drove me away from D&D. :D Basic/Expert brought me back. (Not meant to be a flame, just personal opinion.) Too bad search doesn't work as we've discussed this before & my own opinions haven't changed much since. I guess a lot of it could be summed up this way: I used to think the old game was broken. I've now learned to look at the things I thought were broken in a different way, so I no longer see them as broken. So, when I look at the newer game through that lens, it no longer looks like it fixes things that were broken, but that it fixes things that weren't broken. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 15] Author : salvatorefan Date : 03-07-06 02:40 PM Dude! Second Ed. TOTALLY. 3.5 BLOWS! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 16] Author : Tenzhi Date : 03-08-06 02:34 AM Nothing keeps me playinging 2e. 2e drove me away from D&D. :D Basic/Expert brought me back. (Not meant to be a flame, just personal opinion.) Agreed. I cannot go back and play 2nd Ed. I could probably go back and play from the Rules Cyclopedia, however, though I'd likely up XP gain - stagnation is a loathesome thing. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 17] Author : RobertFisher Date : 03-08-06 05:59 PM though I'd likely up XP gain - stagnation is a loathesome thing. :) Whereas I've considering a campaign in which you don't bother with XP & level up the characters after about 12 months to take the time to fully explore each level. But I can enjoy a speedy game too. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 18] Author : Extempus Date : 03-08-06 10:37 PM We haven't bothered with XP in maybe 15 or more years, and I certainly don't miss them. We up everyone a level maybe once every two years real time, and it works just fine. After 24½ years of play, my highest level character is a 23rd level cleric, followed by a 22nd level wizard and a 21st level ranger. It's been perhaps two years since the last level increase, so they'll likely go up at the end of the current adventure. In fact, going by the 30th level limit rule in Dungeon Master Option: High-Level Campaigns (p. 179), it'll be at least 8 more years real time before my cleric is ready for something else... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 19] Author : Evergreen_Aldaron Date : 03-08-06 11:20 PM That is a very interesting game mechanic you have Extempus. I have a character who will turn 21 this June, and has been adjusted several times to keep playing with him. Do you actually have a method to the XP issue or are you just going by "feel"? Also, I assume you are playing exclusively 1st & 2nd editions? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 20] Author : Tenzhi Date : 03-08-06 11:48 PM We up everyone a level maybe once every two years real time, and it works just fine. And when you want real excitement you watch trees grow? :P I might be able to take that kind of advancement if the game started at at least level 10. Maybe. Okay, I probably wouldn't make it past the fist six months even then. But more than two or three games each at levels 1-5 is unbearable. Tell me you at least ditch level-draining abilities from undead. If it took two years to gain a level and you took four of them away in an encounter with a wraith, I think as a player I'd have to commit homicide with pencils and dice and no court would convict me. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 21] Author : RobertFisher Date : 03-09-06 04:40 PM Tell me you at least ditch level-draining abilities from undead. If it took two years to gain a level and you took four of them away in an encounter with a wraith, I think as a player I'd have to commit homicide with pencils and dice and no court would convict me. Even if I'm gaining a level every session, I'm not sticking around to let the undead drain them away. You run from those things. Only time you attack them is when you can do it from a safe distance. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Downloaded from Wizards Community (http://forums.gleemax.com) at 05-10-08 08:18 AM.