* * * Wizards Community Thread * * * -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Thread : AD&D magical fire Started at 05-14-06 08:27 AM by draconic Visit at http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=637167 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1] Author : draconic Date : 05-14-06 08:27 AM Thread Title : AD&D magical fire i just want everyones opinion out there: will magical fire (specifically fireball) in AD&D consume oxygen? one of my (very wily) players drops a fireball in a small undersea cave, little to no ventilation. would the fireball consume all the oxygen, essentially turning the room into a toxic atmosphere? i ruled that the fireball itself would not, as it is magical energy, not actually fire. however anything that catches alight as a result of the fireball would consume oxygen normally. what do you think? feel free to email me at draconic_ancient@hotmail.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 2] Author : Higmorton Date : 05-15-06 08:06 AM If you want to get technical, yes. But, if that is hte case all the characters would die as a result. As the Dm though you could always explain it as the fact that the cave is to damp to do more harm than just its area of effect. __________________ Off the subject a little. That is the same reason I do not do called shots. Most people no that is a anything is hit hard enough in the head it will die. And if a player always tries to do a caled shot to the head something needs to be done to stop it. So hence no called shots. __________________ But the best advice is: There are always house rules, which the DM and players have to agree upon. As well as the fact you are the DM and the DM's word and decision is final. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 3] Author : Wyre Date : 05-16-06 08:29 PM As DM you can make that ruling. If it were me they'd all be sucking vacume. Had a group once who went green dragon hunting. Decided to throw a fireball in a cave filled with gas. They spent the rest of the night rolling up new characters and giving no end of grief to their wizard. :D There are sometimes when as a DM you just don't even have to try to kill em. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 4] Author : Extempus Date : 05-16-06 08:43 PM i just want everyones opinion out there: will magical fire (specifically fireball) in AD&D consume oxygen? one of my (very wily) players drops a fireball in a small undersea cave, little to no ventilation. would the fireball consume all the oxygen, essentially turning the room into a toxic atmosphere? i ruled that the fireball itself would not, as it is magical energy, not actually fire. however anything that catches alight as a result of the fireball would consume oxygen normally. what do you think? feel free to email me at draconic_ancient@hotmail.comI think it makes sense given the framework of the game. Supporting this idea is the saving throw table for items (1e DMG, p. 80), where fire is divided into 3 types: fireball (from the spells fireball and meteor swarm, red dragon breath and so on), magical fire (wall of fire, fire storm and flame strike, among other spells) and then normal fire. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 5] Author : goblin_gronth Date : 05-16-06 11:56 PM Im with Wyre. Pretty dumb action on the players and if your wanting to think about the oxygen in the air... I would think your looking for some realism in your game. I would rule that they have made that cave their tomb. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 6] Author : dontheox Date : 05-17-06 07:25 AM Well going by the D&D novels I have read the fireball spell always sucked the O2 out of the area of effect, as did dragon breath, and demonic fire. I believe the magical part of the fire is the summoning of the fire with out conventional means once summoned its still regular fire, it may be a 9000 degree fire such as dragons breath or demon fire but its still fire. If your player cast a spell in an underwater cave I would rule it would only be half as effective and the creatures would save for quarter damage, because of the dampness of the cave. Also you have to consider the dimensions of the cave if it was a small cave the players would be caught it the fireballs blast as well, but if it was a medium sized to large cave over 1000 cubic feet there would be plenty of air in the cave to support life and the fireball, from what I can remember from science class I think I am right! In any case you have to keep in mind that D&D is a fantasy game and fantastic thing happen, its really up to you how much "real" science is in your game. In my AD&D world science is there in the background were as magic is in the forefront of study,instead of the dark ages its the magic age. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 7] Author : draconic Date : 05-19-06 03:57 AM just to clarify, they werent actually IN the room, there was a small (1/2 ft square) opening into the room (designed for entrance by wraithform spell) that they planned to shoot the fireball down then plug. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 8] Author : goblin_gronth Date : 05-20-06 01:48 AM just to clarify, they werent actually IN the room, there was a small (1/2 ft square) opening into the room (designed for entrance by wraithform spell) that they planned to shoot the fireball down then plug. well depending on the size of that room. There might be chance that fireball will be bursting out that hole. my question for you would be, what do they plan on using to cover that hole? If it is something that would resist the heat of the fireball i would kind of think that the item (that is being used to cover the hole) would seal that room after the fireball has gone off. That is if the room is of the size to take the spell effects. As its been said..., the fireball would consume the air. So i would say... that the item that covers the hole would be sealed in by suction. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Downloaded from Wizards Community (http://forums.gleemax.com) at 05-10-08 08:16 AM.