* * * Wizards Community Thread * * * -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Thread : Bargle Sources Started at 09-11-06 05:59 PM by MKMcArtor Visit at http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=700794 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1] Author : MKMcArtor Date : 09-11-06 05:59 PM Thread Title : Bargle Sources Okay, so Bargle is in the red box and the Karameikos box, but where else can I find information on him? Thanks! :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 2] Author : maddog Date : 09-11-06 07:48 PM Thread Title : Re: Bargle Sources Here.... http://www.pandius.com/bargle.html It a conversion of Bargle from K:KoA. And here..... http://freefind.com/servlet/freefind?id=574922&pageid=r&query=Bargle&mode=Find+pages+matching+ALL+words This is the search page on the Vaults of Pandius. I don't own it but I would assume that he is also in Gazetteer 1: The Grand Duchy of Karameikos. --Ray. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 3] Author : gawain_viii Date : 09-11-06 07:53 PM Thread Title : Re: Bargle Sources As famous as the Infamous wizard is, he only appears in a few places. In the Ierendi gazetteer, there is an advertisement for a detective agency, where the proprieter, Bargle, claims to have no relation to "that other guy in Karameikos." As I don't have Kingdom of Adventure, I don't know if he's in there or not... I can only assume he is at least mentioned. Also he is mentioned in a few of the Almanacs, describing what happened to him and von Hendriks after they escaped the halflings which arrested them. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 4] Author : Cthulhudrew Date : 09-11-06 09:01 PM Thread Title : Re: Bargle Sources Okay, so Bargle is in the red box and the Karameikos box, but where else can I find information on him? Hmm... methinks I smell a Mystara article coming up. Or else maybe Bargle is going to make an appearance in the Savage Tide? Anyway: Bargle Appearances: Red Box Basic Set (Mentzer version, 1983): Appears in short adventure in Player's Guide, where he is responsible for the death of Aleena Halaran (who may or may not be resurrected later) DM's Guide, p. 4, 11: Players are recruited to capture Bargle who is making his lair in the ruins of Castle Mistamere in the mountains north of Threshold. Blue Box Expert Set (Mentzter, 1983): p. 38: It is mentioned for the first time that Bargle is an agent of the Black Eagle, and his presence in the ruins north of Threshold (Mistamere) is to investigate rumors of a Ducal coin mint in that town. [LIST]p. 40: Bargle's secret massmorphed army- over 100 fighters and their mounts- are hidden away in the Black Woods to the west of Threshold, magically asleep and awaiting his command. X10: Red Arrow, Black Shield (1985): p. 14: Bargle is described and statted out (M15) as the Black Eagle's court sorcerer. Near as I can tell, this is the first time he is given the epithet "the Infamous." Gazetteer 1: The Grand Duchy of Karameikos (1987): p. 58-59: History, stats, and description of Bargle the Infamous. A former street tough, self-taught wizard (after mugging a wizard's apprentice and stealing his spellbook), and then eventually Court Wizard to the Black Eagle Baron. The most complete description of the man thus far. Gazetteer 4: The Kingdom of Ierendi (1987): p.25: Bargle's nephew Bargle (MU7) makes his living as a private investigator in Ierendi City. He's just as crooked as his uncle, albeit not as experienced. Gazetteer 11: The Republic of Darokin (1989): p.57: In a suggested adventure, one of Bargle's apprentices- a boy named Sahlynda- seeks the PCs help in getting away from his master; apparently, apprentices of Bargle's have a habit of disappearing- whether being used in experiments or killed because they are too powerful is unclear. Sahlynda also happens to be an illegitimate son of a Chossum clan elf; how such a nice boy ended up with Bargle isn't clear. Poor Wizard's Almanac, AC 1010 (1992): p.133: Now listed as MU28!?!?! (he got real powerful in just 10 years...), a brief description of Bargle post-Wrath of the Immortals. p.235-236: Bargle shows his true colors as, during a crisis wherein the Black Eagle Barony is invaded by haflings from the Five Shires, the Court Magist loots the treasury and teleports far away. Rat bastard! Poor Wizard's Almanac, AC 1011 (1993): p.124: Bargle's stats and a brief update including his 1010 history. p.176: As the Black Eagle is hauled away in chains, it is mentioned that Bargle's betrayal made his capture possible. (Of course, so did the fact that the Black Eagle tormented the hin for 4 decades, terrorized the populace of Fort Doom, spat in the face of his cousin Duke Stefan's generosity, etc., etc. Kind of tough to try and pin this one on Bargle, methinks. ;) ) Dragon Magazine #206 (1994): p.66: A brief history of the Black Eagle Barony; it notes that Bargle used the Black Eagle's captives in "his own bizarre experiments." (Maybe the rumors about his apprentices aren't all that far off?) p.66: Rumors that Bargle has been seen on the borders of the Blight Swamp. Probably just rumors, though, as we will shortly learn where Bargle really went to after fleeing the hin invasion. p.68: A tribe of bugbears- known as Bargle's Bugbears- continue on in his name even after the fall of the Barony. They are noted to be one of the most organized non-human units among those who were under the Black Eagle banner, and believe that Bargle will return to lead them again. They seem to be rather fanatic. Bargle's got himself some worshippers- look out Vecna! Poor Wizard's Almanac, AC 1012 (1994): p. 86: Stats, this time for the first time in AD&D 2E format (W17). p.202: We learn, for the first time, that Bargle evidently teleported to the Kingdom of Blackrock to work for Xanthus, the Alphatian tyrant (at leat he's consistent). He shows up, without fanfare, acting as Xanthus' messenger here. p.209-210: Bargle is forced to flee once more as Xanthus' palace is stormed by rebels led by, among others, Haldemar of Haaken. Time to get that resume ready again! Karameikos: Kingdom of Adventure boxed set (1994) p.61: The Black Eagle now hates Bargle. I guess he's still blaming others for his problems. Explorer's Guide, p.90-91: Bargle's stats and description. Adventure Guide, p.32: Bargle has a wanted poster out on him. Dragon Magazine #216 (1995): p.11-14: Bargle's most recent scheme is revealed- he has set up the BeB Magic Company, which sells bogus magical items and self-help books. That fiend!! I knew he was diabolical, but this, this is outrageous!!! (It is implied that he was undertaking this scheme around or between the time he was assisting Xanthus halfway across the world. Either a) he was burning a hole in the Astral by teleporting back and forth a lot, or b) someone else- possibly his nephew- was concocting this scheme in his name. Or perhaps it is just best to take this for what it is- a funny little bit of tongue-in-cheek humor, not to be taken seriously.) Joshuan's Almanac, AC 1013 (1995): p.161: Bargle's stats again; it is rumored that he may have returned to his old haunts in Halag/Black Eagle Barony after fleeing Blackrock. There is also a 500,000 gp reward for his capture (250,000 if he is killed). He's tied for the highest reward offering (Xavier Tanos, a lowly thief, shares top billing). Not sure if I missed anything or not. I don't own DDA3: Eye of Traldar, which features one of Bargle's apprentices, I belive (some guy named Sverdlov), and there might be one or two references here and there (I know that Bruce Heard mentioned his name once when someone asked a question to the Grimoire about why Sverdlov was in DDA3 and not Bargle, for instance). This should be mostly comprehensive, though. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 5] Author : eldersphinx Date : 09-11-06 11:37 PM Thread Title : Re: Bargle Sources There's also the t-shirt (http://gregorhutton.com/images/gregor/steve_kb600.jpg). :D -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 6] Author : Shane Date : 09-11-06 11:53 PM Thread Title : Re: Bargle Sources There's also this (http://pandius.com/blksteel.html) post-TSR (late 1990s) article by Bruce Heard suggesting that Bargle may be the mastermind behind a cult of Halfling Thugees! Shane P.S. Great job on the Barglological research Andrew! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 7] Author : Hugin Date : 09-12-06 12:02 AM Thread Title : Re: Bargle Sources That shirt is great! lol When's the movie coming out? Is Quentin Tarantino going to be involved in this one too? ;) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 8] Author : MKMcArtor Date : 09-12-06 12:44 AM Thread Title : Re: Bargle Sources Hmm... methinks I smell a Mystara article coming up. Or else maybe Bargle is going to make an appearance in the Savage Tide? As always, I can neither confirm nor deny the possible appearance of a Mystara-related subject in Dragon. :angelhide I can, however, thank you sincerely for the comprehensive list of sources. Thanks Drew!!! :bow: :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 9] Author : Cthulhudrew Date : 09-12-06 03:25 AM Thread Title : Re: Bargle Sources I love that t-shirt! Also, much as I generally disliked the "What He/She Says" entry in the AD&D NPC entries, the one from Bargle's in K:KoA is pretty classic: "You only think I'm mad! Bwah-hah-hah!" :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 10] Author : Cthulhudrew Date : 09-12-06 03:32 AM Thread Title : Re: Bargle Sources I can, however, thank you sincerely for the comprehensive list of sources. No problems. As Maddog pointed out, there are also a bunch of references and things to Bargle on the Vaults. I know for certain that he was used in a couple of the Mystara Almanacs (because I used him there :)), where he was working for the Nagpa on Serraine the last time we saw him. I also used his nephew as the host of the (short-lived; mea culpa) Survivor All-Stars: The d'Ambrevilles stories that ran for a couple of episodes here on the MMB a couple of years back. Always meant to get back to that story; maybe I will again soon... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 11] Author : Cthulhudrew Date : 09-12-06 04:32 AM Thread Title : Re: Bargle Sources Just for the fun of it, here's a quick picture of Bargle that I made up after watching Prison Break earlier tonight- for some reason, Robert Knepper (T-Bag) just strikes me as a perfect Bargle: http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/9241/bargle2ri4.th.jpg (http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bargle2ri4.jpg) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 12] Author : LoZompatore Date : 09-12-06 04:51 AM Thread Title : Re: Bargle Sources Not sure if I missed anything or not. I add a couple of more references to you excellent list (unluckily I do not own the DDA3 module either): GAZ8 - The Five Shires Here you read about Bargle's apprentice mages in the Black Eagle Barony. Their effectives are cited in the adventure plot #1 (Wereskalot Watch) and then listed in #14 (The Black Eagle swoops). Mages: Eleven Chaotic magic users, as follows: 1st level: 4; 2nd level: 3; 3rd level: 3; 4th level: 1; 15th level: 1 (Bargle) The same list shows also a bugbear band fighting under the Black Eagle's flag, that may be connected to Bargle given the reference in Dragon Magazine #206: Vileraider Bugbear Band: MV 5, BR 68, Personnel 600 (Fair), maces, spears, mixed weaponry. Book of Wondrous Inventions On page 90, in the "Dorfin's little shop of horrors" section there is the description of the "Bargle's Infamous Firepack" (a kind of rudimental jet-pack), an invention built by an unnamed gnome who stole a great number of Wands of Fireball to the evil Bargle and used them to make this odd contraption: Bargle’s Infamous Firepack: This invention is named after a nefarious Karameikan wizard from whom the gnomish inventor stole dozens of Wands of Fireball. The invention consists of a thick leather backpack solidly fastened with two Wands of Fireball facing 45 degrees down and backward. The wand tips are stuck in hollow metal tubes. Upon uttering the command word, the wands shoot fireballs into the narrow tubes, which channels the flames out with great force. In effect, this causes the user to suddenly leap forward, away from a pursuing foe. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 13] Author : Cthulhudrew Date : 09-12-06 07:49 AM Thread Title : Re: Bargle Sources Book of Wondrous Inventions Good catch on these! - I thought I'd remembered a Bargle reference there, but couldn't find it. Completely missed the Gaz8 one, though. The Vileraiders must be the same bugbear band of Bargle's, that's for sure. They've probably just become much more fanatic in the 10 years since their appearance in Gaz8. :) I don't think there are any, but does anyone else know if there are any references to Bargle in Dungeon at all? I'm still missing quite a few of the Mystara ones, so I'm not sure. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 14] Author : Gazza555 Date : 09-12-06 08:01 AM Thread Title : Re: Bargle Sources Hmm... methinks I smell a Mystara article coming up. Or else maybe Bargle is going to make an appearance in the Savage Tide? Or in Ed Greenwood's "Wizard's Three" - then again maybe not. :) Of course, what would be best would be a Mystara article linked to STAP. ;) Regards Gary -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 15] Author : The_Stalker Date : 09-12-06 08:39 AM Thread Title : Re: Bargle Sources Not sure if I missed anything or not. I don't own DDA3: Eye of Traldar, which features one of Bargle's apprentices, I belive (some guy named Sverdlov), and there might be one or two references here and there (I know that Bruce Heard mentioned his name once when someone asked a question to the Grimoire about why Sverdlov was in DDA3 and not Bargle, for instance). I don't think Bargle is even mentioned in "Eye of Traldar". I just gave it cursory look, and didn't notice him. Sverdlov is mentioned, of course, but has no stats, since he never actually appears in the adventure - he's just mentioned to be new court wizard of von Hendriks, "a sinister and evil man reputed to be from Glantri"... I wonder what Bargle was doing at the time? Or maybe Ludwig decided he could have more than one court wizard, and Bargle is top dog, while Sverdlov is merely "one of the others". Still, Sverdlov is not said to have any relation to Bargle or even be his apprentice (seeing as how Bargle isn't mentioned at all) in that adventure. But I do recall that Bruce Heard mentioned that Sverdlov was his cousin (he spelled the name "Sverdloff" instead, but there is no doubt it's the same character, since it's in reference to the villain of the adventure). Interestingly, Bruce also said that Bargle "has gone to Hule to have a serious little talk with The Master" (the reason for leaving Bargle out was that the adventure is entry-level, and TSR apparently didn't want a confrontation between low-level PCs and Bargle, since it could kill either the PCs or a major campaign villain). That Sverdlov was Bargle's apprentice seems to be speculation after the fact, although it seems quite likely to me. Still, we don't actually know how experienced Sverdlov was/is, as there were never published any stats for him. At least not that I've ever seen or heard of. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 16] Author : The_Stalker Date : 09-12-06 08:42 AM Thread Title : Re: Bargle Sources Or in Ed Greenwood's "Wizard's Three" - then again maybe not. :) Of course, what would be best would be a Mystara article linked to STAP. ;) Regards Gary Personally, I'd love to see a "Wizards Three" with Mordenkainen, Elminster and Terari/Tylion. Or maybe just an all-Mystaran "Wizards Three" with Terari/Tylion, Demetrion/Stafanius, and Etienne d'Ambreville/Rad... Hmm, is it just me or do Mystaran wizards seem rather mysterious and secretive? ;) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 17] Author : Cthulhudrew Date : 09-12-06 09:06 AM Thread Title : Re: Bargle Sources Personally, I'd love to see a "Wizards Three" with Mordenkainen, Elminster and Terari/Tylion. How about an evil version of the Wizards Three with Bargle, Manshoon (FR), and Rary the Traitor (Greyhawk)? You could have a cameo with Raistlin as well. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 18] Author : havard Date : 09-12-06 11:14 AM Thread Title : Re: Bargle Sources "Meet Bargle the Infamous, most feared wizard of Greyhawk!" Seriously though, I know Mike is a Mystara fan and hopefully he won't do something like that. The Isle of Dread thing still hurts a little. Seeing Bargle in STAP could be interesting. A more generic article, maybe the first in a "Legendary Wizards" line with no setting references whatsoever would work for me. Ofcourse, a fully fledged Mystara article would be ideal. :) BTW, I didnt really like the illustrations of Bargle in K:KoA. Do you guys agree that he didn't look quite right there? Håvard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 19] Author : maddog Date : 09-12-06 11:37 AM Thread Title : Re: Bargle Sources I didnt really like the illustrations of Bargle in K:KoA. Do you guys agree that he didn't look quite right there? :) I didn't think any of the illustrations "looked right" but at least all of them looked the same across the whole of the work. An article on Bargle would be really cool. STAP or other. --Ray. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 20] Author : LoZompatore Date : 09-14-06 05:21 AM Thread Title : Re: Bargle Sources I don't think there are any, but does anyone else know if there are any references to Bargle in Dungeon at all? I'm still missing quite a few of the Mystara ones, so I'm not sure. Actually I found a reference, even if it's a minor one. It is just at the beginning of the adventure "Of nests and nations" in Dungeon Magazine #13. Here Bargle is mentioned just to say that he is not the responsible for the arsons in the docks of Specularum. A little interesting info is that the evil mage acts also abroad (Minrothad, in this case) to serve the interests of the Black Eagle Barony: Suspicion automatically fell on Baron von Hendriks and his wizard Bargle the Infamous, when the murders and fires began. It is now known that Bargle has been in the Minrothad Guilds on the baron's business for the past several weeks. The baron has just recovered from a prolonged illness (some say he was poisoned) and is busy purging his own ranks. It seems extremely unlikely, without Bargle close at hand and with internal strife in his own barony, that von Hendriks would attempt, or could attempt, a stratagem of arson and murder against the city. I don't think that Bargle is mentioned in any other Dungeon Magazine adventure, but I do not possess the whole set of OD&D adventures of this magazine, either. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 21] Author : Barons_man Date : 09-18-06 06:17 PM Thread Title : Re: Bargle Sources I seem to remember he was mentioned in b1-9 (in the great escape?), or is my mind going. also mentioned in passing in a low level module based in the black eagle barony, forgotten the module id -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 22] Author : happylarry Date : 09-19-06 06:57 PM Thread Title : Re: Bargle Sources A quick glance at B1-9 - interludes B and C before and after the Great escape - shows that the adventure was set in Black Eagle barony, but no mention of Bargle... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 23] Author : chatdemon Date : 10-16-06 05:29 AM Thread Title : Re: Bargle Sources For the record, there is no mention of Bargle in DDA3: Eye of Traldar. The position of court wizard to the Baron is held by a man named Aurelian. Nor is Bargle found in dda4. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 24] Author : Agathokles Date : 10-16-06 07:21 AM Thread Title : Re: Bargle Sources For the record, there is no mention of Bargle in DDA3: Eye of Traldar. The position of court wizard to the Baron is held by a man named Aurelian. So we now have 3 different court wizards for the Black Eagle -- since we know that Bargle was also court wizard between 1000 AC and the fall of the Black Eagle. Either these others were apprentices of Bargle, or maybe they were Masters of the Iron Ring that acted as representatives to the Baron, and might have acted as court wizards while Bargle was away. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 25] Author : chatdemon Date : 10-16-06 11:40 AM Thread Title : Re: Bargle Sources Well, technically DDA3 never gives Aurelian the title of court wizard to the Baron, but he is the wizard living in the wizard's quarters in the tower of the Baron's keep, and no mention is made of him being a lackey to anyone. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 26] Author : Gazza555 Date : 10-16-06 12:01 PM Thread Title : Re: Bargle Sources Maybe Aurelian is Bargle's first name or, perhaps, his second. :D Or, perhaps even, the Black Eagle Barony has a 'time-share' scheme for being an 'evil wizard'. An aspiring wizard could book a fortnight at a time. :heehee Regards Gary -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 27] Author : gawain_viii Date : 10-16-06 12:04 PM Thread Title : Re: Bargle Sources I'm more inclined to belive that someone of the Baron's influence might have several court wizards, Bargle being chief among them... With Bargle's apprentices each giving preference to a job over outside sources (who may have been influenced by a consience)... But would it not also be possible (I don't have DDA3 or 4 to compare stats) that Aurelian is the proper name for the Wizard infamously known as Bargle? (He is described as being of Thyatian stock after all, and Bargle isn't quite a fitting name.) Just a little food for thought, Roger -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 28] Author : chatdemon Date : 10-16-06 12:05 PM Thread Title : Re: Bargle Sources Sure, in a home, it's quite easy to assume that Aurelian is an alias of bargle's, or that he's an apprentice or colleague, etc. That's probably how I'd rule it if I was running the adventure. For a precise "canon" evaluation of the material though, I think we have to assume that Aurelian and Bargle are unrelated. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 29] Author : chatdemon Date : 10-16-06 12:14 PM Thread Title : Re: Bargle Sources Aurelian is listed as a 3rd level MU in DDA3. Gaz1 lists Bargle as 15th level. Either they are different guys, or DDA3 is set very early in Bargle's employment with the Baron. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 30] Author : Cthulhudrew Date : 10-16-06 01:17 PM Thread Title : Re: Bargle Sources Actually, the boxed text on p. 13 of DDA3 clearly states that Aurelian is Sverdlov's apprentice, and that Sverdlov is the Black Eagle's "new court wizard." So there are still only two possible court wizards, the question is- is Sverdlov the real name of "Bargle", or did something happen between Gaz1 and DDA3 that put Bargle out of favor in the Black Eagle's court (but of course, he regains his favor prior to 1010, when he is the Black Eagle's court wizard again- at least before looting his treasury and abandoning him to the halflings.) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 31] Author : Goobulon Date : 10-16-06 02:08 PM Thread Title : Re: Bargle Sources Hey, I'll check this when I get home, but I have a vague memory of Bargle being in B1-9. Wasn't he the catalyst of the "Captured" adventure? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 32] Author : chatdemon Date : 10-16-06 02:39 PM Thread Title : Re: Bargle Sources Hey, I'll check this when I get home, but I have a vague memory of Bargle being in B1-9. Wasn't he the catalyst of the "Captured" adventure? That npc, an agent of Baron Von Hendriks posing as a spy working for Duke Stefan, could be Bargle if you wanted to introduce him into the B1-9 adventure, but his name in the adventure is Anton. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 33] Author : MKMcArtor Date : 10-30-06 05:56 PM Thread Title : Re: Bargle Sources Hey Cthulhudrew, when you get a chance could you please check the email address associated with your Wizards messageboard account? :) Thanks! :D :angel: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Downloaded from Wizards Community (http://forums.gleemax.com) at 05-10-08 09:31 AM.