* * * Wizards Community Thread * * * -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Thread : Dragon Issue 351 Started at 11-17-06 05:55 AM by stanles Visit at http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=740910 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1] Author : stanles Date : 11-17-06 05:55 AM Thread Title : Dragon Issue 351 The next issue column of the current issue of Dragon says that it will revisit several past campaign settings, including ... well the list doesn't contain Mystara but hopefully it's one of the "and beyond" from the end of the list. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 2] Author : havard Date : 11-17-06 07:45 AM Thread Title : Re: Dragon Issue 351 The next issue column of the current issue of Dragon says that it will revisit several past campaign settings, including ... well the list doesn't contain Mystara but hopefully it's one of the "and beyond" from the end of the list. Here's to hope! :) Thanks for sharing! Havard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 3] Author : Cthulhudrew Date : 11-17-06 12:38 PM Thread Title : Re: Dragon Issue 351 Isn't January's Dragon usually the Campaign Classics issue? Maybe the campaign worlds in this one are just an early treat for 352? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 4] Author : Gazza555 Date : 11-17-06 12:45 PM Thread Title : Re: Dragon Issue 351 Isn't January's Dragon usually the Campaign Classics issue? Maybe the campaign worlds in this one are just an early treat for 352? January's Dragon is 351. Here's a picture of 350 where you can clearly see Issue 350 December. http://paizo.com/image/product/catalog/TSR/TSR82350_500.jpeg Regards Gary -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 5] Author : havard Date : 11-17-06 12:54 PM Thread Title : Re: Dragon Issue 351 I will be pretty disappointed if there is nothing Mystara related (Known World, Blackmoor, Savage Coast, Thunder Rift etc) at all in the Campaign Classics issue for 07.... Havard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 6] Author : stanles Date : 11-17-06 06:12 PM Thread Title : Re: Dragon Issue 351 I will be pretty disappointed if there is nothing Mystara related (Known World, Blackmoor, Savage Coast, Thunder Rift etc) at all in the Campaign Classics issue for 07.... Havard well none of the previous issues made much of a point of any Mystaran article did they? I don't think the word Mystara has appeared on the cover next to the other words or anything. I'd hate to think that a Mystara article wouldn't make it to the magazine. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 7] Author : maddog Date : 11-17-06 08:39 PM Thread Title : Re: Dragon Issue 351 I would guess that since the Isle of Dread is in the companion magazine, Dungeon, at the same time that it is highly likely that we will see something that is Mystara related. I think it would be somewhat hard to avoid. :D --Ray. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 8] Author : ripvanwormer Date : 11-17-06 09:01 PM Thread Title : Re: Dragon Issue 351 Dragon #351 will have this: Ecology of the Isle of Dread by Jacob Frazier The Isle of Dread explored! Read the journal of Larissa Vanderboren and retrace her adventures. Includes a free player's poster map of the Isle of Dread! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 9] Author : stanles Date : 11-17-06 10:07 PM Thread Title : Re: Dragon Issue 351 Dragon #351 will have this: Ecology of the Isle of Dread by Jacob Frazier The Isle of Dread explored! Read the journal of Larissa Vanderboren and retrace her adventures. Includes a free player's poster map of the Isle of Dread! well since the Isle isn't in Mystara, as far as the adventure path is concerned, hopefully they don't count that as the "Mystara" article. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 10] Author : MKMcArtor Date : 11-20-06 12:23 PM Thread Title : Re: Dragon Issue 351 Which do you want first: the good news or the bad news? Okay, I lied. For Mystara fans there is no good news, concerning #351. The "Ecology of the Isle of Dread" is as close to Mystara content as the issue provides. At best, IIRC, that article is setting neutral. But hey, it has phanatons! :) Where we fail, however, Dungeon succeeds! Dungeon #142 has a low-level adventure (for 1st-level characters) set in Mystara! And as if that weren't enough, I know on very good authority that Dungeon will have another Mystara article in the near future. So as far as Mystara fans are concerned: Dungeon 2; Dragon 0. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 11] Author : maddog Date : 11-20-06 12:50 PM Thread Title : Re: Dragon Issue 351 The "Ecology of the Isle of Dread" is as close to Mystara content as the issue provides. At best, IIRC, that article is setting neutral. I hereby claim the Isle of Dread as a Mystaran island in the name of the Thyatian Empire! So say we all! So as far as Mystara fans are concerned: Dungeon 2; Dragon 0. I think that's really Dungeon 2; Dragon 1. I'm not giving up the bragging rights without a fight! :) --Ray. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 12] Author : OldDawg Date : 11-20-06 01:20 PM Thread Title : Re: Dragon Issue 351 Ecology of the Isle of Dread by Jacob Frazier The Isle of Dread explored! Read the journal of Larissa Vanderboren and retrace her adventures. Includes a free player's poster map of the Isle of Dread! On the plus side, this should be some decent food for thought on the Thanegioth Archipelago fan-gaz. Where we fail, however, Dungeon succeeds! Dungeon #142 has a low-level adventure (for 1st-level characters) set in Mystara! And as if that weren't enough, I know on very good authority that Dungeon will have another Mystara article in the near future. The Known World region? Norwold? ... Inquiring minds want to know. :D -OldDawg -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 13] Author : stanles Date : 11-20-06 06:40 PM Thread Title : Re: Dragon Issue 351 Which do you want first: the good news or the bad news? Okay, I lied. For Mystara fans there is no good news, concerning #351. The "Ecology of the Isle of Dread" is as close to Mystara content as the issue provides. At best, IIRC, that article is setting neutral. But hey, it has phanatons! :) well that is pretty average yes, of course the Ecology of the Isle of Dread should be fairly easy to consider as Mystara content, but it's part of the Adventure Path thing isn't it? there was always going to be an Isle of Dread article. One question though, is there no article because there was no particular articles that could be published - that is, should one of us have had some good idea sent to you ready to publish. Or was it a room issue and a Mystara article just the "easiest" one to drop? Where we fail, however, Dungeon succeeds! Dungeon #142 has a low-level adventure (for 1st-level characters) set in Mystara! And as if that weren't enough, I know on very good authority that Dungeon will have another Mystara article in the near future. So as far as Mystara fans are concerned: Dungeon 2; Dragon 0. Wel adventures set in Mystara is definitely a good thing, without a doubt. The reference to Zargon in the the upcoming adventure had already caught our attention, so it is good ot see that this will actually be an adventure set in Mystara. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 14] Author : Cthulhudrew Date : 11-21-06 12:13 AM Thread Title : Re: Dragon Issue 351 Hmm... I'm thinking I definitely need to get off my butt and polish up some Dungeon magazine proposals that I've had in various stages of development. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 15] Author : MKMcArtor Date : 11-21-06 04:41 PM Thread Title : Re: Dragon Issue 351 Hmm... I'm thinking I definitely need to get off my butt and polish up some Dungeon magazine proposals that I've had in various stages of development. Yes you should. :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 16] Author : MKMcArtor Date : 11-21-06 04:43 PM Thread Title : Re: Dragon Issue 351 One question though, is there no article because there was no particular articles that could be published - that is, should one of us have had some good idea sent to you ready to publish. Or was it a room issue and a Mystara article just the "easiest" one to drop? The thought was "We'll count the Ecology of the Isle of Dread as the Mystara article." And then, of course, there was no mention of Mystara in the ecology. :twitch: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 17] Author : stanles Date : 11-21-06 06:43 PM Thread Title : Re: Dragon Issue 351 The thought was "We'll count the Ecology of the Isle of Dread as the Mystara article." And then, of course, there was no mention of Mystara in the ecology. :twitch: yeah I could see how that might counter against that original thought :allalone: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 18] Author : MKMcArtor Date : 11-22-06 02:27 PM Thread Title : Re: Dragon Issue 351 :raincloud -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 19] Author : havard Date : 11-22-06 02:52 PM Thread Title : Re: Dragon Issue 351 Alright, lets not be ungrateful for what we are getting! :) There should be no doubt that the Isle of Dread is located in Mystara. Heck, the Isle was what gave birth to the Known World wasn't it? But Mike, you realize this means you guys will have to print some Mystara material in a later issue of Dragon in 07, right? :) Like Cthulhudrew's upcoming article? :) ('Drew, you are feeling the pressure now too, right?) ;) How's that for getting back into my "cheerleader" role as Ray calls it? ;) Havard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 20] Author : Cthulhudrew Date : 11-22-06 03:09 PM Thread Title : Re: Dragon Issue 351 There should be no doubt that the Isle of Dread is located in Mystara. Heck, the Isle was what gave birth to the Known World wasn't it? Pretty near, yeah. And the STAP fits pretty easily into Mystara so far- I've been working on a conversion of sorts, and I know that Havard and a couple of other people on the Paizo boards are doing similar ones (though mine and theirs are in wildly different geographical locations- though the more the merrier; makes it easier to fit into individual campaigns, right?) But Mike, you realize this means you guys will have to print some Mystara material in a later issue of Dragon in 07, right? :) Like Cthulhudrew's upcoming article? :) ('Drew, you are feeling the pressure now too, right?) ;) Uhh... what? Actually been thinking a lot more about some things this week- mostly Dungeon proposals with some Mystara "place names." How's that for getting back into my "cheerleader" role as Ray calls it? ;) We've got spirit, yes we do, we've got spirit, how about Birthright? (Oh, ouch!) ;) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 21] Author : havard Date : 11-22-06 03:19 PM Thread Title : Re: Dragon Issue 351 Pretty near, yeah. And the STAP fits pretty easily into Mystara so far- I've been working on a conversion of sorts, and I know that Havard and a couple of other people on the Paizo boards are doing similar ones (though mine and theirs are in wildly different geographical locations- though the more the merrier; makes it easier to fit into individual campaigns, right?) I'm only playing a minor role in the STAP paizo discussion really. Erian and others are doing the bulk of the work. Although I lean towards placing Sasserine on Davania, I think it is great that we have several possible locations going on. As you say, it will make it much easier for the various DM's out there to find a location suiting their need. Uhh... what? Actually been thinking a lot more about some things this week- mostly Dungeon proposals with some Mystara "place names." Just meant that as a bit of encouragement since you said you might do something like that. Place names is a good way of getting some Mystara reference in there. How about Mystara appropriate monsters, NPC names etc? :) We've got spirit, yes we do, we've got spirit, how about Birthright? (Oh, ouch!) ;) :cheer: :rofl: :cheer: Havard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 22] Author : Goldrak Date : 11-23-06 05:41 PM Thread Title : Re: Dragon Issue 351 Which do you want first: the good news or the bad news? Okay, I lied. For Mystara fans there is no good news, concerning #351. The "Ecology of the Isle of Dread" is as close to Mystara content as the issue provides. At best, IIRC, that article is setting neutral. But hey, it has phanatons! :) Man...Isle of Dread with no Rakastas??? :raincloud -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 23] Author : The_Great_Green_God Date : 11-25-06 12:06 PM Thread Title : Re: Dragon Issue 351 Yes you should. :) Seriously. Don't let me have all the fun. Gorm knows what a loon like me will do to everyone's favorite campaign world. -BMC3 Now I just have to wear Mike down about that whole yak folk feature I wanna do. Mike, I'm telling you man you're getting in on the ground floor of this one. Pretty soon (just a handful of months from now) everyone will be writing about and playing dual scimitar-wielding yak folk ranger outcasts. There will be video games, action figures, plush dolls, the works. They'll be bigger than the daleks! ;) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 24] Author : MKMcArtor Date : 11-27-06 04:45 PM Thread Title : Re: Dragon Issue 351 Man...Isle of Dread with no Rakastas??? For reasons unclear to myself or others, Wizards of the Coast has forbidden us from doing anything with rakasta. Instead, I am obligated to point you toward the catfolk from Races of the Wild (I think). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 25] Author : MKMcArtor Date : 11-27-06 04:52 PM Thread Title : Re: Dragon Issue 351 Now I just have to wear Mike down about that whole yak folk feature I wanna do. Mike, I'm telling you man you're getting in on the ground floor of this one. Pretty soon (just a handful of months from now) everyone will be writing about and playing dual scimitar-wielding yak folk ranger outcasts. There will be video games, action figures, plush dolls, the works. They'll be bigger than the daleks! ;) Oh dude, I'm on board the yakfolk train. In fact, so is Wes, James Jacobs (the conductor), and James Sutter (also from Dungeon). For some unkowable reason, though, Jason hates yakfolk but gets all weepy-eyed for the abeil. The abeil. Their name means "bee" in French, IIRC. Which, as the French would also say, "is lame." So yeah, keep fighting the yak fight, man. Eventually Jason will give in... maybe... possibly... ;) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 26] Author : Cthulhudrew Date : 11-27-06 05:14 PM Thread Title : Re: Dragon Issue 351 For reasons unclear to myself or others, Wizards of the Coast has forbidden us from doing anything with rakasta. Instead, I am obligated to point you toward the catfolk from Races of the Wild (I think). That is odd. Maybe Bruce or Tom Moldvay own the rights to them. ;) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 27] Author : Cthulhudrew Date : 11-27-06 05:15 PM Thread Title : Re: Dragon Issue 351 So yeah, keep fighting the yak fight, man. Eventually Jason will give in... maybe... possibly... ;) What about Goatmen? Maybe you could slip those by him. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 28] Author : The_Great_Green_God Date : 11-27-06 05:21 PM Thread Title : Re: Dragon Issue 351 Would it help to tell him that I got an high-level adventure on Jeremy's desktop with abiels in it too? Sure it's not a three-part arc, but still... ;) Matt -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 29] Author : The_Great_Green_God Date : 11-27-06 05:26 PM Thread Title : Re: Dragon Issue 351 What about Goatmen? Maybe you could slip those by him. Goatmen don't highjack people's bodies and then get access to their memories and skill ranks. I mean really how cool is that? BMC3 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 30] Author : Goldrak Date : 11-27-06 05:34 PM Thread Title : Re: Dragon Issue 351 For reasons unclear to myself or others, Wizards of the Coast has forbidden us from doing anything with rakasta. Instead, I am obligated to point you toward the catfolk from Races of the Wild (I think). :D I'm aware of that...you already told me that, at least twice... :) I just can't help myself... :rolleyes: Catfolk are just...well, cat folk...and Rakastas are well, Rakastas!! :) Your aren't saying that catfolk are appearing in the Isle of Dread, are you? Rakastas will not be happy down there... :fight!: ;) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 31] Author : MKMcArtor Date : 11-27-06 07:14 PM Thread Title : Re: Dragon Issue 351 That is odd. Maybe Bruce or Tom Moldvay own the rights to them. ;) That would be a unique occurrence, to be sure. But then, with TSR's grasp of legality (or lack thereof), who knows, right? ;) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 32] Author : MKMcArtor Date : 11-27-06 07:26 PM Thread Title : Re: Dragon Issue 351 Would it help to tell him that I got an high-level adventure on Jeremy's desktop with abiels in it too? Sure it's not a three-part arc, but still... ;) Matt Nyaaahhh!!! Don't encourage Jason!!! :gah: I'm aware of that...you already told me that, at least twice... :) I just can't help myself... :rolleyes: Heh, sorry. It's just the party line, as it were, so whenever the rakasta come up my brain switches into corporate stooge mode. :drool: Catfolk are just...well, cat folk...and Rakastas are well, Rakastas!! :) I agree. I was always partial to the quasi-Japanese rakasta, but I certainly had no problem with the Red Steel version. :monk: You aren't saying that catfolk are appearing in the Isle of Dread, are you? I am not saying that, no. :whatsthis -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 33] Author : Goldrak Date : 11-28-06 11:40 AM Thread Title : Re: Dragon Issue 351 Heh, sorry. It's just the party line, as it were, so whenever the rakasta come up my brain switches into corporate stooge mode. :drool: The idea of using catfolks instead of rakastas, is just...:yuck: For my part, catfolk are just plain blend, colorless and uninspired. When i play in non mystara setting and a player want's to play a catfolk i show him my rakasta conversion and the catfolk is immediately dropped... I agree. I was always partial to the quasi-Japanese rakasta, but I certainly had no problem with the Red Steel version. :monk: Rakastas in whatever approach are great. :D I am not saying that, no. :whatsthis Good, we rakastas do not tolerate identity thievery...:duel: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 34] Author : Prak, the Mad Date : 11-29-06 07:26 PM Thread Title : Re: Dragon Issue 351 umm... wasn't Mystara created as part of the Known World? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 35] Author : Culture20 Date : 11-29-06 10:06 PM Thread Title : Re: Dragon Issue 351 I agree. I was always partial to the quasi-Japanese rakasta, but I certainly had no problem with the Red Steel version. :monk: The Red Steel Rakasta _were_ quasi-Japanese, just in the post-feudal transition (strangely, it's the _introduction_ of feudalism to this group that causes the cultural change). Matara, Mishiya, and Torasta bear testament to this. It was the Isle of Dread Rakasta that were stone age primitives... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 36] Author : stanles Date : 11-29-06 10:37 PM Thread Title : Re: Dragon Issue 351 umm... wasn't Mystara created as part of the Known World? the other way around Prak. The Known World existed as an area. It grew out of everything that was happening with the Basic/Expert etc rules and their modules. As this expanded and grew the Known World area was expanded to the whole world, called Mystara. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 37] Author : Cthulhudrew Date : 11-29-06 11:14 PM Thread Title : Re: Dragon Issue 351 The Red Steel Rakasta _were_ quasi-Japanese, just in the post-feudal transition (strangely, it's the _introduction_ of feudalism to this group that causes the cultural change). He might be referring to the Princess Ark Savage Coastal version of the rakasta, who were pretty distinctly English, as opposed to the Pateran/Myoshiman rakasta, who were feudal-era Japanese. Red Steel attempted to "re-Japanese" the rakasta, but they could really only do so much, with names like Pawchester, Queen Catherine, the Bishopric of Kitting, etc. Of course, there were several other different cultural types among the rakasta besides English and Japanese- as evidenced by the other nations of Patera (Rajahstan, Selimpore, Malacayog, Surabayang, etc.) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Downloaded from Wizards Community (http://forums.gleemax.com) at 05-10-08 09:31 AM.