* * * Wizards Community Thread * * * -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Thread : Could 3.5 Warlock be converted to 1e? Started at 03-31-07 11:58 PM by Kevmann Visit at http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=819979 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1] Author : Kevmann Date : 03-31-07 11:58 PM Thread Title : Could 3.5 Warlock be converted to 1e? Do you think it is possible, balance and flavor wise, to convert the warlock into 1e D&D? I know its a big thing, but I have always wanted to play one and my GM wants to play 1e, I think if I could bring to him a rough draft of the class he might allow me to play it. The issue is, this is the first time I have ever played in 1e and wouldn't even know were to start with this. Would anyone mind helping me out? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 2] Author : Solaris Date : 04-01-07 12:18 AM Thread Title : Re: Could 3.5 Warlock be converted to 1e? Just a couple of thoughts: If I were running an AD&D game, I wouldn't appreciate people trying to bring 3E stuff into it. And if I were about to play it for the first time, I think I'd be looking forward to actually playing it, rather than trying to change it. But sure, there's no reason it couldn't be done. I think the thing to do, however, is check with your DM first: tell him what type of character you'd like to make, see if that can be achieved within the rules or house-rules, and if it can't find out if he'd be willing to work with you to design a custom class. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 3] Author : Kevmann Date : 04-01-07 12:30 AM Thread Title : Re: Could 3.5 Warlock be converted to 1e? Well, I guess the issue that is coming up that I feel my class choice is too limited in 1e, thus I wanted to try something else. I have already tried to play a ranger, did 3 levels, but again it just isn't working out. I don't know if he would be willing to change it, but if I can do all the leg work and put something good together for him he might allow it. With that out of the way, what kind of damage progression on eldritch blast should they get? What kind of attack & save matrix should they have? Should there be blast shape, blast modifiers, and invocations to choose from? What warlock class abilities should stay? How can we keep an infinite casting amount balanced in a game were spell selection tends to be pretty limited? Thanks again. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 4] Author : Solaris Date : 04-01-07 12:45 AM Thread Title : Re: Could 3.5 Warlock be converted to 1e? I'm not at all familiar with the Warlock class in 3E, but check out the Monk's open hand damage progression (AD&D Player's Handbook, page 31); that might give you an idea of a "balanced" damage progression for an unlimited-use ability. That doesn't have any range, though... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 5] Author : Higmorton Date : 04-01-07 08:36 AM Thread Title : Re: Could 3.5 Warlock be converted to 1e? Based on the power of the class. I would use the experience table of the paladin and or mage. As well it would use the combat and saving throw tables of the mage. Only d4 for hit points as amage character would. I would cap the eldritch blast to 10d.6 I will have to look into this class in more detail to do any more conversion but would be will to help and ofer suggestions. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 6] Author : Kevmann Date : 04-01-07 01:03 PM Thread Title : Re: Could 3.5 Warlock be converted to 1e? Well, I could be wrong on this, but it seems to me that it should get... 1. The attack matrix and saving throws of a rogue. With a higher xp required to level, that means it wont be that good. 2. The hit points of a rogue, thus d6 3. The experience point progression of a mage 4. Just like in the 3.5e class, the eldritch blast should start at 1st level with 1d6 and increase in power every other level to a max of 9d6. So really the only issue would be converting the 3.5 warlock class abilities and invocations, blast shape, etc. to 1e. I think the invocations would be a little easier. We shorten the list and use 1e spells instead of 3.5e spells. What about the modifiers to eldritch blast? The shapes could just be converted to 1e lengths (IE yards) and then left at that. What about the essences? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 7] Author : TheDarkLord Date : 04-02-07 02:26 AM Thread Title : Re: Could 3.5 Warlock be converted to 1e? I could have sworn you were posting alot in the 3.x forums a while ago, perhaps I was mistaken. Since this is Technically my first post in the Out of Print forums I'd have to agree with Solaris though, try to put a range on the Monks damage. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 8] Author : Higmorton Date : 04-02-07 04:53 PM Thread Title : Re: Could 3.5 Warlock be converted to 1e? I would still group it in the wizard class entirely for tables, and hit points. Sounds almost like a specialist. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 9] Author : tallforadwarf Date : 04-09-07 04:42 AM Thread Title : Re: Could 3.5 Warlock be converted to 1e? I think Higmorton has got it right. Try starting with a mage. Then start dropping off a number of the spells and adding the Eldritch Blast. It would need to be toned down though - there's very little 10d6 damage each round stuff from 1st ed. PCs. If you were playing 2nd ed. I would suggest making it a CP option (15 pts?) for d6 damage. Then spending your proficiency slots on tricking it out as you level up. 2x Nonweapon slots for extra d6 of damage, limited at level/2 upgrades? Obviously with a kick a$$ summoning ritual to increase your power! /2nd ed hijack Peace, tfad -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 10] Author : Kevmann Date : 04-15-07 11:11 PM Thread Title : Re: Could 3.5 Warlock be converted to 1e? OK, so I will use the Magic-user experiance point progression as well as hit points. However, I will use the theif's list of weapons and armor as well as the theives number of weapon proficencies. Oh, and I know this is obvious but a warlock can use up to studded leather and still use his invocations and eldritch blast. However, the attack matrix is still getting me. If I use a magic-users attack matrix then I think eldritch blast should not be effected by armor or shield bonuses. Only Dex modifiers to AC will be applied for this attack. Second, I think that while blast shapes will be easy to convert to 1e, eldritch essences will be much harder. Since there is no "conditions" in 1e, should I just leave this out? Thanks again! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 11] Author : RobertFisher Date : 04-18-07 10:17 AM Thread Title : Re: Could 3.5 Warlock be converted to 1e? However, the attack matrix is still getting me. If I use a magic-users attack matrix then I think eldritch blast should not be effected by armor or shield bonuses. Only Dex modifiers to AC will be applied for this attack. I know next to nothing about the 3.5 Warlock, but I'm wondering if for this bit you should considering the eldritch blast using a different attack matrix from the warlock's mundane attacks? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 12] Author : Kevmann Date : 04-19-07 06:39 PM Thread Title : Re: Could 3.5 Warlock be converted to 1e? Interesting, what would you recommend? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 13] Author : RobertFisher Date : 04-21-07 03:20 AM Thread Title : Re: Could 3.5 Warlock be converted to 1e? Well, like I said, I'm not really familiar with the source material, & the eldritch blast doesn't strike me as something I'd be trying to import. That said, if the warlock is supposed to be good with this thing & it requires an attack roll, then you probably want to let him use the fighter or cleric table for it. I'd probably start with cleric & playtest it for a while. Then adjust from there. Although, it would probably be more in line with the spirit of the game to have no "to hit" roll, but give the target a saving throw instead. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 14] Author : Higmorton Date : 04-29-07 09:22 AM Thread Title : Re: Could 3.5 Warlock be converted to 1e? If that is case why not have be a subclass of the bard. They can have the same restrictions almost and pretty much have game balance, Because you would be changing all the abilities. But fromthe sounds of it, it shoudl fit. They shouln't be able to wear metal armor because of spells, limit the ammount of items they can carry, must tithe or whatever. It shoudl work with those tables complete if you balance it right. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Downloaded from Wizards Community (http://forums.gleemax.com) at 05-10-08 08:21 AM.