Small spoiler warning: because of the nature of this thread the list might spoil the plotlines of some novels because of dragons with an active part in the story.
Version 1.6 January 19th 2004
-Legend:
Name/Nickname(s) (type) - relations .novels appeared in (most notable appearances)
-The Dragon Gods:
Paladine/The Platinum Dragon/Draco Paladin/Bah'Mut .TLoH
Takhisis/The Five-Headed Dragon/The Dragonqueen/Tii'Mhut .TLoH
-The Five Daughters of Paladine:
Aurora (gold) - defeated the Five Sons .TDaW .The Dragons
Haraineer (bronze) .TDaW
Querrasian (copper) .TDaW
Sheeranar (brass) .TDaW
Tianaran/Argyn (silver) .TDaW .The Dragons
-The Five Sons of Takhisis:
Akis (white) - defeated Haraineer .TDaW
Arkan (blue) - defeated Tianaran .TDaW
Corrozus (black) - defeated Querrasian .TDaW
Furyion (red) - defeated Aurora .TDaW
Korril (green) - defeated Sheeranar .TDaW
-Second generation dragons (the first ones born on Krynn):
Aurican (gold) - son of Aurora .The Dragons
Aysa (bronze) - daughter of Haraineer.The Dragons
Blayze (copper) - son of Querrasian .The Dragons
Burll (bronze) - son of Haraineer .The Dragons
Crematia (red) - daughter of Furyion.The Dragons
Darlantan (silver) - son of Tianaran .The Dragons
Kenta (silver) - daughter of Tianaran .The Dragons
Mydass (gold) - daughter of Aurora .The Dragons
Oro (gold) - daughter of Aurora.The Dragons
Smelt (brass) - son of Sheeranar.The Dragons
Turq (silver) - daughter of Tianaran .The Dragons
-Third generation dragons:
Auricus (gold) - son of Aurican .The Dragons
Callak (silver) - son of Darlantan .The Dragons
Daria (silver) - mate of Callak .The Dragons
Dazzall (brass) - son of Smelt .The Dragons
Deathfyre (red) - son of Crematia .The Dragons
Tharn (copper) - son of Blayze .The Dragons
-Fourth generation dragons:
Arumnus (gold) - son of Auricus .The Dragons
Azurus (blue) .The Dragons
Bolt (bronze) - mount for Kaz .The Dragons .TLoH
Corro (black) .The Dragons
Cymbol (copper) - son of Tharn .The Dragons
D'Argent/Silvart/Silvara/Arlena Plata (silver) - sister of Lectral, mount for Gilthanas .The Dragons .DoWN .DoaNA
Heart/Gwyneth (silver) - sister of Lectral, mount for Huma .The Dragons .TLoH
Kord (brass) - son of Dazzall .The Dragons
Lectral (silver) - son of Callak, brother of Heart .The Dragons
Regia (gold) - sister of Arumnus .The Dragons
Saytica (silver) - sister of Lectral .The Dragons
Tombfyre (red) - son of Deathfyre, mount for Ariakas .The Dragons .EoA
-Fifth generation dragons:
Dargentan (silver) - son of Lectral .The Dragons
Darlant (silver) - son of Lectral .The Dragons
-Dragons with unclear ancestry:
Aerensianic/Aeren (green) - mate of Toxyria .TPK
Aester (bronze) .SotW
Amylyrix (bronze) - mother of Duranix .BotD
Andorung (red) .SotW
Arkas (gold) .The Dragons
Asperitius/Ashe (copper) .DoaNA
Aureal (gold) .TDoK
Auris (red) .TDoC
Beldieze (silver) .TDaW
Blackshanks (black) .TDoC
Blade (blue) - guardian of Tramd's citadel .DtD
Blood Gem (red) - mount for Phair Caron .DtD
Bloodglitter (red) .TDoK
Blusidar (bronze) - mate of Duranix .SotS
Bolt (blue) .HaF
Borac (black) .TDaW .TDoC
Cerium (blue) - mount for Mirielle Abrena .LoS
Char/Kaeley (blue) .TDaW
Charynsanth (red) .Conundrum
Chase (silver) - one of the guardians of the tomb of Huma .TotNS
Chayne (silver) .CotL
Claw (copper) .TDoK
Cobalt (blue) - mount for Sara Dunstan .LoS
Coss (black) .The Dragons
Croesus (copper) .TDoK
Crucible (bronze) - friend of Linsha Majere .TCC .CotL
Cupelix Trisfendamir/Pteriol (brass) .DaL
Curor Bonebreak (black) .TDaW
Cyan Bloodbane (green) .DoWN .TLoH .TWoS
Darknight (black) .Stormblade
Dathylark (brass) - one of Iyesta's brass guards .CotL
Desiristian (gold) .CotL
Dnestr (black) - Khoal's collaborator .TBW
Doom (red) .DtD
Duranix (bronze) - friend of Amero .CotP .BotD .SotS
Dusk (blue) .R&O
Ebon Nightshadow (black) .TGD
Eclipse (black) - twin of Murk .The Citadel
Elgan/Gannie (silver) .TDaW
Firefang (red) .TWoS
Firegold (gold) - mount for Crysania .TotNS .DoSF
Firestorm (red) .TCC
Ferno (red) .DoaNA
Flame Searclaw (red) .WotL .TGD
Flamestrike/Matafleur (red) .DoAT
Flare (blue) - mount for Sara Dunstan and Steel Brightblade .TSG .DoSF
Flarion (red) .Draconian Measures
Flayzeranyx/Flayze (red) .Fistandantilus Reborn
Fyremantle (red) .Dragon's Bluff
Gallinthus/Gale (blue) - mount for Dhamon .DoaNA
Gilar (brass) .SotS
Glisten (gold) - mate of Sunfire .The Citadel
Goldstrike (gold) - (possibly) mate of Firegold .TotNS
Harkiel (red) - the creator of the draconian race along with the mage Dracart and the cleric Wyrllish .The Dragons
Hekhorath (red) .SotW
Hipparan (copper) .KotC
Hollinstress/Firebird (red) - lieutenant of Malys .DoaNA
Howl (blue) .LoS
Icekill (white) .BiA
Immolatus (red) .BiA
Infernus (red) - the one who made minotaurs slavesoldiers for the ogres during the third dragon war .LotM
Jaegendar (black) .TDaW
Jahet (black) - mount for Maldeev .TBW
Kalkon (brass) .TDaW
Kerristillax (white) .TDoC
Khirsah/Fireflash (bronze) - mount for Tas
.The Dragons .DoSD .Legends
Khisanth/Onyx (black) - the guardian of Xak Tsaroth .DoAT .TBW
Khoal (black) - betrayed the Black Wing .TBW
Klassh (red) .TDaW
Kopernus (copper) .TDI
Korylark (brass) - one of Iyesta's brass guards .CotL
Koryon/Kory (silver) .TDaW
Lhode (black) .TBW
Mirror (silver) - guardian of the Citadel of Light .TWoS
Murk (black) - twin of Eclipse .The Citadel
Murmoroc (blue) .TMoN
Neetra (black) - Khoal's collaborator .TBW
Oliver (bronze) .TDoK
Pteros/Pitch (black) - Khisant's tutor .TBW
Purestian (brass) .CotL
Pyrite (gold) - mount for Fizban .DoSD
Pyros/Ember (red) - mount for Verminaard .DoAT .BtM
Quallathan (gold) - mount for Laurana .The Dragons
Razer (bronze) .TDoC
Razor (blue) .TWoS
Ringg (gold) .CotL
Salamantix (copper) - twin of Suphenthrex .SotS
Scorchfinger (red) .TPoG
Seridanax (bronze) - son of Duranix .SotS
Shadow (black) .TBW
Shalebreak (blue) .TDaW
Sheen Vlootsad (silver) .TDoC
Shimanloreth/Shimmer (bronze) .TDI
Shimmer (bronze) .DoaNA
Skyleth (silver) - sire of Ilinana .TDaW
Smalt (blue) .TWoS
Softfire (silver) .TtSY
Spuryten (blue) .The Dragons
Squall (blue) .LoS
Sterellus (bronze) .TOoG
Sthenn (green) .CotP .BotD .SotS
Sthinissh (green) .SotW
Sunfire (gold) - the protector of Gwynned .The Citadel
Sunrise (gold) - mount for Ulin .DoaNA
Suphenthrex (copper) - twin of Salamantix .SotS
Talon (black) .TBW
Tanalish (brass) .TDI
Tariskatt (bronze) .TDaW
Terrisleetix/Sleet (white) .DoAT .DoC
Tevarrek (copper) .TDaW
Thassalark (brass) - one of Iyesta's brass guards .CotL
Thrakdar (brass) .TDI
Thrakdil (brass) .TDI
Thunderstrike (blue) .BiA
Tiberia/Ty (silver) - daughter of Tyberion, mount for Kaz .LotM
Tosch (brass) .LaW
Toxyria/Toxy (green) - mate of Aeren .TPK
Tumult (blue) .LoS
Tyberion (silver) - sire of Tiberia .LotM
Tyrannus Bloodbane (green) - ancestor of Cyan Bloodbane .RotBS
Venerable Ro (bronze) - sire of Duranix .SotS
Venge Scarlet (red) .TGD
Viper (green) .DtD
Werewrym (black) .BiA
-The Overlords:
Beryllinthranox/Beryl/The Green Peril (green/alien) .DoaNA .TWoS
Gellidus/Frost/The Ice Tyrant (white/alien) .DoaNA .TWoS
Khellendros/Skie/The Storm Over Krynn (blue/alien) .DoWN .DoSD .Legends .DoaNA .TWoS
Malystryx/Malys/The Red Marauder (red/alien) .DoaNA .TWoS
Onysablet/Sable/The Living Darkness (black/alien) .DoaNA .TWoS
-The Dragonlords:
Brynseldimer/Brine (sea) .DoaNA
Fenalysten/Cinder (red) .TOoG
Iyesta/Splendor (brass) .TOoG
Lorrinar/Fume (green/alien) .TOoG
Mohrlex/Pitch (black) .TOoG
Pyrothraxus/Pyro (red/alien) .TRatS
Cryonisis/Ice (white) .CotL
Frisindia/Freeze (white) .CotL
Stenndunuus/Thunder (blue/alien) .CotL
-Miscellaneous dragons:
Clamor (blue/chaos) - corrupted by chaos .TDoC
Dhamon (shadow) .Redemption
Hopsloth (amphi) .Lord Toede
Ilinana (silver half-dragon) - daughter of Skyleth .TDaW
Liam (silver half-dragon) - the son of Huma .TDoC
Mapshaker Wanderfuss (kendragon) .TDoK
Primus (chaos/fire) - mount for Zarak Thuul .TLT
Tempest (sea) .TDI
Verden Leafglow (green/neutral) .WotL .TGD
Wyrmfather (undefined) .TLoH
-Additional unnamed uniques:
Starlight dragon (chaos/starlight) .TDoC
The Novels:
.BiA (Brothers in Arms)
.BotD (Brother of the Dragon)
.BtM (Before the Mask)
.Conundrum
.CotL (City of the Lost)
.CotP (Children of the Plains)
.DaL (Darkness and Light)
.DoAT (Dragons of Autumn twilight)
.DoaNA (Dragons of a New Age trilogy)
.DoWN (Dragons of Winter Night)
.DoSD (Dragons of Spring Dawning)
.DoSF (Dragons of Summer Flame)
.Draconian Measures
.Dragon's Bluff
.DtD (Dalamar the Dark)
.EoA (Emperor of Ansalon)
.Fistandantilus Reborn
.HaF (Heroes and Fools)
.KotC (Knights of the Crown)
.LaW (Love and War)
.Legends (The Legends trilogy)
.Lord Toede
.LoS (Legacy of Steel)
.LotM (Land of the Minotaurs)
.R&O (Relics & Omens)
.Redemption
.RotBS (Reavers of the Blood Sea)
.SotS (Sister of the Sword)
.SotW (Spirit of the Wind)
.Stormblade
.TBW (The Black Wing)
.TCC (The Clandestine Circle)
.TDaW (The Dragons at War)
.TDI (The Dragon Isles)
.TDoC (The Dragons of Chaos)
.TDoK (The Dragons of Krynn)
.TGD (The Gully Dwarves)
.The Citadel
.TLT (The Last Thane)
.TMoN (The Middle of Nowhere)
.TOoG (The Odyssey of Gilthanas)
.TotNS (Tears of the Night Sky)
.TPK (The Puppet King)
.TPoG (The Players of Gilean)
.TRatS (The Rose and the Skull)
.TSG (The Second Generation)
.TtSY (Tanis the Shadow Years)
.TWoS (The War of Souls trilogy)
.The Dragons
.TLoH (The Legend of Huma)
.WotL (War of the Lance)
192 dragons
2 dragon gods
87 metallic
18 gold
23 silver
18 bronze
12 copper
16 brass
93 chromatic (8 alien)
30 red (2 alien)
22 blue (2 alien)
11 green (2 alien)
23 black (1 alien)
7 white (1 alien)
1 amphi
1 chaos/fire
1 chaos/starlight
1 kendragon
2 sea
1 shadow
2 silver half-dragons
1 undefined (Wyrmfather)
He's the dragon that lives in Wayreth Forest...he (along with the Master of the Tower) acts as the forest's protector against the Grey Knights and Beryl.
Oh yeah and we need to add the Shadow Dragon from DoaNA and the Dhamon Saga.
Originally posted by Brimstone
What about Shatraklaang (Klaang)? Has he been in any novels/short stories? He's a pretty important dragon in the 5th Age...but I'm not sure if he's technically been in any novels.
He's the dragon that lives in Wayreth Forest...he (along with the Master of the Tower) acts as the forest's protector against the Grey Knights and Beryl.
I don't think that he has ever been mentioned in a novel. What source is he from?
Originally posted by jonesy
I don't think that he has ever been mentioned in a novel. What source is he from?
He's from The Last Tower: The Legacy of Raistlin, Dragonlance Fifth Age Boxed Set, and Wings of Fury.
And I edited the one above...we need to add the unnamed Shadow Dragon from Rabe's trilogies...unless he's already in there an I just missed him.
It'd probably be too difficult to put that puppy in alphabetical order, huh?
Originally posted by Brimstone
And I edited the one above...we need to add the unnamed Shadow Dragon from Rabe's trilogies...unless he's already in there an I just missed him.
It'd probably be too difficult to put that puppy in alphabetical order, huh?
Well the thing is, if I start adding unnamed dragons, it becomes an inhuman task of finding them in the novels. Sometimes not even their colors are mentioned. Although I do think that Rabe made a mistake not naming the shadow dragon.
I'll turn the list into an alphabetical one when I get the time (maybe tomorrow).
I'm going to be offline for a week starting today due to heading out on a little holiday trip to the countryside. So now you know.
Once again, well done jonesy.
;)
Old Sage of Palanthus
to jonesyThat's the most compreensive list of draconic references in a single document (though Weldon's Timeline comes close I think).
You should submit it to the Nexus (if you haven't already). Good show!
Eldritch that would be TLoH, The Legend of Huma. Already there.
After adding blue Bolt from Heroes and Fools we now have the first occurrance of two dragons with the same name (Kaz's bronze Bolt).
You should submit it to the Nexus (if you haven't already). Good show!
Nexus and Dragonlance.com (and any other DL site for that matter) are quite free to snatch the list and use it on their site if they want. After all it hasn't been compiled by me entirely, and it's not exactly anyones property being just a list of all the dragons in the DL novels (so it belongs to Wizards if anyone). And as long as new DL novels keep appearing, it stays a work-in-progress and I'm therefore quite happy keeping it here.
Originally posted by aurican
There is also Venge Scarlet and Ebon Nightshadow on pp. 5 of TGD. It's in the second paragraph.
Thanks. Completely missed them.
The dragon's name is Murmoroc and he is a blue dragon.
That's a...very funny name. :D
Originally posted by Hels Avatar
In Brother In Arms on the last page their is mention of Thunderstrike (blue) Werewrym (black) and Icekill (white)
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Originally posted by talinthas
btw, verden became kind of brown, with bronze and green and red highlights, sort of like tree leaves in the autumn.
It was easier to just say 'neutral', instead of 'kind of brown, with bronze and green and red highlights'. :D
Originally posted by Halabis
Also, in Reavers of the Blood Sea there is an artifact that Kiri-Jolith called the eye of ~cant remember his first name~ Bloodbane. That would indicate that there is at least one Bloodbane that came before Cyan. =)
Already on the list. ;)
Originally posted by Hels Avatar
There is also a dragon called Viper in Dalamar the Dark. I dont beleive it says its color though. It is the dragon that first comes out of the dragon orb before Cyan does.
Judging by the name Viper could be green, but I'll just mark undefined.
I think you missed that one.
See reference of Dragonlance module number twelve, page twenty-five, column one, paragraph four, sentence three-*ERK!*
(Somebody please thwap the gnome at my keyboard if he comes back.)
Originally posted by Steffen Bogh
In fact, there's also a bronze dragon in Stephen D. Sullivan's novel "The Dragon Isles" which is also called Shimmer as in Jean Rabe's trilogy. The only difference is that the full name of his dragon is Shimanloreth.
I think you missed that one.
And you are sure they are the same dragon?
Originally posted by jonesy
And you are sure they are the same dragon?
I can look tonight. I think that Shimmer is in the first SAGA module (or the second). I'm sure it would have his full name in the module...I don't recall it being mentioned in the book.
Originally posted by GFORCE99
Was Malystryx really an alien dragon? She is not a descendant of any of the original chromatic dragons?
That question is better left answered until you read the War of Souls trilogy. The origins of the Dragon Overlords and some of the lesser Dragonlords is an important plot point in that series.
Originally posted by Steffen Bogh
I got a letter from Stephen D. Sullivan where he explained that Shimmer wasn't the same dragon as in Jean Rabe's novel. So there's two dragons in the saga with the same name
Ok, so that I finally get this straight now:
1. Is Rabe's Shimmer also called Shimanloreth?
2. It Sullivan's Shimanloreth also called Shimmer?
Stephen D. Sullivan = Shimmer, Shimanloreth
Jean's Shimmer is only called Shimmer, but it says that the dragons real draconic name is too difficult for humans to pronounce.
And remeber, it is two different dragons!!!
Jean's Shimmer is only called Shimmer, but it says that the dragons real draconic name is too difficult for humans to pronounce.
Too difficult for humans to pronounce? That's a cheap way for Rabe to say 'I couldn't think of a name'.
Two bronzes with the same nickname. Wonder how they know which one the other dragons are talking about at any given time.
Originally posted by jonesy
Two bronzes with the same nickname. Wonder how they know which one the other dragons are talking about at any given time.
Dragons never go by their "nicknames" with each other.
This is a point that has been there from the very beginning in Dragonlance...and unfortunately has been completely butchered by most of the authors in the DL world.
A Dragon has two names. One is his Dragon name, one is his Mortal name. The mortals only know the Mortal name. To know a dragon's true name is to have power of him.
Which is why the Dragon Overlords (to the mortals) should only be known as Malys, Skie, Beryl, Sable, and Frost. No one should know their true names.
What started as a very interesting idea...has now turned into just a pain in the a$$ because the names no longer have any meaning (beyond true and "nick" names)...and we still have to learn two names.
Originally posted by aurican
Amylyrix (bronze) is the mother of Duranix. Mentioned in Brother of the Dragon pp. 153.
Gotcha.
Sara Dunstan's dragon is wrongly written. It's called Cobalt and in the list it's called Cobolt
Doh. :embarrass
Are all the Dragons from the 'Dragons of ...' anthologies accounted for?. I was thinking about going through them to find any that may have been missed.
I *think* they are all there.
Gilar (brass)-pp. 44
Suphenthrex (copper)-pp. 44
-twin of Salamantix
Salamantix (copper)-pp. 44
-twin of suphenthrex
Venerable Ro (bronze)-pp. 74
-sire of Duranix
Originally posted by aurican
Venerable Ro
That's really the name? Venerable?
Originally posted by aurican
It says that he was known as Venerable Ro. Then it goes on to explain how new generations got extra sylables in their names. Sthenn and Venerable Ro were of the first generation. So his real name must be Ro. The title Venerable was probably added by Duranix or another of his kin.
Sounds like an Everquest deity.
Cheers,
Cam
Originally posted by Brimstone
Dragons never go by their "nicknames" with each other.
This is a point that has been there from the very beginning in Dragonlance...and unfortunately has been completely butchered by most of the authors in the DL world.
A Dragon has two names. One is his Dragon name, one is his Mortal name. The mortals only know the Mortal name. To know a dragon's true name is to have power of him.
Which is why the Dragon Overlords (to the mortals) should only be known as Malys, Skie, Beryl, Sable, and Frost. No one should know their true names.
What started as a very interesting idea...has now turned into just a pain in the a$$ because the names no longer have any meaning (beyond true and "nick" names)...and we still have to learn two names.
I was thinking about that and came to two conclusions:
1. If the true names weren't as important as has been hinted, then it really wouldn't matter whether they used the name or the nick.
2. If the true names are as important as has been hinted, then they would probably avoid using them even among themselves for fear of eavesdroppers (etc.) so the nick would be the one mostly used anyway.
The overlords came from a wholly different world and they can be excused for 'misusing' their names because of probably very different customs.
Originally posted by drarbb
In Dragons of Krynn there is a short story entitled Scourge of the Wicked Kendragon where a kender named Mapshaker Wanderfuss is turned into a brass dragon.
I thought long and hard about not adding the kendragon because of it's, umm, somewhat temporary nature, but well, I did.
Crucible. He's a Bronze, in the Linsha Trilogy.
And....(DLCS/Lisha Trilogy SPOILERS)
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Crucible needs to replace Hogan Bight. Yep...ol' Hogan needs to be taken off the list. He ain't a dragon.
Well...either that or the DLCS is mistaken (I haven't actually had a chance to start City of the Lost yet). But the Timeline in the DLCS mentions this. Along with another huge spoiler...but I'll not mention that one.
So, word to the wise...don't read the entry for year 38 SC...or year...uh...I can't remember. Just be careful at the last few entries. One spoils The Dark Thane too.
Don't get me wrong though...I prefer them being there then them not. I do wish I'd know they were there though so I could have avoided them for the moment. Heh heh...oops.
Originally posted by DaemonAngel
Which of the Dragon Overlords are NOT from "off-world." In other words any of them domestic?
Only the ones that have the 'alien' tag are from somewhere else.
So...I guess just leave it as Crucible for now, and after someone has read City of the Lost it can be completely corrected.
Originally posted by Brimstone
Okay...Jonesy...I may have been wrong about Crucible/Hogan Bight. One of the new books says they aren't the same, the other says they are....
So...I guess just leave it as Crucible for now, and after someone has read City of the Lost it can be completely corrected.
Maybe Crucible=Hogan? It might be that City of the Lost won't correct it, since it's only the first part of a trilogy...just have to wait and see.
Originally posted by jonesy
Maybe Crucible=Hogan? It might be that City of the Lost won't correct it, since it's only the first part of a trilogy...just have to wait and see.
It probably will. Thanks to the DLCS, I've pretty much spoiled the majority of this book. HUGE things will be happening.
Now...I rechecked. 2 references (on in the DLCS and one in the AoM) states that Crucible and Hogan Bight are one and the same. 1 reference (in the DLCS) says Crucible and Hogan Bight have an agreement. Which indicates they are two different people. So...I'm not sure which is true (it'd be nice to not have the contradiction...in the same book even). Anyway...so who knows which is right. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
I've moved this book to the front of the line in my reading (sorry Rath...Middle of Nowhere is gonna have to wait ) so I can finish my errata. heh hehOriginally posted by talinthas
well, City of the Lost pretty much answers that argument =)
Could you let me know what the answer is? It will help greatly...and the book has already been completely spoiled by my reading of the DLCS and AoM...so no worries about that.
You can just send me an e-mail if you don't want to spoil it on the boards here. :D
Originally posted by talinthas
well, as corroborated by AoM and the DLCS, Hogan = Crucible. Thus, of course there will be agreement between the two =)
Cool.
Of course the DLCS also says that Hogan and Crucible are not the same.
Well...I know which one to fix now.
Well, I don't know if this is exactly a spoiler, but better to be safe than sorry. Anyway, I've finished reading City of the Lost and it does not say that Hogan Bight and Crucible are one and the same, however, it is strongly hinted that they are. Good book by the way.
[At least she figured out the cat!]
Other than that though.. wow! That's all I can say!
Originally posted by Raven15
There's also Malys's lientenant Hollinstress and her two brothers Ryidan and Karasheel. I'm not sure about the spelling.
Other than that though.. wow! That's all I can say!
I would still need to know where they get mentioned.
Originally posted by jonesy
I would still need to know where they get mentioned.
Hollinstress is in Eve of the Maelstrom and her two brothers are in some gaming product, I think the Age of Mortal boxed set.
Hollinstress is in Eve of the Maelstrom...
Oh yeah, she was the new lieutenant of Malys. I'd forgotten her name gets mentioned.
...and her two brothers are in some gaming product, I think the Age of Mortal boxed set.
No novel reference, no admission (with a couple of exceptions).
Originally posted by Raven15
*shrugs* Okay, whatever float your boat. :D
Well it is a list of dragons in novels ;)
Likewise, Scorchfinger, mentioned in my novella "Enter, a Ghost" (The Players of Gilean) is fictional in the storyline, and so perhaps is not worthy of mention in the dragon list. Unless one wishes to be a completist . . .
^_~
Paul Thompson
Originally posted by Mr. Apol
Murmoroc, the blue dragon mentioned in "The Middle of Nowhere," is a *fictional* dragon who appears in the minotaur epic poem "The Lay of the Blue Dragon."
Likewise, Scorchfinger, mentioned in my novella "Enter, a Ghost" (The Players of Gilean) is fictional in the storyline, and so perhaps is not worthy of mention in the dragon list. Unless one wishes to be a completist . . .
^_~
Paul Thompson
And one most certainly does.
Well, except that Murmoroc was already on the list. ;)
I assume Scorchfinger is a red dragon?
PBT
Originally posted by Mr. Apol
Yep, he's a red.
And on the list.
Hmm. I noticed I had counted Khirsah three times on the list, once as bronze, once as brass, and once as unclear. :embarrass
Originally posted by jonesy
Hmm. I noticed I had counted Khirsah three times on the list, once as bronze, once as brass, and once as unclear. :embarrass
Why is there confusion on this, by the way?
Just curious.
Although, now that I checked, Test of the Twins also says that he is bronze, so I think I'll go with that.
Originally posted by jonesy
Although, now that I checked, Test of the Twins also says that he is bronze, so I think I'll go with that.
Sounds like the best plan.
I figured there was a discrepincy...just didn't know where it was.Brynseldimer/Brine (sea)
Do I have this wrong? I've never been quite clear on what the differences (if there are any) between a sea dragon and a brine dragon are.
Originally posted by jonesy
Do I have this wrong? I've never been quite clear on what the differences (if there are any) between a sea dragon and a brine dragon are.
It's confusing because there's something called a brine dragon in Otherlands, as well as the more common sea dragon (whose picture always gets exchanged with the amphi dragon). Sea dragons resemble dragon turtles but they have even more dragonlike features, are smarter, and are considered "true" dragons (they have age categories, etc). Brine dragons are aberrations found in Watermere which don't have any turtle-like features, and look a lot more like the Loch Ness Monster with an enormous toothy grin.
What's most confusing is that Brynseldimer, the sea dragon overlord, is also called Brine. Don't confuse him with the brine dragon from Otherlands.
Cheers,
Cam
Originally posted by Cam Banks
It's confusing because there's something called a brine dragon in Otherlands, as well as the more common sea dragon (whose picture always gets exchanged with the amphi dragon). Sea dragons resemble dragon turtles but they have even more dragonlike features, are smarter, and are considered "true" dragons (they have age categories, etc). Brine dragons are aberrations found in Watermere which don't have any turtle-like features, and look a lot more like the Loch Ness Monster with an enormous toothy grin.
What's most confusing is that Brynseldimer, the sea dragon overlord, is also called Brine. Don't confuse him with the brine dragon from Otherlands.
Cheers,
Cam
Well, what's an Amphi dragon then?
Are you going to count the wierd dragon in The Son of Huma short story in The Dragons of Chaos? I htink he's referred to as the Starlight Dragon? He's unnamed, but I think he should get a mention due to sheer coolness factor.
Well, what's an Amphi dragon then?
That's the frog lookalike that was in Lord Toede.
Are you going to count the wierd dragon in The Son of Huma short story in The Dragons of Chaos? I htink he's referred to as the Starlight Dragon? He's unnamed, but I think he should get a mention due to sheer coolness factor.
'Starlight Dragon'? Where did you get that from?
I could enter Liam as a silver dragon, but the story isn't exactly clear on what really happens at the end.
Edit: or it is, but it isn't. Liam is on the list now anyway.
Originally posted by jonesy
'Starlight Dragon'? Where did you get that from?
Or something to that effect. It's because it looks like it's made of stars, or something.
I could enter Liam as a silver dragon, but the story isn't exactly clear on what really happens at the end.
Edit: or it is, but it isn't. Liam is on the list now anyway.
I would put him as a silver half-dragon.
Or something to that effect. It's because it looks like it's made of stars, or something.
Oh you mean the chaos dragon. Hmm. The main reason I insist that the dragons all need to have a name is that otherwise the same dragon might get on the list twice. On the other hand that particular beast is (so far) a unique dragon. What would I call it? Starlight dragon? Chaos starfield dragon? Chaos star dragon? Star dragon?
I would put him as a silver half-dragon.
Well then what is the difference between a regular and a half-dragon since Liam looked like a normal silver?
Originally posted by jonesy
Oh you mean the chaos dragon. Hmm. The main reason I insist that the dragons all need to have a name is that otherwise the same dragon might get on the list twice. On the other hand that particular beast is (so far) a unique dragon. What would I call it? Starlight dragon? Chaos starfield dragon? Chaos star dragon? Star dragon?
Maybe it was called the Starfield Dragon. I just remember that somebody called it something having to do with stars. I always called it a Chaos dragon myself.
Well then what is the difference between a regular and a half-dragon since Liam looked like a normal silver?
No, when he changed, he looked sort of like a mix of a human and a dragon. Don't you remember?
I'm still undecided as to what to do with the chaos dragon. Are there other similar dragons out there that haven't been given a name but are still unique?
Something on the starlit dragons.
Also, anybody who has read Dark Thane: Are there any dragons in it?
Iyesta's Brass Guards
Dathylark
Korylark
Thassalark
Desiristian--Gold
Chayne--Silver
Ringg--Gold
Purestian--Brass
White Dragons mentioned with Thunder
Cryonisis
Frisindia
Has Paladine appeared in his Platinum Dragon form in a novel?
Originally posted by jonesy
Has Paladine appeared in his Platinum Dragon form in a novel?
Yes, in the Legend of Huma when Huma first receives the Dragonlance.
Just for fun, you might want to give them their Istarian names, too. (Bah'Mut and Tii'Mhut)
Of course the Tarsis name is pretty reminicent of Tiamat as well (Mai-tat).
Anyway...It would be cool to at least ad the Istarian names, I think.
Originally posted by Brimstone
Yes, in the Legend of Huma when Huma first receives the Dragonlance.
How on Krynn did I forget about that.
Just for fun, you might want to give them their Istarian names, too. (Bah'Mut and Tii'Mhut)
And there they are.
Originally posted by Magus_Extreme
not sure if this has been mentioned, but Brine wasn't a dragonlord, he was a dragon overlord, at least according to the AoM book. He's got a totem and everything last i read.
Brine is something of a special case.
None of the other Overlords even knew he existed, and he wasn't an alien dragon (he was native to Krynn). He did, however, teach at least one other sea dragon how to create dragonspawn, although he never had any of his own. It's possible his brief appearance in the Dragons of a New Age trilogy sold him a little short.
Cheers,
Cam
There were only 5 Overlords. I suppose Brine fancied himself an Overlord...but from its conception (and creation of the two terms) Brine has always just been a Dragonlord.
Dragonlords can have Skull Totems, too...it's just that while Malys was around, she wouldn't allow anyone but herself, Skie, Beryl, Frost, and Sable to have them. Now that she's gone, Freeze and Ice for sure have been creating their own. And it may only be a matter of time before Fume, Pitch and Cinder create their own as well. We could have another Purge on our hands.
We'll see, I guess.
Originally posted by Cam Banks
None of the other Overlords even knew he existed, and he wasn't an alien dragon (he was native to Krynn).
Did they not know...or did they not care?
Someone had to teach him how to create dragonspawn. (which isn't an Overlord specific magic, just like the skull totems).
Originally posted by drarbb
Besides Liam and Ilinana are there any other half dragons mentioned in any Dragonlance books?
Well there's Dhamon, but he's not exactly your avarage half-dragon.
"The silver dragon Skyleth falls in love with the human woman Ulanya. Skyleth and his tribe all have sworn to remain in human form since the Third Dragon War, and live in isolation in the village of Dragonmere. Ulanya has their first child Ilinana, however dies a year later after a miscarriage. Skyleth buries his lover and takes Ilinana back to Dragonmere with him. The People of the Dragon are angered by Skyleth's actions and particularly by him bringing a human into their midst. The copper dragon Tevarrek challenges Skyleth and the two transform into dragons to battle over Ilinana's right to live in the village. Skyleth wins, however both dragons die during the fighting. Ilinana is then cared for and raised by the 'People of the Dragon'."
Cheers,
Cam
EDIT: Nevermind...it's a short story from Dragons at War.
Edit: I just hit a new problem as I was re-reading The Dragons:
This is what is said on the list:
Dargentan (silver) - brother of Silvara and Heart .The Dragons
Darlant (silver) - brother of Silvara and Heart .The Dragons
Saytica (silver) - mate of Lectral .The Dragons
But what The Dragons says would look like this:
Dargentan (silver) - son of Lectral .The Dragons
Darlant (silver) - son of Lectral .The Dragons
Saytica (silver) - sister of Lectral .The Dragons
Notice the problem? Where exactly did it say that Dargentan and Darlant were Heart's siblings and that Saytica was Lectral's mate? Or did I really have those three wrong the whole time?
Okay...you know, it's been like 7 years or so (if not more...probably more) since I read The Dragons and I have no idea where the information about Heart's siblings came from. I do know that we see D'Argent as a young wyrmling and that we realize she is Heart's sister somewhere in the book (most likely closer to the end)...so perhaps in the same section it mentions the other siblings.
Oh and Silvara calls Lectral 'uncle', while clearly called his little sister elsewhere.
Anyone who still wants the current version of the list should get it while it's still here.
I might be continuing this in the Dragonlance.com novel board. We'll see.
Anyway, a big thank you to everyone here who helped the list grow to what it is now.
And I edited the one above...we need to add the unnamed Shadow Dragon from Rabe's trilogies...unless he's already in there an I just missed him.
How did a shadow dragon make it to Krynn? I skimmed through Eve of the Maelstrom, and read the part where it attacked one of Malys' red servants. Is it an aberration (Graygem transformation perhaps) of a native dragon? Or, like the overlords, from an alien world?
How did a shadow dragon make it to Krynn? I skimmed through Eve of the Maelstrom, and read the part where it attacked one of Malys' red servants. Is it an aberration (Graygem transformation perhaps) of a native dragon? Or, like the overlords, from an alien world?
The shadow dragon in that trilogy makes more of an appearance in the next one (the Dhamon trilogy: Downfall, Betrayal and Redemption). More about its origins and its motives are revealed in there, and lead directly after that to the recent novel Lake of Death.
Cheers,
Cam
you should really compile it and send it in to the Nexus.
this thread is a valuable resource =)
you should really compile it and send it in to the Nexus.
Umm, it's been there for a long while now.
the great red they referred to was Ariakas's mount.
Which would be Tombfyre, would it not?
Which would be Tombfyre, would it not?
Correctamundo. Bearing in mind that Tombfyre was male, not female though.
Methanfire- blue male mentioned (mount of Akkad-Dar's father, Bendic Darthassian)