Dragonlance: Campaign Setting Delayed

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#1

zombiegleemax

Jun 30, 2003 17:18:07
Looks like it's release has been pushed back from August to September.
Also for some reason Dragonlance: Key of Destiny was moved up to an August release.
Dragonlance: Age of Mortals is still set for August.
http://www.dragonlance.com/products/buy.asp?store=amazon&id=309
My theory: WOTC is afraid that re-release of the new DnD Core books (3.5) will have a negative effect of the sells of the Dragonlance: Campaign Setting book. Ofcourse thats my opinion I could be wrong.
#2

Dragonhelm

Jun 30, 2003 17:34:59
Originally posted by DaemonAngel
Looks like it's release has been pushed back from August to September.
Also for some reason Dragonlance: Key of Destiny was moved up to an August release.
Dragonlance: Age of Mortals is still set for August.
http://www.dragonlance.com/products/buy.asp?store=amazon&id=309
My theory: WOTC is afraid that re-release of the new DnD Core books (3.5) will have a negative effect of the sells of the Dragonlance: Campaign Setting book. Ofcourse thats my opinion I could be wrong.

I think that's a typo on Amazon's part. After all, Sovereign Press sold advanced copies of the DLCS at Origins this last weekend. Plus, you better bet that the DLCS will be ready for release at GenCon in late July.

As for Key of Destiny, trust me when I say that it is highly unlikely that it will be ready for an August release date. It's original release date of October is more likely.

Don't worry, the DLCS will be out soon enough!
#3

zombiegleemax

Jun 30, 2003 18:44:49
I looked at the Canadian Amazon.com a moment ago and it said it was due out in on August 1st. If it is a typo on the US amazon then it wouldn't be first time they made that mistake. Ofcourse if it is a typo then the Wizards.com product list did the same thing. Guess we'll have to wait and see. ;)
#4

zombiegleemax

Jul 01, 2003 23:42:35
it's already out. It was avaiable for sale this past weekend at Origins, got my autographed copy.
#5

talinthas

Jul 02, 2003 0:09:02
then be a friend to us all and start sharing the knowledge found within =)
#6

zombiegleemax

Jul 02, 2003 8:17:09
WotC and Sovereign Press had it available for sale at Origins, which means that WotC already has the books at their warehouses ready for distribution...keep an eye out for it. I don't think that they'd delay the book that much if it's already back from the printers!

Christopher
#7

zombiegleemax

Jul 02, 2003 9:57:21
The book is 288 pages.

Chapter 1 is on races. Here in additon to all the usual races, you can also play kender, centaurs, draconians (2 sub races), and ogres(4 sub races).

Chapter 2 deal with classes and new feats. Knights of Kyrann are handled basically
as PrCs. A new core class is called Mystic, it's a divine caster that is godless. It works like sorcerer for the dvine magic. You do get d8 hit dice, and you suffer the some limited amount of known spell issue that faces the sorcerer. The knights of Krynn wite up is pretty extensive. Under Knnights of Solamnia, we have knights of Crown, Sword, and Rose. Under Knights of Neraka, we have Knights of Lily, Skull, and Thorn. We also have Steel Legionarire from the Legion of Steel. Other PrCs include Wizard of High Sorcery, Dragon Rider (love that!), Inquisitor, Legendary Tactician, and Rightous Zealot. hmm... wonder how many of those PrC the Golden General took

Chapter 3 deal with the changes of magic when you are in Krynn, and also new spells as well as new materials. It also has the list of domains for clerics and mystic.

chapter 4 is a list of deities and the updated history associated with each of them.

this is as far as I've read. So for the rest, I'll just simply mention what it covers.

Chapter 5 covers geography

Chapter 6 covers running a dragonlance campaign

Chapter 7 has new monsters of Kyrnn

Chapter 8 covers dragons, and has notes on aerial combat.

Chapter 9 covers playing Dragonlance in other eras, like the War of the Lance, Early Age of Morals.
#8

zombiegleemax

Jul 02, 2003 10:06:31
Originally posted by zefiris
The book is 288 pages.

Chapter 1 is on races. Here in additon to all the usual races, you can also play kender, centaurs, draconians (2 sub races), and ogres(4 sub races).

Chapter 2 deal with classes and new feats. Knights of Kyrann are handled basically
as PrCs. A new core class is called Mystic, it's a divine caster that is godless. It works like sorcerer for the dvine magic. You do get d8 hit dice, and you suffer the some limited amount of known spell issue that faces the sorcerer. The knights of Krynn wite up is pretty extensive. Under Knnights of Solamnia, we have knights of Crown, Sword, and Rose. Under Knights of Neraka, we have Knights of Lily, Skull, and Thorn. We also have Steel Legionarire from the Legion of Steel. Other PrCs include Wizard of High Sorcery, Dragon Rider (love that!), Inquisitor, Legendary Tactician, and Rightous Zealot. hmm... wonder how many of those PrC the Golden General took

Chapter One:
You forgot Dargonesti & Dimernesti, the four ogre races are 1/2ogres, irda, minotaurs, and ogres; dark dwarves, gully dwarves, kagonesti... ;)

Chapter Two:
You also forgot our Noble class ;)

Christopher
#9

cam_banks

Jul 02, 2003 10:08:40
Originally posted by Stormprince

You also forgot our Noble class ;)

One should never forget the Noble class!

Cheers,
Cam
#10

zombiegleemax

Jul 02, 2003 10:30:21
I knew Christopher would add stuff I missed. (felt whip cracking)

ok ok. so I'll give info on those.

Ira Ogre (high ogre): +2 int, +2 cha, -2 con, medium humaniod, can change shape 3 times per time into any humanoid type creature of small to large. can also cast dacning lights/detect magic/flare, ghost sound, light and mage hand once per day. It's a ECL +2 race.

Oges(fallen): +10 str, -2 dex, +4 con, -4 int(min 3), -4 cha, large size. has racial hit dice, racial skills/feats, also +5 natural armor. also a ECL +2.

Half Ogre: +4 str, +2 con, -2 int, -2 cha. medium size, +1 natural armor, it's ECL +1

Minotaurs: +4 str, -2 dex, -2 int, -2 cha, medium size, +2 natural armor, has
natural attack via the horns as a gore attack, 1d6+str bonus. charging gore
attack does 2d6+ 1.5 x str bonus. can attack with normal weapon attack,
and then gore attack as secondary attack at -5 to attack, half str bonus on
damage roll. I didn't see any ECL mentioned in the descrption, which surprised me.

Sea elf(dargonesti): +2 str, +2 dex, -2 cha. if your int is 10+, you get
blur, dancing light, darkness, and obscuring mist once per day. You can also
assume the form of porpoise 3 times per day. has surface sensitivity as
disadvantage. also ECL +1

Seal elf(Dimernesti): +2 dex, +2 int, -2 wis, -2 cha. can assume form of
sea otter 3 times per day. It too has the surface sensitivity disadvantage.
also ECL+1.

I'll write up the dark dwarves, gully dwarves, kagonesti later.

warning: I typed the above very quickly, so don't hurt me if you see typos.

one problem I have with the book is, howcome no indexes
#11

zombiegleemax

Jul 02, 2003 10:43:42
Originally posted by zefiris
I knew Christopher would add stuff I missed. (felt whip cracking)

one problem I have with the book is, howcome no indexes

Indexes can be problematic...and we didn't put together the DLCS, so I can't give you the reasons why WotC didn't.

We didn't include an index in Age of Mortals because there's a considerable amount of information and time that goes into putting together an index, and unfortunately, that was development time that we did not really have. We had to write both the DLCS and the Age of Mortals roughly concurrently, in order to make sure that they would be released close together. An index requires that the book be completely laid out, then someone goes in and marks all of the things that should/could be indexed. A process that can take a few weeks to put together accurately.

Yes, indices are something that many companies take hits on for not putting together, and it is something that we are working on. We just need to have a wee bit more development time to do so ;.;

Christopher
#12

ferratus

Jul 02, 2003 12:41:02
An index, if not included in the Age of Mortals or the DLCS, would still be useful as a web enchancement or a dragon magazine article (preferably web enhancement as it is free).
#13

zombiegleemax

Jul 02, 2003 20:44:45
I can't wait to get my hands on this!!! I've been wanting the Dragonlance Campaign setting since i started playing Dungeons and Dragons.
#14

zombiegleemax

Jul 02, 2003 23:38:35
Originally posted by zefiris
I knew Christopher would add stuff I missed. (felt whip cracking)

ok ok. so I'll give info on those.

Ira Ogre (high ogre): +2 int, +2 cha, -2 con, medium humaniod, can change shape 3 times per time into any humanoid type creature of small to large. can also cast dacning lights/detect magic/flare, ghost sound, light and mage hand once per day. It's a ECL +2 race.

Oges(fallen): +10 str, -2 dex, +4 con, -4 int(min 3), -4 cha, large size. has racial hit dice, racial skills/feats, also +5 natural armor. also a ECL +2.

Half Ogre: +4 str, +2 con, -2 int, -2 cha. medium size, +1 natural armor, it's ECL +1

Minotaurs: +4 str, -2 dex, -2 int, -2 cha, medium size, +2 natural armor, has
natural attack via the horns as a gore attack, 1d6+str bonus. charging gore
attack does 2d6+ 1.5 x str bonus. can attack with normal weapon attack,
and then gore attack as secondary attack at -5 to attack, half str bonus on
damage roll. I didn't see any ECL mentioned in the descrption, which surprised me.

Sea elf(dargonesti): +2 str, +2 dex, -2 cha. if your int is 10+, you get
blur, dancing light, darkness, and obscuring mist once per day. You can also
assume the form of porpoise 3 times per day. has surface sensitivity as
disadvantage. also ECL +1

Seal elf(Dimernesti): +2 dex, +2 int, -2 wis, -2 cha. can assume form of
sea otter 3 times per day. It too has the surface sensitivity disadvantage.
also ECL+1.

What about Favored Class?
#15

maladaar

Jul 03, 2003 6:12:31
it's already out. It was avaiable for sale this past weekend at Origins, got my autographed copy.

What is Origins? I checked for a website and found nothing? Is an autographed copy still available?

Anyone? Anyone? Beuller?
#16

cam_banks

Jul 03, 2003 8:23:58
Originally posted by Maladaar
What is Origins? I checked for a website and found nothing? Is an autographed copy still available?

Anyone? Anyone? Beuller?

Origins is a gaming convention held in early June in Columbus, Ohio. It's been and gone, unfortunately, but Margaret is still selling copies of the book (autographed, even) from her website at www.margaretweis.com.

Cheers,
Cam
#17

zombiegleemax

Jul 03, 2003 8:25:32
Originally posted by Maladaar
What is Origins? I checked for a website and found nothing? Is an autographed copy still available?

Anyone? Anyone? Beuller?

Origins is a big game show hosted by GAMA (Game Manufacturer's Association) held in Colombus, OH. GAMA.ORG, I believe.

Yes, there are signed copies still available. Go to MARGARET WEIS.COM and you can get a signed copy. It's just a rough website right now, Jamie's still tweaking it up, so you'll need to send an email with what you'd like signed in the book to [email]sales@margaretweis.com[/email]

Christopher
#18

cam_banks

Jul 03, 2003 8:38:08
I should just quit now and let Chris do all the talking.

Thanks for the reminder about GAMA, too. I keep forgetting that's the primary reason for Origins.

Cheers,
Cam
#19

zombiegleemax

Jul 03, 2003 8:43:19
Originally posted by Cam Banks
I should just quit now and let Chris do all the talking.

Thanks for the reminder about GAMA, too. I keep forgetting that's the primary reason for Origins.

Cheers,
Cam

*laughs!*

Not a problem Cam.

Now get back to work! :D You owe us a bunch of monsters! ;)

Christopher
#20

zombiegleemax

Jul 03, 2003 11:28:08
So, the races playable are what?

Human
Hill Dwarf (Neidar)
Mountain Dwarf (Hylar)
Dark Dwarf (Theiwar)
Gully Dwarf (Aghar)
Silvanesti Elf
Qualinesti Elf
Kagonesti Elf
Dimernesti Elf
Dargonesti Elf
Half-Elf
Gnome (Minoi)
Kender
Centaur
Ogre
Half-Ogre
Irda
Minotaur
Centaur
Baaz Draconian
Kapak Draconian

That's a lot! :D (assuming Neidar and Hylar are differentiated, and likewise Silvanesti and Qualinesti)

WOuld someone with the book (or in the know) confirm what playable races are in the book? I don't need all the details, but a list would be cool so I could start planning character ideas... ;)
#21

darkjedi26

Jul 03, 2003 14:13:50
so are kender immune to fear?
#22

qstor

Jul 03, 2003 15:03:21
zefiris - whats the basic requirements for knights and wizards of high sorcery? I hope no kender knights or wizards.


Mike
#23

zombiegleemax

Jul 03, 2003 15:33:10
So how do we go about getting a autographed copy of the Dragonlance setting.

I have called the numer on margetweis.com and sent an email.

:D
#24

zombiegleemax

Jul 06, 2003 8:02:50
I'm not sure that I agree with some of the CRs. The Irda have good stats, some very minor spll like abilites, and a shapechanging ability that is useful only for disguise and roleplaying. I would guess no more than +1. I personally probably would of given them a +2 only if they had spell resistance or some such thing.

The fallen ogre is even worse. If it is mistated, and the ecl is only a level adjustment added to his HD, that would make sense. A starting character level of 3 would be absurd for a race with racial hit dice and a +10 to strength, regardless of stat penalties. Not to mention the +5 to natural armor.

The sea elves disadvantage is a huge crutch to adventurers. Probably enough to overcome the ECL.

I really hate ECL's.
#25

zombiegleemax

Jul 06, 2003 9:17:02
Another problem I have with the race stats and ECL's.

I appreciate that Krynnish minotaurs are an ECL+0 race. But 3.5e Hobgoblins, who have poorer stats (+2 Dex, +2 Con, +4 to Move Silently) are an ECL+1 race. (I'm not sure about 3.0 Hobgoblins.)

Isn't that what ECL is supposed to represent the relative power of a race? I have a hard time accepting that Lord Toede came from a 'more powerful' race than minotaurs.

Personally, I guess I'll just drop the ECL on Hobgoblins, and give Minotaurs +6 Str. +4 Con, -2 Dex, + 4 Natural Armor, Scent as a bonus feat, all the rest of the stuff in the DLCS, and ECL+2.
#26

zombiegleemax

Jul 06, 2003 11:44:32
The truth is that ECLs are completely and utterly subjective. They're meant to balance things out, but when you look at things in the long run, ECL races actually end up with greater penalties in the long run as it takes them forever to advance in levels, far past the point where their "special abilities" are no longer disruptive or all that special any more.

In the end, WotC edited the DLCS, they're the ones that converted the stats to 3.5 (because we had no idea 3.5 was going to happen when we started the book)... but it's your game, you can always do what you want.

Christopher
#27

zombiegleemax

Jul 06, 2003 12:19:02
Originally posted by Stormprince
The truth is that ECLs are completely and utterly subjective. They're meant to balance things out, but when you look at things in the long run, ECL races actually end up with greater penalties in the long run as it takes them forever to advance in levels, far past the point where their "special abilities" are no longer disruptive or all that special any more.

True, true.

But personally, this is also the reason why I kind of like giving minotaurs an ECL. It will work out this way: the average minotaur's going to be markedly more powerful than members of most of the dominant races. This plays out in role-playing terms as well. I mean, most people sort of know that a minotaur's bad news. But in the long run, higher-level minotaurs are less prevalent than high level humans. So it might just work out. Of course, I'll have to have a copy of the DLCS in hand before I make these decisions.

About WoTC's edits, I understand the deadlines and release dates and all, but from what I've seen, there are already few (minor) slip-ups and shortcomings that could have been fixed if they had put more time and effort into it. Minotaur hooves and the lack of hoopaks are two of the things that disappointed me somewhat. Also, D&D 3.5 is a much bigger revision than most people expected, and I suspect its impact may surprise even WoTC.

But let me close by saying that I think Margaret, Christopher, Jamie, and all the great people at Sovereign Press did an amazing job, and that I'm glad that the future of Krynn's in quite excellent hands.

Oh, yeah. Just a few extra things...

I'd love to see the racial (Kender and Minotaur) weapons as soon as possible, hopefully in a web enhancement. (But I think a good permanent home for kender weapons is in the War of the Lance sourcebook.)

I hope SP or even some zealous fans can come up with a good index to the DLCS soon.

And I'm looking forward to a DL sourcebook on the Gods and clerics. I wonder what it will it be called? "Holy Orders of the Stars"?
#28

zombiegleemax

Jul 08, 2003 14:36:02
I thought in 3.5 ECL also provides hit dice, skill points and feats aswell.
#29

zombiegleemax

Jul 08, 2003 15:36:16
I ordered a copy of the Dragonlance Settings last Thursday. I now read on Margret Wies's web site they they are now on back order. How do I know if my order was shipped or if it is on back order.

#30

maladaar

Jul 08, 2003 15:48:30
I ordered a copy of the Dragonlance Settings last Thursday. I now read on Margret Wies's web site they they are now on back order. How do I know if my order was shipped or if it is on back order.

This has been asked several times, but we are still waiting for an official answer. I too ordered copies last Thursday (Jul 03) and received a confirmation of the order, but nothing about the status of when it would be shipped (advance shipment or in September).

Would be nice to know since there is no way to check the shipping status, unless I missed something at the website.
#31

Dragonhelm

Jul 08, 2003 15:49:20
Send an e-mail. Yours probably made it okay.

[email]sales@margaretweis.com[/email]
#32

zombiegleemax

Jul 08, 2003 18:22:42
Considering that as far as I am aware, there were individuals still able to order the DLCS yesterday, I'm sure that if you ordered it last Thursday, you'll be fine.

As it explains on the website, the website was a temporary fix that still needs to be completely set up as desired...and Jamie's on vacation, so he's trying to coordinate all of this from hundreds of miles away.

If you ordered before yesterday, you should be getting it any time now. Figure about 5 days for ground shipment.

Christopher
#33

zombiegleemax

Jul 08, 2003 18:24:50
So, if the Paypal didn't get in until today (paid to [email]jchambers@sovpress.com[/email], per what the email seemed to say), then will the book still be sent out with this set?

Just want to know that I didn't screw up...
#34

zombiegleemax

Jul 08, 2003 19:04:46
I have the same question as AmeriginLiath, I ordered mine Wednesday July 2, and got Jamies e-mail today about problems with there e-commerce server, and followed their instructions to pay Sovpress via PayPal.

Best wishes Kevin
#35

zombiegleemax

Jul 09, 2003 10:18:07
What are the stats for the Qualinesti and the Silvanesti Elves?
.....are kender immune to fear, or does it work differently? what about taunting?
#36

maladaar

Jul 09, 2003 10:19:53
I thought I saw a post that says the DLCS does not have stats for the Hoopak?!? Is that true? If so, how was that missed?
#37

maladaar

Jul 09, 2003 11:42:24
OK, I too just received an e-mail from Jamie stating the problem with the e-commerce server and the use of PayPal.

I have sent a reply to Jamie, as I would like to know at this point if I will be receiving advance copies or not.

I have already ordered two books from Barnes and Noble before I saw the autographed copies for sale. I still have those on order as well as placing an order for two autographed copies. If I am not receiving the advance copies, I would at least like to be informed.
#38

zombiegleemax

Jul 09, 2003 12:12:44
Eep, I ordered mine Monday and I havnt recieved any email regarding Paying via paypal *frets*
#39

cam_banks

Jul 09, 2003 13:00:15
Originally posted by Maladaar
I thought I saw a post that says the DLCS does not have stats for the Hoopak?!? Is that true? If so, how was that missed?

Kender.

Or because Process Contractual Service Memo 4355498734-APY-ZeroZero "Kendertoolsdesc" was not properly stamped and authorized at the seventeen data checkpoints at the Guild of Military Science Cataloging.

Cheers,
Cam
#40

Dragonhelm

Jul 09, 2003 13:17:11
Originally posted by Maladaar
I thought I saw a post that says the DLCS does not have stats for the Hoopak?!? Is that true? If so, how was that missed?

The monumental task of including all of Dragonlance into one volume would be near-impossible. Sure, I wish the DLCS had hoopak stats in it, but it isn't the end of the world that it doesn't.

I would like to focus more on what the DLCS does have in it. For example, it has the largest selection of races to date in DL that is available for play.

Add to that a healthy selection of classes, plus great prestige classes such as the various Knight of Solamnia and Knight of Takhisis prestige classes. There are some cool feats, great info on magic, geography, etc. etc.

If there is something you feel that was missed in the DLCS, chances are that it will be out in future Dragonlance products.

We should be celebrating, as one of the greatest role-playing worlds of all time has been reborn. Dragonlance is back, and with a vengeance!

Long Live the Lance!
#41

talinthas

Jul 09, 2003 13:23:43
so yeah, when is the nexus going to post a review/overview/summary of the book for us? =)
#42

Dragonhelm

Jul 09, 2003 13:37:01
Originally posted by talinthas
so yeah, when is the nexus going to post a review/overview/summary of the book for us? =)

Actually, I would consider it somewhat unethical if we posted a review, since we helped with the book. It would be like me writing "Dragons of Fiery Virtue", then reviewing my own book.

However, there is an area on the DL.com side where fans can post reviews of books. Fans are welcome to submit their reviews. Look under "Products".

I don't know if a Table of Contents will be made available or not. If so, it is likely that WotC will host it on their site, as it is a WotC book.

Sorry for the non-answer, Tal.
#43

talinthas

Jul 09, 2003 13:41:01
fine then. be prepared for my forthcoming review =)
#44

maladaar

Jul 09, 2003 14:07:02
Now that things are straightened out with PayPal, I can focus on other things.

I was not trying to say that the lack of the inclusion of the hoopak is the end of the world, but it just seemed kind of weird that the main weapon of choice for the kender, which is in the book, doesn't have the stats for its preferred weapon.
#45

talinthas

Jul 09, 2003 14:18:28
just waiting to find out where to paypal to....
#46

shugi

Jul 09, 2003 17:26:36
I may compile a "fan enhancement" of material that various people were expecting in the DLCS. Mind you, I'm sure that Sov. Press will release the information, but it'll be something to last people in the meantime. That said, if someone gets the book & notices something missing, let me know and maybe I'll add it.

I'll also be sending revisions for all my Nexus stuff once I've had the time to peruse the DLCS. (Consider this your warning, DH! :D )
#47

Dragonhelm

Jul 09, 2003 17:29:44
Originally posted by Eidolon
I may compile a "fan enhancement" of material that various people were expecting in the DLCS. Mind you, I'm sure that Sov. Press will release the information, but it'll be something to last people in the meantime. That said, if someone gets the book & notices something missing, let me know and maybe I'll add it.

I'll also be sending revisions for all my Nexus stuff once I've had the time to peruse the DLCS. (Consider this your warning, DH! :D )

Eep!

*runs away*
#48

maladaar

Jul 09, 2003 18:57:41
Thinking upon it now, there may have been good reasons to leave certain things out. One so that it is part of the books in complete control by SP, which is not a bad idea if my assumption is correct.

A web supplement (not necessarily everything) would be more than satifactory until future products are released (*waits with baited breath*).

I am so happy that those people that said DL would never be back as an RPG are eating their words. Thankfully we had people that were willing to fight to keep it alive! :fight!:
#49

zombiegleemax

Jul 09, 2003 20:21:10
Just got the email confirmation that my copy of the DLCS shipped today -- thanks to Jamie, Chris, and the others for putting up with my constant paranoia about the shipment! :D
#50

zombiegleemax

Jul 09, 2003 22:28:23
Originally posted by qstor
zefiris - whats the basic requirements for knights and wizards of high sorcery? I hope no kender knights or wizards.


Mike

to become Knights of the Crown, you have to be lawful good, have base attack bonus +3, base save bonus: fort +4
skills: diplomacy 2, knowledge (religion) 2, ride 2
feats: armor proficiency (heavy, honorbound, martial weapon proficiency (any), shield proficiency
special: squire of the crown: the character must already have been accepted as a squire . Which I suppose you can use that to "prevent" kender from being knights, and there is also the alignment requirement. I can't see too many kenders as LG.

wizards of high sorcery:
alignment: any evil (black robe), good (white robe), or neutral (red robe)
base save bonus: will +4
spellcasting: cast 2nd level arcane spells, and specialized in a school of magic: abjuration or divination (white), illusion or transmutation(red), enchantment or necromancy(black)
skills:spellcraft 7
feats: spell focus(any), any two item creation or metamagic feats.
special: test of high sorcery: must pass the test
#51

zombiegleemax

Jul 09, 2003 22:30:29
Originally posted by DarkJedi26
so are kender immune to fear?

yes, magical and otherwise.
#52

zombiegleemax

Jul 09, 2003 22:37:00
Originally posted by Silvan_of_Eldamar
What are the stats for the Qualinesti and the Silvanesti Elves?
.....are kender immune to fear, or does it work differently? what about taunting?

Qualinesti is pretty "normal". same as player handbook, plus has Elvensight (darkvision up to 30 feet, retain abilities to see colors and details in poor illumination), +1 racial bonus on diplomacy and sense motive.

Silvanesti: +2 dex, +2 int, -2 con, -2 cha. elvensight, +1 on knowledge (arcana) and spellcraft.

as for taunt for kender. You get +4 racial bonus on all bluff checks used to taunt someone.
#53

zombiegleemax

Jul 09, 2003 23:02:31
Are sorcerors "renegades" in the new DLCS? Are there writeups for any iconic characters?
#54

maladaar

Jul 10, 2003 4:43:58
originally posted by zefiris:
wizards of high sorcery:
alignment: any evil (black robe), good (white robe), or neutral (red robe)
base save bonus: will +4
spellcasting: cast 2nd level arcane spells, and specialized in a school of magic: abjuration or divination (white), illusion or transmutation(red), enchantment or necromancy(black)
skills:spellcraft 7
feats: spell focus(any), any two item creation or metamagic feats.
special: test of high sorcery: must pass the test

Ahriman -

Judging by the quote it states that the would be Wizards of High Sorcery need only be able to cast 2nd level arcane spells, not that their core class be a wizard.

This is purely conjecture on my part as I do not have the book...yet.
#55

zombiegleemax

Jul 10, 2003 10:36:50
It also says the character must be specialized in a school of magic, which I believe only wizards can do, that is unless you allow incantantrixs into your game.
#56

talinthas

Jul 10, 2003 10:42:49
but remember, you don't have to be in the PrC to be a wohs.
#57

Dragonhelm

Jul 10, 2003 10:45:22
Originally posted by Nox11
It also says the character must be specialized in a school of magic, which I believe only wizards can do, that is unless you allow incantantrixs into your game.

Correct, sorcerers cannot specialize.

I believe also that the WoHS must be able to prepare 2nd-level spells. This, also, is important, as sorcerers and bards cannot prepare spells.

As for whether or not sorcerers are considered renegades...I believe that has yet to be revealed.
#58

zombiegleemax

Jul 10, 2003 20:43:56
Does anybody know if any DL chars have writeups in the new DLCS?
#59

zombiegleemax

Jul 10, 2003 22:51:08
Originally posted by Maladaar
Ahriman -

Judging by the quote it states that the would be Wizards of High Sorcery need only be able to cast 2nd level arcane spells, not that their core class be a wizard.

This is purely conjecture on my part as I do not have the book...yet.

sorry, I was typing a tad too fast. What it actually stats is "Ability to prepare and cast 2nd level arcane spells.

So yes, only wizards can take this PrC. However, you don't need to take this PrC to be a Wizard of High Sorcery.
#60

zombiegleemax

Jul 10, 2003 22:54:59
Originally posted by Ahriman Tenebris
Are sorcerors "renegades" in the new DLCS? Are there writeups for any iconic characters?

while the book touched on sorceror and explain that their magic isn't drawing the power from the moon, it doesn't say they are "renegades" per se.

yes on write up of iconic characters, for example page 164 is Linsha Majere, (daughter of Palin and Usha)
#61

zombiegleemax

Jul 11, 2003 0:51:52
Originally posted by zefiris
while the book touched on sorceror and explain that their magic isn't drawing the power from the moon, it doesn't say they are "renegades" per se.

yes on write up of iconic characters, for example page 164 is Linsha Majere, (daughter of Palin and Usha)

Any info on mina? I'm dying to know her levels/stats
#62

daedavias_dup

Jul 11, 2003 1:36:39
I was bad and preordered the book on amazon. The problem with this is I start college soon and am supposed to be saving lots of money for it. oops
#63

zombiegleemax

Jul 11, 2003 5:28:52
Hmm...

Perhaps Sorcerers are simply practicioneers of the 5th age arcane magic, as opposed to the classic "wizard."

-Robert
#64

maladaar

Jul 11, 2003 5:59:32
What is the problem with sorcerers being one of the following "in any age"?

A descendant of an offspring between one of the gods of magic and a mortal (you see this in mythology all the time).

A descendant of a mixed-bloodline that traces back to a magic-using race--such as the Irda or even Dragon.

I personally am not going to have the sorcerer as a renegade as it has been stated that to take the test one is not required to be able to prepare spells. Only the WoHS PrC requires that.

Again until I actually see the book (which will be in 3 to 5 days ), these are just ideas.
#65

zombiegleemax

Jul 11, 2003 11:47:00
Are there any differences between the various Silvanesti Houses (what are all the houses, by the way?) and what are the favored classes of the kender, elves, minotaurs, centaurs, irda, etc...?
oh...and lastly, are there stats for the Staff of Magius and if so what are they?
#66

maladaar

Jul 11, 2003 13:12:28
Actually that would be cool to see some sort of breakdown for the Silvanesti Houses (and the bonuses to skills granted), but I think that might end up in a racial specific book.

*wink ;) , wink ;) , nudge, nudge*
#67

zombiegleemax

Jul 11, 2003 14:08:24
Originally posted by Silvan_of_Eldamar
Are there any differences between the various Silvanesti Houses (what are all the houses, by the way?) and what are the favored classes of the kender, elves, minotaurs, centaurs, irda, etc...?
oh...and lastly, are there stats for the Staff of Magius and if so what are they?

no differences between various houses of Silvanesti.

favor class:
Kagonesti :ranger
Qualinesti: same as elf in PBH
Silvanesti: same as elf in PBH
Half-elf: any
Dargonesti: fighter
Dimernesti: barbarian
gnome: the first class he takes.
kender: rogue
centaur: ranger
baaz draconian: fighter
kapak draconian: rogue
irda: wizard
ogre: barbarian
half-ogre: fighter
minotaur: fighter


there is stats both for staff and dager of magius.

it's +2 quarterstaff, gives +3 deflection AC,
feather fall (holder only) once per day
daylight (on staff only ) once per day
the bearer cn cast up to 3 spells per day that
have enlarged feat for free, but must be spells that create light, spells that manipulate air, or spells that affect minds.
it also stats that "the staff seems to exhibit difference magical abilies for different wielders" (ie, the DM gets to add random stuff )
#68

zombiegleemax

Jul 11, 2003 14:11:01
Originally posted by Robert N.
Hmm...

Perhaps Sorcerers are simply practicioneers of the 5th age arcane magic, as opposed to the classic "wizard."

-Robert

Ok, here is the actualy description of Sorcerer:
Sorcerers are spellcasters who can channel arcane energy without drawing powe rfrom the moons of magic. By extending their awareness into their surroundings, sorcerers tap into the arcane energies that were used to create Krynn itself and focus those energies into magical spells. Their art is called "primal sorcery" in contrast to the highly structures practice of wizardary and High Sorcery.
#69

zombiegleemax

Jul 11, 2003 14:15:05
Originally posted by Ahriman Tenebris
Any info on mina? I'm dying to know her levels/stats

While there is a section about Mina and Goldmoon, as well as a illustration, no stats. (page 276 for those you that have the book). If there is stats elsewhere on her in the book, I missed it.
#70

ferratus

Jul 11, 2003 14:43:59
Hmm... the favoured classes are pretty much as I expected them to be, with the exception of the elves. I expected the Kagonesti to be barbarians and the Qualinesti to be rangers. Other than that it fits my expectations.

Do the Dark Dwarves still have fighter as their favoured class?

I love the description of the gnomish favoured class. It isn't much different, stat-wise, from the human or half elf. However, by saying "the first class he takes" you pump them full of flavour as the consumate experts in a given field.
#71

zombiegleemax

Jul 11, 2003 15:09:46
Yes, the Staff of Magius would be pretty sweet to have updated stats, though I'm weary to see them somehow fit that into a 2,000--4,000gp cost as a magic item. After all, Raistlin's staff stayed with him all the way to Godhood (in that reality).

-Robert
#72

zombiegleemax

Jul 11, 2003 15:10:48
Originally posted by zefiris
While there is a section about Mina and Goldmoon, as well as a illustration, no stats. (page 276 for those you that have the book). If there is stats elsewhere on her in the book, I missed it.

*psst* Remember who's on the cover of Age of Mortals? Guess where you can find her stats ;)

Christopher
#73

zombiegleemax

Jul 11, 2003 15:12:02
That description of the sorcerer sounds almost exactly like the description of arcane magic in the 5th age box (yes yes... I actually bought it... and got expelled from school when they searched my locker and found it).

-Robert
#74

zombiegleemax

Jul 11, 2003 18:06:35
Originally posted by ferratus
...
Do the Dark Dwarves still have fighter as their favoured class?
...

no, dark dwarf favor class is rogue. Gully Dwarf favor class is rogue also. Hill and Mountain dwarf is same as PHB.
#75

zombiegleemax

Jul 11, 2003 19:02:57
Originally posted by zefiris
While there is a section about Mina and Goldmoon, as well as a illustration, no stats. (page 276 for those you that have the book). If there is stats elsewhere on her in the book, I missed it.

I think I'm going to stat Mina out myself. I'll post on this thread when she's done for feedback. With Takhisis dead, she obviously no longer has levels of cleric, but I'm mulling over various combinations of mystic, blackguard, and hierophant which would appropiately reflect her in post WoS.
#76

nicodemus_dup

Jul 23, 2003 8:51:26
Originally posted by zefiris
no, dark dwarf favor class is rogue. Gully Dwarf favor class is rogue also. Hill and Mountain dwarf is same as PHB.

What are the gnome and gully dwarf racial stats?
#77

jonesy

Jul 23, 2003 9:21:08
Originally posted by Robert N.
That description of the sorcerer sounds almost exactly like the description of arcane magic in the 5th age box (yes yes... I actually bought it... and got expelled from school when they searched my locker and found it).

Expelled? Why?
#78

zombiegleemax

Jul 25, 2003 5:43:34
Well, being a budding writer at the time (my freshman year of high school), I wrote a story. In this story, a poor guy found his alarm clock wouldn't start. Why? Someone disconnected his power line to the house by shooting it. I allowed a few people to see this story (4 pages long, actually). Someone decided to lie to the administration and tell them that I had a paper saying I was going to shoot someone.

Following that tip, they searched my locked, and what did they find? A 5th age box set, sitting in my locker, never having been anywhere near another student or even out in the building. After seeing depictions of mystics and dragons, they decided that I had violated section 3.21 "Any offense the Administration feels reasonably falls within this catagory." Apparently, the possession of the 5th age base set is on equal ground to raping a teacher, selling heroin, beating someone into a bloody pulp... possibly all at once ;) (All of those are examples of classified section 3 offenses).

In result for this, I was sent to alternative school for the rest of the semester (They sent a cab to and from my house every day) and had to use the alternative school administrator's laptop computer daily in order to complete my classes. After attempting to return the next semester (spring semester) I found that I was somehow magically "not in zone." So, then, I began attending Leeds High School... that doens't sound too bad does it? But, let's take a look at the distances involved:

My House to Shades Valley High School

My house to Leeds High School

That doesn't look too bad, until you remember that the bus to Leeds had approximately 15 more stops to make, on a rout that did not stick to the rout outlined in the second link.

Anywho, given that my mother was rather worthless at the time (she's now in nursing school... after I gave her over $1,000 of my financial aid), she didn't do anything, and a child doesn't even have the authority to see his own record, let alone challege the Board of Education.

Anywho, I spent a year at Leeds, moved to Pell City, Alabama, got out of that craphole of a redneck school, got my G.E.D., and today, at 20 years old (21 this september), I'm at Jacksonville State University studying a double major of English and Geography with plans to take a graduates degree in secondary education.

-Robert
#79

zombiegleemax

Jul 25, 2003 10:09:20
You got expelled because 5th age sucks. Hehe, just teasing.

That sounds like a far fetched story; if that happened exactly the way you say, then that is crazy. I am a substitute teacher and I have never heard of a school that would expell you for that.
#80

jonesy

Jul 25, 2003 11:09:28
Damn Robert, that's crazy. I can't imagine anything like that happening here. In my high school the teachers themselves had a DnD club where anyone wanting to participate in their campaigns could.
#81

zombiegleemax

Jul 25, 2003 12:10:23
Please take notice of my location.

Alabama.

They're still trying to get used to the idea of literacy here ;)

I'm in University, yet my internet access is censored. I'm 20 years old, but I'm not considered responsible enough to live in a campus apartment

Alabama is a messed up place.

-Robert
#82

zombiegleemax

Jul 25, 2003 12:19:24
Originally posted by zefiris
I'll write up the dark dwarves, gully dwarves, kagonesti later.

So am I still Waiting.
Can't find a good reason
Can't find hope to believe in


-Robert
#83

zombiegleemax

Jul 25, 2003 12:27:56
Originally posted by ferratus
Hmm... the favoured classes are pretty much as I expected them to be, with the exception of the elves. I expected the Kagonesti to be barbarians and the Qualinesti to be rangers.

Hey....that's true. Kagoniesti are primitive, but perhaps they are not prone to the barbarian rage. I suppose ranger still suits admirably enough, you don't need to be genius to be a ranger, and the other facets like trackless step and animal companion and such would all suit very well.

I think the qualinesti should have ranger though. It will help distinguish them from the silvanesti (where wizard would be very appropriate), and it fits my image of them.

I was a bit surprised to see dimernesti as barbarians.

But overall, Kapak=rogue is cool. It's what I would expect, but just the idea of having a kapak rogue pc sounds very cool to me.
#84

zombiegleemax

Jul 27, 2003 21:01:34
Originally posted by Robert N.
So am I still Waiting.
Can't find a good reason
Can't find hope to believe in


-Robert

Sorry, here they are.

For dark dwarf, they have all the dwarven racial traits from PHB, and the following
+2 con, -4 cha, dark vision to 120 feeet, +2 racial bonus on hiide, listen, and move silently. They also have light sensitivity, thus -2 on circumstance penalty on attack/save/checks in bright sunlight or under a daylight spell.
favor class:rogue

Gully Dwarf:

+2 dex, +2 con, -4 int, -4 cha, size small, +1 size bonus to AC, +1 size bonus to attack, +4 size bonus on hide. speed is 20 feet. has survivial instinct, which is a +2 racial bonus on hide, move silently, and survival checks.
hardy: +2 racvial bonus on fortitude save to resist posion and disease
pitiable: they get +4 racial bonus on diplomacy checks to conveince an enemy not to harm them.
cowardly: -4 penalty on level checks to resist intimidation checks made against them, and on saving throws against fear effect.
favor class: rogue


kagonesti:

+2 dex, -2 int, -2 cha
elvensight
free martial weapon proficiency feats with short sword, long spear, shortbow(include composite), longbow(also inlcude the composite)
+1 racial bonus on knowledge(nature) and survival
favor class: ranger