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Very simple variant Defiler/Preserver system (revised)

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#1
player1
Jul 05, 2003 6:48:02 Preserving benefits: As in PHB
Defiling benefits: You could cast them as normal, or you could use Enhanced Defiling
Terrain modifiers: None for free. Not possible casting in obsidian plains.

Enhanced Defiling: By extending casting time of your spells to full-round, you gain effectively +1 bonus to caster level. Spells with normal duration of full round or longer need an extra round to be casted in this way. You can only use this ability when defiling and you need to be on infertile or better terrain.

Greater Defiling [General]
You are better in enhancing your defiling

Prerequisites: 5th level defiler, Greater Fortitude

Benefits: To gain benefits of enhanced defiling, you only need to spend full-round action. This means that it's same as normal casting exempt that you can only make 5ft movement before or after the casting.

Special: You could take this feat in place of wizard's bonus metamagic feat.

Designer notes:

Very simple.

Basic version of Enhanced Defiling has pros and cons so it's just one extra option for defilers, not something that makes them more powerful. But it's good enough for temptation purposes. It could even be imported in some other magic system easily.

Greater Defiling actually makes defilers more powerful, but you need 2 feats, casting as full-round action and it only works on some terrain. And it also gives something to strive for (after enduring early levels without ability to conceal magic, in way like preserver can).

I removed terrain mods, since they could make things complicated and don't work well with caster levels.
And in 1st DS boxed set, terrain only mattered when calculating defiling radius.
#2
player1
Jul 06, 2003 7:15:03 I've changed name of the thread to avoid confusion.
#3
player1
Jul 11, 2003 13:48:15 So, no comments?
#4
zombiegleemax
Jul 11, 2003 14:03:49 Okay...

Greater Defiling seems okay.

Enhanced Defiling though is still unbalancing. It gives wizards the option to gain more power without balancing anything against that. Simply put, a wizard with the Enhanced Defiling power is better than one without it.

I'd just have the Greater Defiling feat, although kill the prerequisites.
#5
player1
Jul 11, 2003 17:07:23
Originally posted by Afghan
Okay...

Greater Defiling seems okay.

Enhanced Defiling though is still unbalancing. It gives wizards the option to gain more power without balancing anything against that. Simply put, a wizard with the Enhanced Defiling power is better than one without it.

I'd just have the Greater Defiling feat, although kill the prerequisites.

But it's still relatively minor benefit and they need full-round to cast such spell.

FULL-round (not full-round action).

So it's pretty possibile that spell never gets caster due to interruption, even without need for ready action.

It has good things and bad things.
At the end, it's just extra option for defielrs.

Not always a better option.

And it's not only for defilers, since preserver can do the same thing (but with risk of becomeing defiler).

P.S.
It's good for temptation purposes, but not good enough to say that defilers are better then preservers.
#6
zombiegleemax
Jul 11, 2003 17:12:30 But it still makes Athasian wizards better than PHB wizards. If you don't mind that, then there probably isn't a problem.
#7
player1
Jul 11, 2003 18:33:53 No, it just gives them extra option.

They can still cast spell in same way as standard wizard.

And they still have defiler radius (athas or not, druids will hunt you).

And they are still pretty much helpless in lifeless enviroment (not standard wizard).

Different, not better.

If I could have option to play standard wizard instead of defiler, I would choose it, even in world full of plant life.

Druids won't hunt me, and I could use spells with plannar travel.
And +1caster level for full-round is not big deal.
#8
player1
Jul 11, 2003 18:37:46 Only benefit:
Option to get +1castrer level for loner spellcasting duration.
(and that doesn't need to be benefit)

Penalities:
Defiler radius (beware of druids).
Weakness in lifeless enviroment.

I don't see how that mekes them more powerfull then PHB wizard.
They look almost same too me.

Both with cons and pros.
#9
player1
Jul 14, 2003 5:11:43 Well, it looks like it's to late to get any use of this.

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#1 player1 Jul 05, 2003 6:48:02	Preserving benefits: As in PHB Defiling benefits: You could cast them as normal, or you could use Enhanced Defiling Terrain modifiers: None for free. Not possible casting in obsidian plains. Enhanced Defiling: By extending casting time of your spells to full-round, you gain effectively +1 bonus to caster level. Spells with normal duration of full round or longer need an extra round to be casted in this way. You can only use this ability when defiling and you need to be on infertile or better terrain. Greater Defiling [General] You are better in enhancing your defiling Prerequisites: 5th level defiler, Greater Fortitude Benefits: To gain benefits of enhanced defiling, you only need to spend full-round action. This means that it's same as normal casting exempt that you can only make 5ft movement before or after the casting. Special: You could take this feat in place of wizard's bonus metamagic feat. Designer notes: Very simple. Basic version of Enhanced Defiling has pros and cons so it's just one extra option for defilers, not something that makes them more powerful. But it's good enough for temptation purposes. It could even be imported in some other magic system easily. Greater Defiling actually makes defilers more powerful, but you need 2 feats, casting as full-round action and it only works on some terrain. And it also gives something to strive for (after enduring early levels without ability to conceal magic, in way like preserver can). I removed terrain mods, since they could make things complicated and don't work well with caster levels. And in 1st DS boxed set, terrain only mattered when calculating defiling radius.
#2 player1 Jul 06, 2003 7:15:03	I've changed name of the thread to avoid confusion.
#3 player1 Jul 11, 2003 13:48:15	So, no comments?
#4 zombiegleemax Jul 11, 2003 14:03:49	Okay... Greater Defiling seems okay. Enhanced Defiling though is still unbalancing. It gives wizards the option to gain more power without balancing anything against that. Simply put, a wizard with the Enhanced Defiling power is better than one without it. I'd just have the Greater Defiling feat, although kill the prerequisites.
#5 player1 Jul 11, 2003 17:07:23	Originally posted by Afghan Okay... Greater Defiling seems okay. Enhanced Defiling though is still unbalancing. It gives wizards the option to gain more power without balancing anything against that. Simply put, a wizard with the Enhanced Defiling power is better than one without it. I'd just have the Greater Defiling feat, although kill the prerequisites. But it's still relatively minor benefit and they need full-round to cast such spell. FULL-round (not full-round action). So it's pretty possibile that spell never gets caster due to interruption, even without need for ready action. It has good things and bad things. At the end, it's just extra option for defielrs. Not always a better option. And it's not only for defilers, since preserver can do the same thing (but with risk of becomeing defiler). P.S. It's good for temptation purposes, but not good enough to say that defilers are better then preservers.
#6 zombiegleemax Jul 11, 2003 17:12:30	But it still makes Athasian wizards better than PHB wizards. If you don't mind that, then there probably isn't a problem.
#7 player1 Jul 11, 2003 18:33:53	No, it just gives them extra option. They can still cast spell in same way as standard wizard. And they still have defiler radius (athas or not, druids will hunt you). And they are still pretty much helpless in lifeless enviroment (not standard wizard). Different, not better. If I could have option to play standard wizard instead of defiler, I would choose it, even in world full of plant life. Druids won't hunt me, and I could use spells with plannar travel. And +1caster level for full-round is not big deal.
#8 player1 Jul 11, 2003 18:37:46	Only benefit: Option to get +1castrer level for loner spellcasting duration. (and that doesn't need to be benefit) Penalities: Defiler radius (beware of druids). Weakness in lifeless enviroment. I don't see how that mekes them more powerfull then PHB wizard. They look almost same too me. Both with cons and pros.
#9 player1 Jul 14, 2003 5:11:43	Well, it looks like it's to late to get any use of this.