Cleansing Wars

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#1

zombiegleemax

Jul 05, 2003 18:57:09
You know, I've been reflecting on how cool it would be to run a game set during the Cleansing Wars... or importing the Cleansing Wars into another setting saying say... modern day Faerun is actually Green Age Athas....

Thoughts?
#2

nytcrawlr

Jul 05, 2003 22:11:39
I was going to run a campaign that started in the Green Age on the eve of the Cleansing Wars and progress from there. Had some weird **** going on too that tied the PCs to the whole thing, but that's neither here or there.

I esectially was going to use the races from MM1 for the Green Age races, goblinoids, orcs, etc. Realizing that even some of the Green Age counterparts were different, and the fact that I ran into some real life issues, I wasn't able to get the campaign going.

Looking forward to running it again if I find some willing players though at this point I just might concentrate on creating a Barsoom Dark Sun or maybe a Dark Sun with some Barsoom elements.

The Real Dark Sun
#3

zombiegleemax

Jul 06, 2003 0:48:44
Burroughs was a great writer, very cheesy, but still fun to read. Not too sure if elements from Barsoom would fit into Athas very well, but it would definately work the other way around in a Barsoom campaign.

Someone else (Grummore?) was working on a Green Age setting that would be based either just before or at the start of the Clensing Wars. Not sure how its going though.

As for porting in another campaign setting to use as Green Age Athas, I guess its each to their own. From what I've gathered though through City by the Silt Sea, Windriders, and the Last Sea books, Athas' past was very different than a standard medievil campaign setting. I think innitially, one was led to believe that Athas' past was a normal one, but ths was a play on assumptions by the setting creators. The only problem with porting in another setting may come from the player's knowledge of the setting as they begin to search for clues about Elminster or Raistlin or fret about the ancient Iuz Empire, even if you have yet to introduce these specific elements into your Athasian past. For a quick port with minimal effort, I'd suggest finding a setting (rp game or even fantasy novel based) that your players know nothing about (Scarred Lands, Kalamar, or even Exalted, while all somewhat popular, are still unknown to many players; in the novel genre Tad William's Memory, Sorrow and Thorn trilogy [I forget the world name], or for a real twist, the Green Age was Arrakis, Dune, during the reign of Emperor Leto II and the Blue Age was a lie ;)).
#4

nytcrawlr

Jul 06, 2003 1:59:30
Yeah, thinking of incorperating some more Dune elements as well. Haven't read any of the books though, just saw the movie and the two mini series that Sci-fi has done, which I assume are damn near the books.

Got the books on order though, just could never get past Hubert's writing style of taking 20 pages to describe a lamp. Ah well, Tolkien and Robert Jordan aren't too far from being that descriptive and I can deal with them, so here goes nothing.
#5

zombiegleemax

Jul 06, 2003 2:54:27
Heh, I always thought he was a minimalist in desccription. He tends to leave much to the imagination. Its the intricate character developements that always threw me, that and the depth of 'weird words and even more weird definitions'. He has a way of making his character's seem predictable, but you only think that after the sequence is done. That and the web upon web of themes running through each story that only get thicker as the novels progress. Best series novel I've come across yet. The revival of the Dune by his son Brian Herbert is nice, but the new books are not nearly as groundbreaking (still waiting for the finishing book, Dune 7 . . . sorry to spoil it if you get to Chapterhouse: Dune, its a cliffhanger ending not continued due to Frank Herbert's death ). Actually, I think it was a love of Dune that led to a love of Athas.

I digress yet again. (stick to the thread topic I tell myself, but it never happens).
#6

nytcrawlr

Jul 06, 2003 3:10:18
Same here, always loved the idea od Dune, even though I only saw the movie back in the day and that lead to the love of Athas.

Now that I find out that Athas was actually based on Barsoom and bits and pieces still made it to the final product, only makes me want to read those books now as well, which I have the first 5 coming. They look short and should provide the much needed break between the Wheel of Time books.

I also have all 6 books added to my wish list as well as the series on the houses and the Machine Crusade, which I guess is done by his sone and Kevin Anderson (another writer I enjoy). No idea what this book is about but I added it anyways.



Anyhoo, I was thinking, judging by what I'm seeing with the Barsoom art it looks like a world that is a bit on the tech side. You could probably use some of these elements for the Green Age and say they are psionic based instead, since there were psionic steps and such that teleported people around and did various other things.

Although, I do like Mach's idea of having the Blue Age be a complete lie, mwuahahaha. Think it would be interesting to make the Green Age a lie too, or mostly a lie. The world has always been barren, it's just gotten worse over the centuries. The Cleansing Wars were overexaggerated, Rajaat, if you ignore the PP that is, is just a conjuration of fear that the champions/SMs created to instill fear in the masses and has, over the generations, turned to the current ghost stories told to children at bedtime now.
#7

zombiegleemax

Jul 06, 2003 3:24:21
The world has always been barren . . . .

Nyt, you are ebil.

Very, very ebil.

I like it . . . .
#8

nytcrawlr

Jul 06, 2003 3:40:51
Got to use brainpower that's not being used on gaming currently for other imaginative ideas I guess, muwhahahaha.

#9

zombiegleemax

Jul 07, 2003 9:19:39
I always thought that Dune begat Dark Sun in some way. The merchant houses, the iron fisted rulers, the psionics.... Its all there. Luckilly for us, Dark Sun turned into its own world with its own politics and scenarios.
#10

nytcrawlr

Jul 07, 2003 10:03:32
Dark Sun has some Dune elements as well, you are correct.

It was mostly conceived from Barsoom though.
#11

zombiegleemax

Jul 07, 2003 10:45:18
I'll have to read through that sometime.
#12

glacialis

Jul 07, 2003 15:58:56
Speaking of Green Age goodness, is there anyone out there who can point me to a timeline of Blue Age through "modern" Athas?
#13

nytcrawlr

Jul 07, 2003 16:04:37
Timeline
#14

xlorepdarkhelm_dup

Jul 07, 2003 16:07:55
Wanderer's Chronicle, I think covers a timeline from blue age to "present day" Athas.
#15

glacialis

Jul 07, 2003 22:54:12
Thanks to both. Nyt, that's what I was looking for -- I only just now realized that I'd seen that before and was looking for it. :D