Q: Future products and Related questions

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#1

maladaar

Jul 12, 2003 8:10:31
After the DLCS hits the market and eventually other products are released from SP, will we still be able to post questions here that are related to material not published by WotC?

Let's a 4th Age Handbook or a Race Specific Handbook is released and I have a question about information that is in one of those books. Are we "allowed" to post the question here? Or will there be another board supported by SP that we will have to visit?

I know this is down the road, but I was curious.
#2

Dragonhelm

Jul 12, 2003 8:42:14
Originally posted by Maladaar
After the DLCS hits the market and eventually other products are released from SP, will we still be able to post questions here that are related to material not published by WotC?

Let's a 4th Age Handbook or a Race Specific Handbook is released and I have a question about information that is in one of those books. Are we "allowed" to post the question here? Or will there be another board supported by SP that we will have to visit?

I know this is down the road, but I was curious.

Good question.

Basically, WotC's policy is that they don't mind some talk of other companies' products on their boards, but they don't want other companies conducting their business on them.

Now, DL is sort of a grey area in that it is licensed. It is a WotC intellectual property, but it is being produced by Sov. Press.

Matt (aka Paladin) is working on setting up message boards on Dragonlance.com. This will become the primary sounding board for Sovereign Press.

So, for now, ask away your questions here. We'll get the DL.com boards set up soon as well.

Keep watching!
#3

maladaar

Jul 12, 2003 9:02:58
Thanks Dragonhelm.

It didn't seem like "good" business sense to let another company have their users utilize their website, but just as you stated since DL is a grey area (similar to OA), I figured that I would ask. Since I never spend anytime on the OA boards I wasn't sure what the policy was going to be.
#4

Dragonhelm

Jul 12, 2003 9:30:02
Originally posted by Maladaar
Thanks Dragonhelm.

It didn't seem like "good" business sense to let another company have their users utilize their website, but just as you stated since DL is a grey area (similar to OA), I figured that I would ask. Since I never spend anytime on the OA boards I wasn't sure what the policy was going to be.

I spend some time on the OA boards. A lot of the discussion there is not based on AEG's products, although I've seen some questions about them.

To my knowledge, AEG doesn't have a good forum for L5R discussions either. I guess they have one mailing list, and that's it.

Thanks for thinking of proper protocol. I appreciate it.
#5

ranger_reg

Jul 13, 2003 3:48:49
So, who's the Answer Man for the new DLCS? I mean JD handles Star Wars questions, Charles Ryan handles d20 Modern questions, but who will answer DLCS rules questions?
#6

Dragonhelm

Jul 13, 2003 21:16:26
Originally posted by Ranger REG
So, who's the Answer Man for the new DLCS? I mean JD handles Star Wars questions, Charles Ryan handles d20 Modern questions, but who will answer DLCS rules questions?

Answer Men, in this case, and that would be Jamie Chambers and Chris Coyle. Plus, some of us contributors will be around to answer questions as well.
#7

ranger_reg

Jul 13, 2003 21:34:14
And will either one provide a bi-weekly Q&A web column similar to Star Wars' Jedi Counseling and d20 Modern's Bullet Points?
#8

zombiegleemax

Jul 14, 2003 8:58:34
And all of that chopped off material as weekly web enhancements?

:D

-Robert
#9

Dragonhelm

Jul 14, 2003 9:32:38
Originally posted by Ranger REG
And will either one provide a bi-weekly Q&A web column similar to Star Wars' Jedi Counseling and d20 Modern's Bullet Points?

I'm not sure at this point. We'll be doing some talking at GenCon, so I'll try to bring that up.

I'm not certain if we have the resources to compete with WotC in regards to a bi-weekly web enhancement. Perhaps we can do something on a monthly basis, ala Mind's Eye for psionics.

Let me talk to Jamie and Chris on this.
#10

brimstone

Jul 14, 2003 13:57:41
Originally posted by Dragonhelm
Matt (aka Paladin) is working on setting up message boards on Dragonlance.com. This will become the primary sounding board for Sovereign Press.

Great...another board. That's just what we need.

:P
#11

ferratus

Jul 14, 2003 14:02:40
*grins* It isn't like the newsgroup or the mailing list sees much action.

Pity, given that they are much more convenient to check. The sad fact is though that the webboard is the format favoured by younger people, and they are the ones more excited about dragonlance and dragonlance gaming. Usenet is for people in their late 20's-30's (or older) and many have that inane "bitter dino" syndrome.

Newbies are the lifeblood of geeky pursuits. It will be interesting to see where and how traffic increases with the launch of DLCS and Age of Mortals.
#12

zombiegleemax

Jul 14, 2003 14:11:26
Not to mention that shite universities (*cough*JSU*cough*) don't give us access to newsgroups, real email, or even the internet.

After all, we don't pay them... nor do they pay the state for it, but let's not mention that...

Anywho, on this side of the HTTP proxy, I can't do crap. Hell, according to staff, there are already several thousand webpages they've blocked (and no you can't have a copy of the list).

-Robert
#13

brimstone

Jul 14, 2003 14:11:34
Originally posted by ferratus
Usenet is for people in their late 20's-30's (or older) and many have that inane "bitter dino" syndrome.

Newbies are the lifeblood of geeky pursuits. It will be interesting to see where and how traffic increases with the launch of DLCS and Age of Mortals.

I might have to leave the Boards for a while so that I don't become one of those "bitter dinos". LOL!

It's so sad...I used to look forward to the day when the new interns showed up at work once every six months (yes for the reason y'all are s****ing about). But one day...it just happened...suddenly, they weren't the cute new co-workers...they were the bratty new little know-it-alls who thought their shite don't stink. That was a sad day...that was the day I could no longer hang out with the college crowd without being the "creepy older guy." heh heh

Ah well...I guess we all hit that point sooner or later.
#14

Dragonhelm

Jul 14, 2003 14:14:03
Originally posted by Brimstone
I might have to leave the Boards for a while so that I don't become one of those "bitter dinos". LOL!

It's so sad...I used to look forward to the day when the new interns showed up at work once every six months (yes for the reason y'all are s****ing about). But one day...it just happened...suddenly, they weren't the cute new co-workers...they were the bratty new little know-it-alls who thought their shite don't stink. That was a sad day...that was the day I could no longer hang out with the college crowd without being the "creepy older guy." heh heh

Ah well...I guess we all hit that point sooner or later.

Wait until you start watching HGTV and listen to talk radio. lol
#15

ferratus

Jul 14, 2003 14:15:15
I haven't hit that point yet. I'm still just young enough to chase after 18 year olds. I'm going to enjoy it while I can.
#16

zombiegleemax

Jul 14, 2003 14:17:30
Originally posted by Dragonhelm
Wait until you start watching HGTV and listen to talk radio. lol

HEY! What's wrong with HGTV?

-Gilles
#17

Dragonhelm

Jul 14, 2003 14:21:15
Originally posted by Gilles Prefontaine
HEY! What's wrong with HGTV?

-Gilles

Lol!

I think my point is that I'm doing these things now... :embarrass ;)
#18

zombiegleemax

Jul 14, 2003 14:40:19
Dude, that makes you like as old as my parents. At least by your tv watching paterns. Sad. How many years do I have left before Im reduced to the same state? For the love of all that is geeky, Im only 21!!! *breaks down in tears*

*stops and looks around* eherm, nothing to see here, move along.
#19

Dragonhelm

Jul 14, 2003 14:47:09
Originally posted by Halabis
Dude, that makes you like as old as my parents. At least by your tv watching paterns. Sad. How many years do I have left before Im reduced to the same state? For the love of all that is geeky, Im only 21!!! *breaks down in tears*

*stops and looks around* eherm, nothing to see here, move along.

A lot of things change when you have kids. Also, when you turn 30.

BTW, if I'm "as old as your parents", then there's something truly wrong. I just turned 31! lol ;)

Anyway, back to your regularly scheduled Dragonlance program.
#20

brimstone

Jul 14, 2003 16:05:21
Originally posted by Halabis
Dude, that makes you like as old as my parents. At least by your tv watching paterns. Sad. How many years do I have left before Im reduced to the same state? For the love of all that is geeky, Im only 21!!! *breaks down in tears*

Well...It must happen in the 27th year.

Last year...very excited about the new interns (who by the way..aren't 18 year olds...but they are college aged). I hung out with them, took 'em out, showed 'em around.

This year...they bug the crap out of me. Now...there could be more playing into this than just age...but apparently, once you turn 26...it's all down hill from there.

LOL!
#21

cam_banks

Jul 14, 2003 16:34:44
I turn 32 in a week. Fear the ancient.

Cheers,
Cam "Playing D&D Longer than Andre has Been Alive" Banks
#22

kipper_snifferdoo_02

Jul 14, 2003 16:45:37
Originally posted by Cam Banks
I turn 32 in a week. Fear the ancient.

Cheers,
Cam "Playing D&D Longer than Andre has Been Alive" Banks

Thank the gods. Then I won't be the oldest person on the message boards... at least for 5 months anyway.
#23

zombiegleemax

Jul 14, 2003 16:56:26
It happened around my 26th year... but then, I had always considered 26 to be the beginning of middle age ;.;

Now I know for sure that it is! ;.;

Christopher
#24

Dragonhelm

Jul 14, 2003 17:07:18
Back in my day....

1. We only had one edition, and we were glad to have it!
2. Tasha's Hideous Laughter was Uncontrollable!
3. We didn't have Monte Cook, we had Monty Hall.
4. There were two types of DL magic, not four.
5. Balance referred to good, neutrality, and evil - not the rules.
6. Dungeons and Dragons was Advanced.
7. We had Boots of the South if we were playing in DL.
8. There was only one cataclysm.
9. Spawn was a comic character by Todd McFarlane, not the creations of dragon overlords.
10. Star Wars changed the movie industry forever.

Just a few humorous "remember whens" for ya. ;)

What I find funny is that I have friends who were either in diapers or not even born yet when Star Wars came out.
#25

B-naa

Jul 14, 2003 17:08:27
Ok

Now I'm just going to wait til all you old timers sit around remember the Cataclysm, both of them :P

Edit Looks like Dragonhelm already started :D
#26

brimstone

Jul 14, 2003 17:19:56
Originally posted by Dragonhelm
Back in my day....

1. We only had one edition, and we were glad to have it!

6. Dungeons and Dragons was Advanced.

7. We had Boots of the South if we were playing in DL.

Let's see...how many editions have we had now of D&D?

Dungeons & Dragons
Advanced Dungeons & Dragons
Advanced Dungeons & Dragons 2nd Edition
Updated Advanced Dungeons & Dragons 2nd Edition (the 1st ones I bought)
Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition
Dungeons & Dragons 3.5

With that last name...even the books are sounding like computers programs now...

Oh...and what's "Boots of the South"?
#27

zombiegleemax

Jul 14, 2003 17:25:53
Originally posted by Brimstone
Oh...and what's "Boots of the South"?

Boots of the North, from the DMG, protected against cold/arctic conditions...

On Ansalon, the arctic is to the south ;)

Christopher
#28

Dragonhelm

Jul 14, 2003 17:31:42
Originally posted by Stormprince
Boots of the North, from the DMG, protected against cold/arctic conditions...

On Ansalon, the arctic is to the south ;)

Christopher

Now they're "Boots of the Winterlands", or something along those lines. That was a good name change, and one that I'm sure was inspired by Dragonlance.
#29

daedavias_dup

Jul 14, 2003 17:44:53
Is it sad that I remember all the things DH listed and I am less than two thirds his age?

BTW, since DLCS is now unofficially out, when is the Age of Mortals book coming out. I am going to college soon and I wanna start a DL campaign set just after the WoS.
#30

zombiegleemax

Jul 14, 2003 18:44:30
Originally posted by Daedavias
Is it sad that I remember all the things DH listed and I am less than two thirds his age?

BTW, since DLCS is now unofficially out, when is the Age of Mortals book coming out. I am going to college soon and I wanna start a DL campaign set just after the WoS.

Well, we should have copies of it for sale at GenCon, but it'll hit the shelves pretty much simultaneously with the planned released date for the DLCS (which we planned pretty much from the beginning) in August :D

Christopher
#31

zombiegleemax

Jul 14, 2003 19:05:39
Originally posted by Brimstone
With that last name...even the books are sounding like computers programs now...

At least we aren't seeing any Dungeons & Dragons 2003... yet.
#32

brimstone

Jul 15, 2003 8:52:51
Originally posted by Richard Connery
At least we aren't seeing any Dungeons & Dragons 2003... yet.

LOL! Good point!

What about Dungeons and Dragons: XP?

heh heh...that might get confusing, I guess.
#33

zombiegleemax

Jul 15, 2003 14:00:33
Originally posted by Brimstone
LOL! Good point!

What about Dungeons and Dragons: XP?

heh heh...that might get confusing, I guess.

SHHHHHH! That's the "kill-one-goblin-go-up-20-levels" special edition they're planning for late this year!

#34

Granakrs

Jul 15, 2003 15:18:15
oh i can see it now. D&D: XP Home edition, and D&D: XP Professional edition.
#35

zombiegleemax

Jul 15, 2003 23:24:17
Originally posted by Stormprince
It happened around my 26th year... but then, I had always considered 26 to be the beginning of middle age ;.;

Now I know for sure that it is! ;.;

Christopher

Oh God... Please don't say that!

sigh

Only 7 months of fun left...


Dragonhelm: I remember fondly Monty Hall: the special place where us geeks could buy any role-playing material that ever existed for just 5 cents and a smile... Ah, those were the days...

(wasn't it actually monty haul ??)

#36

talinthas

Jul 15, 2003 23:55:27
hmm. i'm 22.
i started into Dragonlance and D&D when i was 11. wow. thats half my life.

=)
#37

zombiegleemax

Jul 16, 2003 1:17:59
. . . I remember when the infamous G.G. ran the show and ther was no Dragonlance . . . erk . . . where's my spectacles . . . and Dragon Magazine was called The Dragon . . . and Greyhawk was the only other campaign setting . . . and we had to walk to the hobby shop . . uphill . . . both ways. . . in the snow . . . and ther was no such thing as a character class . . . and . . . and . . . I forget the rest . . . bring my walker over here sonny, that's a good lad. Here's a shiney new nickle for ya, doesn't that make ya happy . . .
#38

archmage

Jul 17, 2003 11:29:38
How odd. Before Cam and Dragonhelm said how old they are, I had this absurd notion that everyone on the boards was close to or around my age (I'm 22, FYI). Funny how not being able to see who you're interacting with will impact the mental image you have of them.
I suppose I'll have to start calling Cam & Dragonhelm, "sir" now. ;) :D
#39

archmage

Jul 17, 2003 11:34:24
Originally posted by Stormprince
but then, I had always considered 26 to be the beginning of middle age ;.;

*lol* Talk about opposite views! I've always considered 26 to be the beginning of adulthood!
Take heart, all ye merry "old fogeys" of the boards! You're only as old as you feel, you're young at heart, you--zzzzzzz....zzzzzzz.
*Wakes up* Oh, what was I saying?
#40

brimstone

Jul 17, 2003 12:40:34
Well...I know about that old saying "You're only as old as you feel"...but in my limited experience (having only been 26 for a year) I found that that is not quite accurate. The corrected saying should be, "You're only as old as your friends feel."

LOL!

All my friends...settling down...getting married, etc., it puts a damper on the social life when everyone starts pairing off...then cutting themselves off from the outside world and never leaving their homes but to go to work. heh heh

;)
#41

Dragonhelm

Jul 17, 2003 12:41:02
Originally posted by Bredangar
Dragonhelm: I remember fondly Monty Hall: the special place where us geeks could buy any role-playing material that ever existed for just 5 cents and a smile... Ah, those were the days...

(wasn't it actually monty haul ??)


Yeah, my mistake. You get forgetful in your old age. ;)

I was thinking of Monty Hall, the person, rather than monty haul gaming.


Originally posted by Archmage
How odd. Before Cam and Dragonhelm said how old they are, I had this absurd notion that everyone on the boards was close to or around my age (I'm 22, FYI). Funny how not being able to see who you're interacting with will impact the mental image you have of them.
I suppose I'll have to start calling Cam & Dragonhelm, "sir" now. ;) :D

Sir Dragonhelm. I like that. ;)

I know what you mean, though. I'm guessing the average ages of board members are around 15-25, although this is by no means a definite.

I see questions on the various boards once in a while on something, and it makes me realize just how many people on the boards have never played anything prior to 3e. Perhaps some of the rules could have been done better in 1e and 2e, but those days hold special memories for me as well.
#42

brimstone

Jul 17, 2003 12:47:12
Originally posted by Dragonhelm
I see questions on the various boards once in a while on something, and it makes me realize just how many people on the boards have never played anything prior to 3e. Perhaps some of the rules could have been done better in 1e and 2e, but those days hold special memories for me as well.

That's a good sign though. Something I was worried about was how well a new Dungeons & Dragons game was going to fly with the younger kids. Or if most of the sales would go to the people who previously played (1e, 2e, SAGA). I really had no idea it would do as well as it has. So...apparently D&D very much has a lasting appeal for people. (what has it been around for 28 years or so?)

I think it's really cool when something can bridge the generation gap...it seems that very few things actually can.
#43

talinthas

Jul 17, 2003 13:24:50
heh. this happens in my game too. one of the best players i've seen, and a total rules lawyer, has never seen or played an edition of D&D before 3e. so all the time i hear him complain about certain rules or whatever, and he wonders why the design is so retarded, and i have to remind him that someone set that down 30 years ago, and they never bothered to fix it =)
#44

zombiegleemax

Jul 18, 2003 1:49:15
Heh, the talk about apparent age got me thinking about my perception on most people. It always seems that there are a few individuals who are in 'lead' positions on each of the individual boards. Dragonhelm, Cam, Stormprince, etc. These individuals I always picture as being older than myself. Newer people to a certain board always appear younger to me and those that have been around in the thread for the same amount of time as I have always seem like my peer group. Posting age instead of actual age. Hmmm . . . to think, some of the newer people may be of my parent's ages and some of the long timer's may still be in elementary school. Just goes to illustrate the illusion of anonymity.
#45

brimstone

Jul 18, 2003 16:47:02
Originally posted by Mach2.5
Just goes to illustrate the illusion of anonymity.

LOL! You know...that's my least favorite part about the internet...the anonymity of it all. That's why on mailing lists and such I always sign with my real name (although I think it was missing for a while on this site). I try to act on here as I would in real life too (which sometimes gets me into trouble) heh heh

The anonymity also is the main culprit for most of the lack of common decency seen occasionally on line. Of course...it could be argued too that that is the true face of some people. It kind of answers the question of "what would you do if there were no consequences to your actions", ya know?
#46

zombiegleemax

Jul 19, 2003 2:32:48
Just goes to show, you never really know anyone by their words on a page ;)
#47

zombiegleemax

Jul 19, 2003 23:36:49
I'm probably the youngest guy here. I'm only 15. But, I have a guy in his late 30s that's played D&D from almost the beginning that bows to my mad DMing skillz, so don't any of you guys think that because I'm young, I'm not as good as you. Not trying to sound mean here, but that happends alot. People on other message boards don't like me because I'm young, and a fairly new gamer(only two years), and they've been playing for decades. It happened on the D&D boards(why I don't go there anymore), on the Gaming World boards, and at Pojo's messageboards, and it's starting to happen at the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles/After the Bomb RPG boards.
#48

zombiegleemax

Jul 20, 2003 0:23:01
Originally posted by Jacen Solo 5007
I'm probably the youngest guy here. I'm only 15. But, I have a guy in his late 30s that's played D&D from almost the beginning that bows to my mad DMing skillz, so don't any of you guys think that because I'm young, I'm not as good as you. Not trying to sound mean here, but that happends alot. People on other message boards don't like me because I'm young, and a fairly new gamer(only two years), and they've been playing for decades. It happened on the D&D boards(why I don't go there anymore), on the Gaming World boards, and at Pojo's messageboards, and it's starting to happen at the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles/After the Bomb RPG boards.

Youthness and fresh minds can often provide better solutions than settled and too-confortable minds. Sometimes I wish I didn't know so much about the setting so that I could be surprised sometimes.

So, as far as I'm concerned, don't worry about that. As long as you're having fun don't be afraid to make your home game like your instincts tell you and not what some crotchety, grumpy and old fashioned bitter dino tells you to do.