Yes it looks a little empty at the moment, but moogle001 and I will be working up some more content for you while I convert the older ps3e stuff, and work with the other webbie person on that issue. It will all be falling into place - you'll just have to give us a touch of time to do it in.
I have been looking for The Factol's Manifesto recently, will this book or a future addition include information on the various levels within each faction?
Glad to see the page is getting back to normal.
Questions first:
- What's all this about the Lich-Queen being dead?
- Why delete the mention of Eilistraee in the discussion of planar drow? I would understand if it was an issue of OGC, but you still refer to Lolth and Vhaerun.
Now for the typos:
- Under Bariaur racial traits, "their carefree nature often make them poor leaders" should read "...often makes them poor leaders."
- Under Khaasta racial traits, "All khaasta have bite attack" should read "All khaasta have a bite attack..."
- In the physical description of githyanki, it looks like you forgot a carriage return between two paragraphs.
- In the discussion of fey on the planes, "the Unseelie Court reins in its own portion of Pandemonium" should be "the Unseelie Court reigns..." (unless Pandemonium is a horse).
- In the next sentence, "neither courts are static" should be "neither court is static..."
- Further down, the sentence reading "They come to explore these new worlds (at least new to them, even if it did exist ages before their world)," should change to read "...even if they did exist..."
- Not a typo per se, but I noticed that you were careful to excise uses of planar cant, yet you still use "berk" in a number of places.
- Last but not least, I think you ought to insert some blank lines to separate the sections describing the five categories of planar denizens.
Wyvern
The githyanki lich-queen was killed in a adventure released in Dungeon 100. While we do not consider all material released by Dragon and Dungeon to be canon, this seemed fitting and works well for allowing PC githyanki.
I removed the mention of the drow goddess specifically because as far as I am aware, Planescape never made the drow realm in Ysgard *her* realm...they merely suggested it, and I do not wish to make that assumption definite.
And yes, we've determined that Pandemonium is indeed a horse.
Originally posted by moogle001
And yes, we've determined that Pandemonium is indeed a horse.
*glare* A horse? You've determined that Pandemonium is a horse? Whose idea was that?! I specifically said that I wanted a pony. A pony! Not a horse. Heads will roll for this I tell you!
*raving public fit*
I have a suggestion for modifying the Authority feat.
Faction: Harmonium (no changes)
Prerequisite: Cha 13+ (After reading the Player's Handbook, several feats required a stat of 13+. I would also drop the Base Will Save of 1+. Paladins do not have a Base Will of 1+ until 3rd level and I have always imagined Harmonium Paladins having this ability regardless of level.)
Benefit: Command X/day where X equals your Charisma modifier. Since Charisma encompasses strength of character, ability to lead, etc. I think this would make a good counterbalance to the change in prerequisite.
One minor note: "as a cleric of your character level" should probably read "as a cleric of your effective character level (ECL)".
Pandemonium a horse.......your joking right?
No, get your hands off me! *Is dragged away kicking and screaming...*
Have you any plans to release the fnalized finished material as a pdf? Just wondering.
Originally posted by Wyvern76
Questions first:
- What's all this about the Lich-Queen being dead?
- Why delete the mention of Eilistraee in the discussion of planar drow? I would understand if it was an issue of OGC, but you still refer to Lolth and Vhaerun.
I think the Lich Queen was killed in some adventure or other. Just can't for the life of me remember which one, where, how or even why.
As for Eilistraee I suspect that its an issue of OGC as well a the fact that she is an FR only god (only place ever mentioned AFAIK), and since FR officially has a different, radically different at that, cosmology they just left her out. Or it was just a massive oversight on the authors part.
Also, with the killing of the Gith Lich Queen, you now open up the posibility of PC githyanki that doen't have to fear being drained of life by the undead Queen at mid levels. Now you'll have the posibility of some seriously potent githyanki walking around causing all sorts of gith-like havoc.
(edit) BTW, the site is back up ;)
Originally posted by Beleriphon
I think the Lich Queen was killed in some adventure or other. Just can't for the life of me remember which one, where, how or even why.
As for Eilistraee I suspect that its an issue of OGC as well a the fact that she is an FR only god (only place ever mentioned AFAIK), and since FR officially has a different, radically different at that, cosmology they just left her out. Or it was just a massive oversight on the authors part.
Um. moogle already answered both of those questions a week ago - in the post immediately after mine, in fact.
And if Eilistraee's exclusion were a matter of OGC, then they wouldn't be able to mention Lolth or Vhaerun either (which they do). But as I understand it, planewalker.com has a special exemption from the OGL in matters pertaining to Planescape, being that it's the "official" PS site.
Originally posted by Mach2.5
The original Githyanki Queen Gith was killed a long time ago. The current one dies if you play out the Githyanki Incursion campaign from Dragon Mag 310 (and possibly the Dungeon mag for August as well, but I haven't gotten that one yet). Surprisingly, the Incursion was rather well put together and covers a huge section of the magazine. Even if you don't normally buy Dragon, this is definately a must have.
Seeing as I don't have that issue and am not likely to get it in the future, someone spoil me: who kills her and how?
Wyvern
- Why was the bit about some githyanki becoming Sensates deleted?
- Ditto for the bit about Githyanki not having family or clan names. Even without a queen, they're still described as being pretty unified, and naming traditions don't change overnight.
- Under githyanki beliefs, "Most githyanki do not join factions or sects, disdaining organizations lead by mortals," should read "...led by mortals."
Wyvern
The 2E level cap for "demi-human" races was dropped entirely when 3E came out, without any in-game justifications ("see, the adventurers killed Corellon Larethian and Moradin and Gruumsh...")
I'm just concerned about altering the gith society too much... that bottled-up creativity of yours and all ;). I liked them as they were, repressed and militant and sticking to the Astral. Hope you don't change that into some plane-spanning 'zerai-reconciliating illithicide thingy.
Hope you don't change that into some plane-spanning 'zerai-reconciliating illithicide thingy
I agree. The truimvirate that the gith and illithids represent is an awesome plot builder. Even though both gith races hate the illithids, I can't possibly picture them joining up against the mind flayers. Too many thousands of years of hatred between the two for that to come about.
Seeing as I don't have that issue and am not likely to get it in the future, someone spoil me: who kills her and how?
The PCs do, of course ;). Its covered in the Dungeon 100, but I still don't have that one.
As for the Promiment Members, some of them were people simply thought up by the writers.
I don't think that most of these should be penalised this way - and it makes playing a sorcerer or bard pretty hard (even a paladin).
anyone else think so?
1. I tried to downloand the rtf's for Chapters 2 and 4. While I could open them, I can't find a means to save them to my hard drive . . . other than copying and pasting the whole bit. Suggestions?
2. I recently scoped out City of Doors Iniative. We talked earlier about artwork for the book. Considering that the City of Doors Initiative is "free," I was wondering whether any of the artists over there might be sought out to contribute to this book. The person who drew the most recent additions of illithids was particularly impressive.
Try clicking with the right mouse button (presuming yer a PC user) and use "Save target as".
Originally posted by Saurstalk
Two things:
1. I tried to downloand the rtf's for Chapters 2 and 4. While I could open them, I can't find a means to save them to my hard drive . . . other than copying and pasting the whole bit. Suggestions?
2. I recently scoped out City of Doors Iniative. We talked earlier about artwork for the book. Considering that the City of Doors Initiative is "free," I was wondering whether any of the artists over there might be sought out to contribute to this book. The person who drew the most recent additions of illithids was particularly impressive.
Either right-click on the link and click "Save as..." or open the link, then click "File->Save As..."
Our friends at CODI have offered to suppose us with artwork, but only once they've finished their own load, which will be some time from now unfortunately.
There are no game mechanic benefits for being a faction member, no.
Why not institute some then? This could be handled pretty well with a mandatory bonus feat, which would contain a small faction ability, as well as a faction-specific detriment. That's pretty much how it was handled originally anyway. The downside to the faction feat ought to balance out the upside, leaving it with no net value, mechanics wise.
You'll find the conversions of powers in chapter 4 (already released) - and they are feat based, without as much of an eye towards disadvantages. I think you'll see what I mean... Prestige Classes will be out a bit later.
They certainly weren't balanced, but at least in my game, they didn't have to be. Planescape's good at making sure there's always bigger fish in the pond, fish you don't want to mess with. Unbalancing mechanics never seem to cause problems for my group.
I always figured that among most of the more demanding factions, most namers would have some minor ability/disability. I'll implement it for my own games then.
Originally posted by CATLAND93
We can do a low cost template with the namers abilities and the xp cost changes for every faction(and the equilibrium problems are solved!).
If you do it, I'd like to see it.
Wyvern
Originally posted by Saurstalk
She's not dead. She's undead, unless you are reading this from the potential outcome in Dungeon 100.
As discussed in several posts on the previous page of this thread, the PS3e team is treating that outcome as canon.
Anyway, here are a few more typos I've found in the latest revisions of chapters 2 and 4:
- A couple of new errors crept in when all occurences of "berk" were edited out. In the section on Powers, in the middle of the first paragraph, there's a sentence ending "...such a encounter can be enough to kill a." In the section on bariaur beliefs, "...do not approve of the berks that try to restrict others with laws and tyranny," has become "...do not approve of the those that try to restrict others with laws and tyranny."
- If you're removing all traces of cant, you might want to do something about the last sentence of the first paragraph on proxies, which reads, "Such proxies likely serve their powers only until they can manage to turn stag and come out on top."
- The Ascetic feat refers to "estimated character level (ECL)". In case you didn't know, ECL stands for effective character level.
- The Structured Mind feat says that "...you’ve learned how keep your thoughts and secrets to yourself."
- I happened to notice that the prerequisites of the Improved Cipher Trance feat are missing a comma; they read "...Improved Initiative base Fort save +4..."
That's all for now. I'll continue posting any other errata if I find any.
Wyvern
Originally posted by CATLAND93
For my modest opinion, the Khaasta race is too strong! Unplayable!
How so? Seems in line with other monster races.
I don't have Savage Species, sorry, but in Races of Faerun, a centaur has an ECL of 7, one level higher than the khaasta. Their stats are comparable: Centaur +8 STR, +4 DEX, +4 CON, -2 INT, +2 WIS. Centaurs are faster (Move 50) and do more damage with their natural weapon (1d6) which they get two attacks with, in addition to their weapon attack. They have 4 HD, rather than 3. They have only +2 natural armor. They have more weapon proficiencies.
The wemic has an ECL of 8, but has 5 HD. +8 Str, +2 Dex, +2 Con, -2 Cha. They move 40, have +4 natural armor, get a +8 to jump checks, and 2 claws at 1d6 along with a weapon.
Is it because of their natural armor? Yeah, it's good, but a svirfneblin gets a +4 dodge bonus, which with their small size and Dex bonus means the average unarmored deep gnome has an AC of 15-16, while having an ECL of +3. The khaasta has an unarmored AC of 16-17. I'll take a dodge bonus over a natural armor bonus, though.
Seems okay to me at first glance. Someone with Savage Species might have further insight.
The centaur of savage species has no strenght bonus and the centaur of races of faerun is the double powerful of a minotaur!
Originally posted by CATLAND93
It's true but i think that races of faerun is a unbalanced rules manual. The centaur and the wemic are very powerful!!!!!!!!(ecl +5 for me). Instead savage species is a balanced guide!
The centaur of savage species has no strenght bonus and the centaur of races of faerun is the double powerful of a minotaur!
Read more carefully. The centaur in Savage species ends up with a +8 strength over a human after the full run of the 'centaur levels'. So unless you're going with a one hit die whispy bachelor centaur just starting out and not yet at the standard stats for his species, yes they're going to have that high of a strength.
Just to start I houseruled that there are 2 types of Tieflings, the one with +2 Dex, +2 Int, -2 Cha and one other with +2 Dex, -2 Int, +2 Cha
Originally posted by CATLAND93
It's true but i think that races of faerun is a unbalanced rules manual. The centaur and the wemic are very powerful!!!!!!!!(ecl +5 for me). Instead savage species is a balanced guide!
The centaur of savage species has no strenght bonus and the centaur of races of faerun is the double powerful of a minotaur!
Races of Faerun uses the same thinking that went into Savage Species. The Races of Faerun powerful races don't use the optional "monster class" rules, where you can have a 1st-level centaur or what have you, with 1st-level elves, dwarves, and humans. You have to start as an 8th-level character with the Races centaur as written.
Originally posted by moogle001
You've got a sharp eye on you. My thanks.
No problem. Proofreading is something I'm very good at; I'm just glad it's appreciated.
Originally posted by Nelthas
Just to start I houseruled that there are 2 types of Tieflings, the one with +2 Dex, +2 Int, -2 Cha and one other with +2 Dex, -2 Int, +2 Cha
Had you considered making them +2 Dex, -2 Wis, +2 Cha instead? That would place them more in line with the 2e tiefling from the Planewalker's Handbook.
Wyvern
1- Why is there a 2nd spell level table in the "powers of imagination" feat but the decripion benefit is "Choose any 0th - or 1st-level spell from the Powers of Imagination Sidebar"?
2- How can i use "factional financies" with all the powerful races?
3- Can i add (of +5) my divine resistence with the "faithless miracle" feat at my racial magic resistence?
Originally posted by CATLAND93
I have three questions about the feats.
1- Why is there a 2nd spell level table in the "powers of imagination" feat but the decripion benefit is "Choose any 0th - or 1st-level spell from the Powers of Imagination Sidebar"?
2- How can i use "factional financies" with all the powerful races?
3- Can i add (of +5) my divine resistence with the "faithless miracle" feat at my racial magic resistence?
1) There is a PrC that will use the expanded table.
2) Yes, you may, it still has your first feat, and only applies to the money you have as a first level character.
3) No, spell resistance does not stack unless specifically noted.
Originally posted by Nelthas
I agree with Droo when he says Paladins and Sorcerers are poor choices with almost all the races with a poor Cha.
Just to start I houseruled that there are 2 types of Tieflings, the one with +2 Dex, +2 Int, -2 Cha and one other with +2 Dex, -2 Int, +2 Cha
Perhaps is too radical, but why not say "any two abilities at +2 and one at -2"? I know it can help min/maxing, but since the type of creature the tiefling descends from isn't fixed, it should be better this way (sorry for my english, I can't explain better... T_T )
Still, though, races with +2 charisma = good/lacking.
Originally posted by Furious George
What classes are the new skills class skills for?
Great question Furious. Although I suspect that we will find out in a Classes chapter that will detail how the classes react (in general) to each other, as well as where they are most common. I'd also expect some prestige classes to sneak into this type of chapter.
Originally posted by Furious George
What classes are the new skills class skills for?
There is a chart at the beginning of the Skill section detailing this.
Are you going to make PrC with them?