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#1
zombiegleemax
Jul 30, 2003 2:03:15 Im kinda new to Greyhawk (used to play hombrew world)

- So what are the Valley elves ?
- Why do other elves hate them ?
- If Iuz is a Demigod , what are his domains ?

It's my first time Dm , in a long long time.

Help me out please
#2
zombiegleemax
Jul 30, 2003 7:59:35 IIRC the valley elves live in the vale of the mage which is bounded by the barrier peaks just north of Geoff see module WG12.

The valley elves are totally loyal to 'the exalted one' Jason Krimeah also known as 'the black one' who is an uber-powerful wizard who lives in and rules the vale of the mage. This loyalty may be why other elves don't like them, not sure.

Iuz is the Demigod of deceipt, pain, oppresion and evil with the domains chaos, evil & trickery. His prestige domains are dominion, madness, mysticism, pestilence and summoning.

Hope that helps.
#3
zombiegleemax
Jul 30, 2003 10:18:53 Thanks for the clarification
#4
Halberkill
Jul 30, 2003 12:06:45 Valley elves are also very tall, taller than humans, whereas most other Greyhawk elves are 4 1/2' to 5' tall.

I think other elves hate them because they helped the drow at some time in their past...or was that the snow elves.

Yes it was the snow elves, here is a link to an article on them.

http://members.aol.com/cathbhadhx/snowelf.zip

And in it it says that Valley Elves are their only allies, and it probably stems from the fact that other elves don't consider either of them "true elves", whatever that means.

Halber
#5
zombiegleemax
Jul 30, 2003 13:03:15
Originally posted by Halberkill
I think other elves hate them because they helped the drow at some time in their past...or was that the snow elves.

Yes it was the snow elves, here is a link to an article on them.

http://members.aol.com/cathbhadhx/snowelf.zip

And in it it says that Valley Elves are their only allies, and it probably stems from the fact that other elves don't consider either of them "true elves", whatever that means.Halber [/b]

Wow! Didn't know that about Snow Olves, so I guess if Valley Olves helped them out its understandable.

Have you got some kind of official published referance for this? ie published sourcebook or module I could read.

WG12 says that Valley Olves believe that they are an off-shoot of High Olves but in reality they are a seperate race of Olvenkind tracing their time in the vale back around 15,000 years (P11)
#6
Halberkill
Jul 30, 2003 15:54:39
Originally posted by StevieS
Have you got some kind of official published referance for this? ie published sourcebook or module I could read.

Well, if you download and unzip the article, which is from Dragon Magazine, you can find all this info out. I think this was the only mention of snow elves, except maybe a character on one of the 1993 AD&D collector's cards.

Halber
#7
zombiegleemax
Jul 30, 2003 17:08:40 'The rift between the snow elves and their cousins stems from the same wars that drove the drow underground. The snow elves were deceived into allowing passage (for a large profit) of the drow through a mountain pass they controlled, not knowing—so they claimed—that the drow were serving Lolth and had recently declared war on their cousin elves. While never formally condemned by their relatives, the snow elves have been universally shunned by them ever since. Valley elves, themselves largely disliked by others, tolerate snow elves perhaps because each views the other as sharing a similar plight—neither race is considered “true elves” by their cousins.'

This doesn't explain why the Valley Olve are disliked but an interesting article by Dragon magazine though.

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#1 zombiegleemax Jul 30, 2003 2:03:15	Im kinda new to Greyhawk (used to play hombrew world) - So what are the Valley elves ? - Why do other elves hate them ? - If Iuz is a Demigod , what are his domains ? It's my first time Dm , in a long long time. Help me out please
#2 zombiegleemax Jul 30, 2003 7:59:35	IIRC the valley elves live in the vale of the mage which is bounded by the barrier peaks just north of Geoff see module WG12. The valley elves are totally loyal to 'the exalted one' Jason Krimeah also known as 'the black one' who is an uber-powerful wizard who lives in and rules the vale of the mage. This loyalty may be why other elves don't like them, not sure. Iuz is the Demigod of deceipt, pain, oppresion and evil with the domains chaos, evil & trickery. His prestige domains are dominion, madness, mysticism, pestilence and summoning. Hope that helps.
#3 zombiegleemax Jul 30, 2003 10:18:53	Thanks for the clarification
#4 Halberkill Jul 30, 2003 12:06:45	Valley elves are also very tall, taller than humans, whereas most other Greyhawk elves are 4 1/2' to 5' tall. I think other elves hate them because they helped the drow at some time in their past...or was that the snow elves. Yes it was the snow elves, here is a link to an article on them. http://members.aol.com/cathbhadhx/snowelf.zip And in it it says that Valley Elves are their only allies, and it probably stems from the fact that other elves don't consider either of them "true elves", whatever that means. Halber
#5 zombiegleemax Jul 30, 2003 13:03:15	Originally posted by Halberkill I think other elves hate them because they helped the drow at some time in their past...or was that the snow elves. Yes it was the snow elves, here is a link to an article on them. http://members.aol.com/cathbhadhx/snowelf.zip And in it it says that Valley Elves are their only allies, and it probably stems from the fact that other elves don't consider either of them "true elves", whatever that means.Halber [/b] Wow! Didn't know that about Snow Olves, so I guess if Valley Olves helped them out its understandable. Have you got some kind of official published referance for this? ie published sourcebook or module I could read. WG12 says that Valley Olves believe that they are an off-shoot of High Olves but in reality they are a seperate race of Olvenkind tracing their time in the vale back around 15,000 years (P11)
#6 Halberkill Jul 30, 2003 15:54:39	Originally posted by StevieS Have you got some kind of official published referance for this? ie published sourcebook or module I could read. Well, if you download and unzip the article, which is from Dragon Magazine, you can find all this info out. I think this was the only mention of snow elves, except maybe a character on one of the 1993 AD&D collector's cards. Halber
#7 zombiegleemax Jul 30, 2003 17:08:40	'The rift between the snow elves and their cousins stems from the same wars that drove the drow underground. The snow elves were deceived into allowing passage (for a large profit) of the drow through a mountain pass they controlled, not knowing—so they claimed—that the drow were serving Lolth and had recently declared war on their cousin elves. While never formally condemned by their relatives, the snow elves have been universally shunned by them ever since. Valley elves, themselves largely disliked by others, tolerate snow elves perhaps because each views the other as sharing a similar plight—neither race is considered “true elves” by their cousins.' This doesn't explain why the Valley Olve are disliked but an interesting article by Dragon magazine though.