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Mina's Class Levels

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#1
zombiegleemax
Jul 31, 2003 10:56:06 Would somebody with the Ageof Mortals book mind posting her class levels? I'm curious, but my guess is Cleric. I don't really know what level to give her, but based on the magic she was using, she must be fairly high.
#2
brimstone
Jul 31, 2003 11:35:11 Well...I haven't received my Age of Mortals book yet...I'm willing to bet that her Wisdom is probably pretty high...and her Charisma has to be super high.

I think Cleric is the correct class for her...with maybe a few classes in some warrior class. Either way...we know that she isn't high enough level yet to cast Ressurrection (she refused to do it for her troops...and I think if she could've...she would have cast it on Takhisis).

These are just guesses, though.
#3
brimstone
Jul 31, 2003 11:42:14
Originally posted by Brimstone
Either way...we know that she isn't high enough level yet to cast Ressurrection (she refused to do it for her troops...and I think if she could've...she would have cast it on Takhisis).

Sorry...that's stupid...of course she couldn't cast it...she no longer had a god to pray too.

Man...I should get more sleep at night. LOL!
#4
jonesy
Jul 31, 2003 11:50:25
I'm willing to bet that her Wisdom is probably pretty high...and her Charisma has to be super high.

Based on what? Now don't get me wrong, I did like Mina, but I never saw her as particularly intelligent, wise or even charismatic. Avarage on all would be my call. All the knowledge of things to come came from Takhisis, she never used her own judgement and followed Takhisis blindly and her charisma came almost completely from the deeds she carried out, not her persona. Which is why I'm very interested to see how she develops in the future.
#5
brimstone
Jul 31, 2003 12:23:24
Originally posted by jonesy
Based on what? Now don't get me wrong, I did like Mina, but I never saw her as particularly intelligent, wise or even charismatic. Avarage on all would be my call. All the knowledge of things to come came from Takhisis, she never used her own judgement and followed Takhisis blindly and her charisma came almost completely from the deeds she carried out, not her persona. Which is why I'm very interested to see how she develops in the future.

I didn't say INT, I said WIS. I say that becasue she was obviously a powerful cleric (on the order of the Kingpriest...at least I'm seeing similarities between Mina and the way Pierson depicts Beldinas). And I say very high CHA because just her mere presense demands fanatic loyalty from her troops. I mean...look at what happened to the Knights of Nereka when she showed up. And even a good portion of the Elves. I'd say that has to mean a high Charisma (by the way...this is mirrored by Beldinas as well in the first book of Piersons latest trilogy)
#6
jonesy
Jul 31, 2003 12:43:49
Originally posted by Brimstone
I didn't say INT, I said WIS.

I said all three.

The reason I don't view her as a powerful cleric is that she was the only cleric of the only god at the time. The one goddess was able to channel as much power through Mina as was needed. I didn't see Mina doing all the fancy tricks all on her own. She had help on a grand scale.
#7
zombiegleemax
Jul 31, 2003 13:06:30 From the descriptions of the magic going on in the WoS trilogy I got the impression that Mina wasn't doing very much and that Taki was basically casting the "spells" for her. If that is true, then I guess that she wouldn't be that high of a level, but if she was the one responsible for those "miracles" then she'd be higher, maybe 10-13 range.
#8
dragontooth
Jul 31, 2003 14:39:08 She cast Regeneration on that minotaurs arm. 7th lvl spell so she had to be at least 13th lvl. with at least 17 Wis. So I can see her wisdom could easy be 18, or 19.

Any Cleric casting a spell is basicly channeling the spell from their god. The gods are the one granting them their spells. Mina was casting all those spells on her own, and Tak was granting those spells to work.
She had a very good Charisma as well. All the followers showed how she was charismatic.
#9
zombiegleemax
Aug 01, 2003 7:51:37 I would say she was a proxy of Tak. she was pretty much Tak incarnate in a mortal worshiper. She did way more than any mere cleric should have been able to. Of course now that Tak is dead, either A. Mina holds the last vestiges of her devine power, or B. She pretty much lost all her power.
#10
zombiegleemax
Aug 01, 2003 11:49:53 Mina, female human cleric 12/righteous Zealot 8

AL:LE
HD: 12d8+36 + 8d6+24 hp:142
str:10 dex:14 con:16 int:17 wis:20 cha:21

her most important magic item is of course, the medallion of the One God.

she also has a bunch of spell like abilies as the result of being a
8th level zealot. namely, oration, gather followers, resist enchantment, righteous indignation.
#11
brimstone
Aug 01, 2003 12:24:26
Originally posted by zefiris
AL:LE
HD: 12d8+36 + 8d6+24 hp:142
str:10 dex:14 con:16 int:17 wis:20 cha:21

See...I told ya they'd be high. :D

Although...I was way off on her level. Religious Zealot must be a new PrC?
#12
cam_banks
Aug 01, 2003 12:37:34
Originally posted by Brimstone

Although...I was way off on her level. Religious Zealot must be a new PrC?

Yep. Perfect for the Kingpriests, Theocrats and evil Joans of Arc of the world.

Cheers,
Cam
#13
jonesy
Aug 01, 2003 12:52:11
Originally posted by zefiris
Mina, female human cleric 12/righteous Zealot 8

AL:LE
HD: 12d8+36 + 8d6+24 hp:142
str:10 dex:14 con:16 int:17 wis:20 cha:21

her most important magic item is of course, the medallion of the One God.

she also has a bunch of spell like abilies as the result of being a
8th level zealot. namely, oration, gather followers, resist enchantment, righteous indignation.

She's going to lose a lot of her power after Taks death.

So she is highly intelligent and completely blind to how Tak treats her. Oh well, I guess it's hard to outwit a god. I'm still dissappointed.
#14
shugi
Aug 01, 2003 15:48:36
Originally posted by jonesy
She's going to lose a lot of her power after Taks death.

So she is highly intelligent and completely blind to how Tak treats her. Oh well, I guess it's hard to outwit a god. I'm still dissappointed.

You could reasonably put Tak's INT around 30, which would mean that she's as far above Mina as Mina is to the average gully dwarf.

Does that help the perspective? :D
#15
jonesy
Aug 01, 2003 15:58:55
Originally posted by Eidolon
You could reasonably put Tak's INT around 30, which would mean that she's as far above Mina as Mina is to the average gully dwarf.

Does that help the perspective? :D

I suppose it does.
I just I figured she had something like avarage intelligence (which in the normal human range would be 10-11).
#16
carteeg
Aug 01, 2003 18:06:26 Well, regardless of how much Takhi was helping, Mina was pretty damn good at running things on a battlefield. That does take quite a bit of wits and smarts.

The way I see it, under normal conditions Mina was very intelligent and very wise. However on the issue of her faith, that overrode anything else and resulted in a say... catagory specific penalty to her wisdom checks.

Normal checks -> Wis Mod = +5
Checks challenging her faith in the One God -> Wis Mod = -10
#17
ferratus
Aug 03, 2003 12:57:32 I like Mina as a cleric rather than a Mystic. However, what is her CR without her cleric spells? Would she be equivalent to a fighter of her BAB (Base Attack Bonus)?
#18
zombiegleemax
Aug 05, 2003 19:31:15 I only read the first book, but from what i could tell, she was definetly a cleric of some power. However, is it really true that she got her power from Takhisis? I thought that the gods dissapeared right after Palin and those knights beat that Chaos guy. (You know, the one who inhabited the greygem) So, if they did, then where the hell did Mina get her power when clerics all over Ansalon lost it?

I think that in truth, Mina's power came from Chaos (I think that's what his name was). She kept talking about the 'One God', which is what Chaos refered to himself as. If it was Tak, wouldn't she have had Mina proclaiming that Tak was above the other gods? And why would she be refering to herself as the 'One God' when before she was the Queen of Darkness and such?

Now, of course, this is probably not what you were looking for, and i may have this all wrong. I only read the first book, you see, but it just seems to me like Chaos had stuck around after Palin beat the crap out of him. I had to let that out...
#19
carteeg
Aug 05, 2003 19:40:46 RRG, you gotta read books two and three. :D

I don't think I'll spoil anything more than has already been said here, but "Taking the world and standing it on it's head" is pretty much put into a literal sense in the next two WoS books.
#20
dragontooth
Aug 05, 2003 22:58:43
Originally posted by RRG

I think that in truth, Mina's power came from Chaos (I think that's what his name was). She kept talking about the 'One God', which is what Chaos refered to himself as. If it was Tak, wouldn't she have had Mina proclaiming that Tak was above the other gods? And why would she be refering to herself as the 'One God' when before she was the Queen of Darkness and such?

DUDE you need to read the other books. They are so good.

:D :D :D :D :D

Your so far behind, and the DLCS will rune the books if you don't read them first.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Jul 31, 2003 10:56:06	Would somebody with the Ageof Mortals book mind posting her class levels? I'm curious, but my guess is Cleric. I don't really know what level to give her, but based on the magic she was using, she must be fairly high.
#2 brimstone Jul 31, 2003 11:35:11	Well...I haven't received my Age of Mortals book yet...I'm willing to bet that her Wisdom is probably pretty high...and her Charisma has to be super high. I think Cleric is the correct class for her...with maybe a few classes in some warrior class. Either way...we know that she isn't high enough level yet to cast Ressurrection (she refused to do it for her troops...and I think if she could've...she would have cast it on Takhisis). These are just guesses, though.
#3 brimstone Jul 31, 2003 11:42:14	Originally posted by Brimstone Either way...we know that she isn't high enough level yet to cast Ressurrection (she refused to do it for her troops...and I think if she could've...she would have cast it on Takhisis). Sorry...that's stupid...of course she couldn't cast it...she no longer had a god to pray too. Man...I should get more sleep at night. LOL!
#4 jonesy Jul 31, 2003 11:50:25	I'm willing to bet that her Wisdom is probably pretty high...and her Charisma has to be super high. Based on what? Now don't get me wrong, I did like Mina, but I never saw her as particularly intelligent, wise or even charismatic. Avarage on all would be my call. All the knowledge of things to come came from Takhisis, she never used her own judgement and followed Takhisis blindly and her charisma came almost completely from the deeds she carried out, not her persona. Which is why I'm very interested to see how she develops in the future.
#5 brimstone Jul 31, 2003 12:23:24	Originally posted by jonesy Based on what? Now don't get me wrong, I did like Mina, but I never saw her as particularly intelligent, wise or even charismatic. Avarage on all would be my call. All the knowledge of things to come came from Takhisis, she never used her own judgement and followed Takhisis blindly and her charisma came almost completely from the deeds she carried out, not her persona. Which is why I'm very interested to see how she develops in the future. I didn't say INT, I said WIS. I say that becasue she was obviously a powerful cleric (on the order of the Kingpriest...at least I'm seeing similarities between Mina and the way Pierson depicts Beldinas). And I say very high CHA because just her mere presense demands fanatic loyalty from her troops. I mean...look at what happened to the Knights of Nereka when she showed up. And even a good portion of the Elves. I'd say that has to mean a high Charisma (by the way...this is mirrored by Beldinas as well in the first book of Piersons latest trilogy)
#6 jonesy Jul 31, 2003 12:43:49	Originally posted by Brimstone I didn't say INT, I said WIS. I said all three. The reason I don't view her as a powerful cleric is that she was the only cleric of the only god at the time. The one goddess was able to channel as much power through Mina as was needed. I didn't see Mina doing all the fancy tricks all on her own. She had help on a grand scale.
#7 zombiegleemax Jul 31, 2003 13:06:30	From the descriptions of the magic going on in the WoS trilogy I got the impression that Mina wasn't doing very much and that Taki was basically casting the "spells" for her. If that is true, then I guess that she wouldn't be that high of a level, but if she was the one responsible for those "miracles" then she'd be higher, maybe 10-13 range.
#8 dragontooth Jul 31, 2003 14:39:08	She cast Regeneration on that minotaurs arm. 7th lvl spell so she had to be at least 13th lvl. with at least 17 Wis. So I can see her wisdom could easy be 18, or 19. Any Cleric casting a spell is basicly channeling the spell from their god. The gods are the one granting them their spells. Mina was casting all those spells on her own, and Tak was granting those spells to work. She had a very good Charisma as well. All the followers showed how she was charismatic.
#9 zombiegleemax Aug 01, 2003 7:51:37	I would say she was a proxy of Tak. she was pretty much Tak incarnate in a mortal worshiper. She did way more than any mere cleric should have been able to. Of course now that Tak is dead, either A. Mina holds the last vestiges of her devine power, or B. She pretty much lost all her power.
#10 zombiegleemax Aug 01, 2003 11:49:53	Mina, female human cleric 12/righteous Zealot 8 AL:LE HD: 12d8+36 + 8d6+24 hp:142 str:10 dex:14 con:16 int:17 wis:20 cha:21 her most important magic item is of course, the medallion of the One God. she also has a bunch of spell like abilies as the result of being a 8th level zealot. namely, oration, gather followers, resist enchantment, righteous indignation.
#11 brimstone Aug 01, 2003 12:24:26	Originally posted by zefiris AL:LE HD: 12d8+36 + 8d6+24 hp:142 str:10 dex:14 con:16 int:17 wis:20 cha:21 See...I told ya they'd be high. :D Although...I was way off on her level. Religious Zealot must be a new PrC?
#12 cam_banks Aug 01, 2003 12:37:34	Originally posted by Brimstone Although...I was way off on her level. Religious Zealot must be a new PrC? Yep. Perfect for the Kingpriests, Theocrats and evil Joans of Arc of the world. Cheers, Cam
#13 jonesy Aug 01, 2003 12:52:11	Originally posted by zefiris Mina, female human cleric 12/righteous Zealot 8 AL:LE HD: 12d8+36 + 8d6+24 hp:142 str:10 dex:14 con:16 int:17 wis:20 cha:21 her most important magic item is of course, the medallion of the One God. she also has a bunch of spell like abilies as the result of being a 8th level zealot. namely, oration, gather followers, resist enchantment, righteous indignation. She's going to lose a lot of her power after Taks death. So she is highly intelligent and completely blind to how Tak treats her. Oh well, I guess it's hard to outwit a god. I'm still dissappointed.
#14 shugi Aug 01, 2003 15:48:36	Originally posted by jonesy She's going to lose a lot of her power after Taks death. So she is highly intelligent and completely blind to how Tak treats her. Oh well, I guess it's hard to outwit a god. I'm still dissappointed. You could reasonably put Tak's INT around 30, which would mean that she's as far above Mina as Mina is to the average gully dwarf. Does that help the perspective? :D
#15 jonesy Aug 01, 2003 15:58:55	Originally posted by Eidolon You could reasonably put Tak's INT around 30, which would mean that she's as far above Mina as Mina is to the average gully dwarf. Does that help the perspective? :D I suppose it does. I just I figured she had something like avarage intelligence (which in the normal human range would be 10-11).
#16 carteeg Aug 01, 2003 18:06:26	Well, regardless of how much Takhi was helping, Mina was pretty damn good at running things on a battlefield. That does take quite a bit of wits and smarts. The way I see it, under normal conditions Mina was very intelligent and very wise. However on the issue of her faith, that overrode anything else and resulted in a say... catagory specific penalty to her wisdom checks. Normal checks -> Wis Mod = +5 Checks challenging her faith in the One God -> Wis Mod = -10
#17 ferratus Aug 03, 2003 12:57:32	I like Mina as a cleric rather than a Mystic. However, what is her CR without her cleric spells? Would she be equivalent to a fighter of her BAB (Base Attack Bonus)?
#18 zombiegleemax Aug 05, 2003 19:31:15	I only read the first book, but from what i could tell, she was definetly a cleric of some power. However, is it really true that she got her power from Takhisis? I thought that the gods dissapeared right after Palin and those knights beat that Chaos guy. (You know, the one who inhabited the greygem) So, if they did, then where the hell did Mina get her power when clerics all over Ansalon lost it? I think that in truth, Mina's power came from Chaos (I think that's what his name was). She kept talking about the 'One God', which is what Chaos refered to himself as. If it was Tak, wouldn't she have had Mina proclaiming that Tak was above the other gods? And why would she be refering to herself as the 'One God' when before she was the Queen of Darkness and such? Now, of course, this is probably not what you were looking for, and i may have this all wrong. I only read the first book, you see, but it just seems to me like Chaos had stuck around after Palin beat the crap out of him. I had to let that out...
#19 carteeg Aug 05, 2003 19:40:46	RRG, you gotta read books two and three. :D I don't think I'll spoil anything more than has already been said here, but "Taking the world and standing it on it's head" is pretty much put into a literal sense in the next two WoS books.
#20 dragontooth Aug 05, 2003 22:58:43	Originally posted by RRG I think that in truth, Mina's power came from Chaos (I think that's what his name was). She kept talking about the 'One God', which is what Chaos refered to himself as. If it was Tak, wouldn't she have had Mina proclaiming that Tak was above the other gods? And why would she be refering to herself as the 'One God' when before she was the Queen of Darkness and such? DUDE you need to read the other books. They are so good. :D :D :D :D :D Your so far behind, and the DLCS will rune the books if you don't read them first.