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#1 zombiegleemax Aug 10, 2003 16:41:17	Okay....I have heard that the DLCS does not include a complete map.....or any map at all. Though I have come to expect this of wizards since they released Ghostwalk. And then I find that the Age of Mortals doesn't have one either. What's going on here? Don't any of the powers that be think that this campaign requires a map? I mean sheesh....It's not like the world hasn't seen major geographical change since the last time a map was printed for it. I'm fairly ticked off about this...are we ever going to get a map of the current Ansalon?
#2 Dragonhelm Aug 10, 2003 17:16:33	Age of Mortals had already been sent to the printers by the time Sov. Press knew that there would be no world map. Same story with the hoopak, really. I'm hoping they'll put a full-world map in the upcoming Atlas.
#3 zombiegleemax Aug 10, 2003 17:18:52	I sure hope so......or perhaps sell it on its own?......or.....maybe with the screen? If any of those ideas can be passed along it'd be cool
#4 zombiegleemax Aug 10, 2003 18:24:10	I agree Im very ticked that there is no map.
#5 zombiegleemax Aug 10, 2003 21:46:47	I'm still using my map from the TaTL boxed set. It is the best I've seen. I need to see if anyone has done a map of Krynn on Campaign Cartographer or Fractal Mapper.
#6 iltharanos Aug 10, 2003 23:48:42	Does the DLCS at least have some maps? No world map ... okay. But there are at least regional maps, right?
#7 zombiegleemax Aug 11, 2003 0:01:53	It has one page regional maps that are so so. It gives you a general idea of where everything is. I was spoiled by the atlas, if it hadn't been for that I might view the maps better. I don't know how someone without any other maps could play a campaign here .. there isn't any indication how to place all those regional maps together. Some of the smaller maps of cities and islands are good, though. I think a full map was intended for either the DLCS or the AoM book but they both got scrapped by WoTC before SP could do anything about it.
#8 iltharanos Aug 11, 2003 0:09:19	Originally posted by themeecer It has one page regional maps that are so so. It gives you a general idea of where everything is. I was spoiled by the atlas, if it hadn't been for that I might view the maps better. I don't know how someone without any other maps could play a campaign here .. there isn't any indication how to place all those regional maps together. Some of the smaller maps of cities and islands are good, though. I think a full map was intended for either the DLCS or the AoM book but they both got scrapped by WoTC before SP could do anything about it. That's freakin' stupid of WotC. How hard would it have been to put a map on the inside cover? Or barring that, an even smaller one page map somewhere in the book. One page, just so people unfamiliar with the setting know where the hell everything is located. Bloody sloppy.
#9 brimstone Aug 11, 2003 12:21:42	Well...there are several 1 and 2 page maps (2 pages for Northern Ansalon, 2 pages for southern Ansalon, 1 page for eastern Ansalon, and 1 page for western Ansalon) And there are many other smaller maps. That, while they aren't as convienent as a pull out map, they are beautifully drawn/painted. Also, they are very VERY high level maps...meaning they don't have much information beyond geography and a few of the well known places. However there is are a few smaller maps of the whole continent. There is a Political Map as Ansalon stands post-War of Souls. Also there is a climate map (although this might be in the Age of Mortals book).
#10 zombiegleemax Aug 11, 2003 13:39:35	I forgot about the political map. It still would have been nice to had a one page map without that overlay, though. I'm sure they will get a good map out to us soon. Maybe under the form that the Kender map of Krynn was done.
#11 zombiegleemax Aug 11, 2003 21:44:58	What about a full color, all on one page, map of the known world in the form of a web enhancement? I think that would be the perfect way to fix this little oversight...any thoughts on this idea?
#12 zombiegleemax Aug 11, 2003 21:46:51	Web enhancment would be great to tide us over till we can get a printed one. Matters little to me, though. I play in the War of the Lance period and the map has changed since then.
#13 talinthas Aug 11, 2003 21:52:10	if you play war of the lance, you won't find a better map than TotL.
#14 zombiegleemax Aug 11, 2003 21:55:22	That's what I use. I just got it laminated. And for close ups I use my atlas.
#15 zombiegleemax Aug 11, 2003 22:02:43	Well I think a one page web enhancement would be nice or even a 6 page one that we can print and put together to make a good size map. Either way gimme gimme gimme
#16 zombiegleemax Aug 12, 2003 1:06:00	It might not be the most uptodate map of ansalon, but I found this on the web and I use it, since WotC haven't bothered to make anything better (or anything at all ) Big ANsalon map 4th age
#17 iltharanos Aug 12, 2003 1:22:33	Originally posted by Brimstone However there is are a few smaller maps of the whole continent. There is a Political Map as Ansalon stands post-War of Souls. Also there is a climate map (although this might be in the Age of Mortals book). That's not so bad then
#18 zombiegleemax Aug 12, 2003 15:02:35	The 4th age map is great but it doesn't do much for those who play in the 5th age I'm afraid. ;) I'm still hoping WotC will give us a map in the form of a web enhancment.
#19 randpc Aug 13, 2003 17:14:32	Originally posted by Eylwn Highmoon Big ANsalon map 4th age Thanks for the link. Time for my printer to get a workout. That map is extremely useful for me as I play within 4'th age, so it's perfectly updated.
#20 zombiegleemax Aug 13, 2003 18:05:51	Yes I think my campaign will be set in the fifth age so a new map is a must.
#21 zombiegleemax Aug 14, 2003 5:35:48	We had originally hoped that the DLCS would include a pull-out poster map very much like the one found in the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting. If we had known that would not happen, there would have been an opportunity to do something along those lines with AGE OF MORTALS. We have every intention of getting this map out, but because our products are planned far in advance, this may take some time and adjustment to our schedule. Be patient! The map you've been waiting for is on the way! Jamie Chambers Sovereign Press, Inc.
#22 ferratus Aug 14, 2003 5:42:24	Well, if I'm understanding correctly, we have the political map, and the climate map. The pull-out map is simply something to laminate and hang on your wall. Even I'm reasonable enough to be completely content waiting for that! ;) I'm really looking forward to seeing the political map.
#23 kipper_snifferdoo_02 Aug 14, 2003 9:19:06	The only wish I have for the fold out map is that you try to retain as many of the mystical and divine sites as possible from the 4th Age Map. I know a lot of people may have found them to be a ditraction, but I really liked knowing where that stuff was. I think it added something interesting to the map. :D
#24 zombiegleemax Sep 05, 2003 11:39:35	What I don't understand is this. The maps that show up in the DLCS look like they're part of a larger map. Where they all done seperately or did they already draw a full map?
#25 talinthas Sep 05, 2003 11:41:44	at one point in the development cycle, there was a map. wotc took it out. now there isnt a map.
#26 zombiegleemax Sep 05, 2003 11:52:03	Yup, there should have been a map. There ain't no map. Map is beat to death. Im not buying the blame it all on WOTC thing either, but its over cause there ain't no map. Next
#27 zombiegleemax Sep 05, 2003 13:51:51	Muhahaha, thats so true as well. There do tend to be alot of posts but if you aren't a board regular you wouldn't know that there has been alot of discussion on this topic. Plus the answers seem to always blame WOTC for the no map issue even though one wasn't included in AoM either.
#28 brimstone Sep 05, 2003 13:51:56	Originally posted by A2Z Maybe I don't have all day to read every freaking thread on the boards. True...but at least you could read the posts of the thread you were posting to. There weren't even all that many on this thread.
#29 zombiegleemax Sep 05, 2003 13:56:03	Nowhere in this thread does it mention that a map had already been made. I asked a simple question.
#30 brimstone Sep 05, 2003 14:17:41	Originally posted by Hammerhand Plus the answers seem to always blame WOTC for the no map issue even though one wasn't included in AoM either. Well...it was WotC who took it out of the DLCS and then failed to inform Sov Press that they did so...so it was too late to get it put in AoM...and they even found out too late to get it into the DM Scree according to threads (if I remember correctly). And it doesn't really belong in the Bestiary. So, who knows, we may very well have to wait until the Atlas. Who cares...it's not like you can't find Ansalonian maps all over the place. Sure, it's too bad it got cut from this book...but we're just gonna have to deal with it...and accept the fact that it won't be able to be introduced into any of the current line up of products. Although...now that I think about it...Key of Destiny would be a good candidate for the map. I wonder if it's too late for that one?
#31 brimstone Sep 05, 2003 14:20:17	Originally posted by A2Z Nowhere in this thread does it mention that a map had already been made. Well...no, not exactly. But what Jamie says pretty much implies the answer to your question. (not to mention...it is fairly obvious, as you point out, that the 4 regional maps were cut from the same map).
#32 cam_banks Sep 05, 2003 14:25:49	Originally posted by A2Z Screw you! If you didn't want to answer then don't. Maybe I don't have all day to read every freaking thread on the boards. Lose the attitude dick. It was a simple question. There's no reason for that kind of language on these boards. As others have said, the information is either stated or implied on this thread from both SP representatives and others who have heard about it elsewhere. Talinthas' comments may be a sign of his own frustration at the number of times this subject has come up and it's unfortunate that he chose you to vent it at, but your response is several levels more offensive. Try and keep your own posts civil even if you don't believe others are. Cheers, Cam
#33 zombiegleemax Sep 05, 2003 14:48:30	Originally posted by Cam Banks Talinthas' comments may be a sign of his own frustration at the number of times this subject has come up and it's unfortunate that he chose you to vent it at, but your response is several levels more offensive. I disagree. Talinthas is the one who came out swinging.
#34 zombiegleemax Sep 05, 2003 14:49:08	Once again, Cam, you beat me to saying exactly the same thing. And, ofcourse, say it better than I would've. Blast!
#35 Dragonhelm Sep 05, 2003 15:05:48	Originally posted by A2Z Screw you! If you didn't want to answer then don't. Maybe I don't have all day to read every freaking thread on the boards. Lose the attitude ****. It was a simple question. Alright, let's ease up here. There is a Code of Conduct here, which you are all well aware of. Let's keep these boards family-friendly. I have contacted the WizOs regarding this thread. --Community Advisor Type Guy
#36 zombiegleemax Sep 05, 2003 15:23:16	I'm done with this thread. Serves me right, of course, for daring to ask a question that may possibly have been discussed before on a board with millions of posts. Enjoy your superiority. You can be sure I won't waste your time again.
#37 Dragonhelm Sep 05, 2003 15:29:55	Originally posted by A2Z I'm done with this thread. Serves me right, of course, for daring to ask a question that may possibly have been discussed before on a board with millions of posts. Enjoy your superiority. You can be sure I won't waste your time again. Nothing to do with superiority. Everything to do with being courteous. Anyhoo, let's get this back on topic, if we can please.
#38 cam_banks Sep 05, 2003 15:38:50	Originally posted by A2Z I'm done with this thread. Serves me right, of course, for daring to ask a question that may possibly have been discussed before on a board with millions of posts. Enjoy your superiority. You can be sure I won't waste your time again. There was nothing wrong with your question, but the answer was on this very thread. It's a thread with 37 posts (of which this is one.) There was a map, Jamie intended for one to be in the DLCS, but it didn't end up being included and we instead had enclosed 4-part maps. That's as much as we know. Cheers, Cam
#39 zombiegleemax Sep 05, 2003 16:01:38	Originally posted by Dragonhelm Nothing to do with superiority. Everything to do with being courteous. Tell that to Talinthas.
#40 shugi Sep 05, 2003 17:31:01	Originally posted by themeecer I'm still using my map from the TaTL boxed set. It is the best I've seen. I need to see if anyone has done a map of Krynn on Campaign Cartographer or Fractal Mapper. One of my players is working on just such a map. The good news is that we're using the maps from the DLCS, TotL, and some SAGA sets for reference. The bad news is that there's no way we'd be able to release such a thing to the public (without explicit permission from both Sovereign Press and WotC), since we're using the actual TotL map as a basis.
#41 Dragonhelm Sep 05, 2003 19:04:10	Originally posted by Squirrel Nutkin Tell that to Talinthas. Guys, it's time to call a cease-fire here. I think we're all mature enough to put aside our differences, and discuss the one thing that brings us together - Dragonlance. Now, to get back on topic.... I'm a bit disappointed that there wasn't a map either. However, I can think of two places where it would be keen to have one. Firstly, War of the Lance. I'm hoping that if they don't have a modern-era continent map, that they'll have a WotL-era map in there. Where I would really like to see one (and this makes the most sense to me) is in the upcoming Atlas. Actually, I have a few hopes for the Atlas. My first hope is that they'll have Karen Wynn Fonstad (correct name?) do the Atlas. She did the old DL atlas, as well as the FR atlas, Middle-earth, and Pern. She does the most fantastic Atlases, and I hope she can be recruited for this as well. My second hope is that we might have details on Taladas. Anyhoo, those are my thoughts and hopes. What would you guys like to see in the Atlas?
#42 daedavias_dup Sep 05, 2003 21:32:06	Originally posted by Brimstone Well...it was WotC who took it out of the DLCS and then failed to inform Sov Press that they did so...so it was too late to get it put in AoM...and they even found out too late to get it into the DM Scree according to threads (if I remember correctly). And it doesn't really belong in the Bestiary. So, who knows, we may very well have to wait until the Atlas. Who cares...it's not like you can't find Ansalonian maps all over the place. Sure, it's too bad it got cut from this book...but we're just gonna have to deal with it...and accept the fact that it won't be able to be introduced into any of the current line up of products. Although...now that I think about it...Key of Destiny would be a good candidate for the map. I wonder if it's too late for that one? I don't think it would be too wrong to put the map in the Bestiary, it would seem odd, but it would give an even bigger incentive to buy the book(not that there isn't an overwhelmingly large one in the first place). I agree that the Key of Destiny should be the prime candidate though. *casts summon Jamie Chambers spell* :D :D :D
#43 talinthas Sep 05, 2003 22:57:10	whoa whoa whoa. i go to school, come back and find myself to be the biggest target since malys. hang on, and let me go back over what i said to see what could have set anyone off. at one point in the development cycle, there was a map. wotc took it out. now there isnt a map. that is a simple answer to the question posed. There is no malice involved, no sarcasm i can see. How did i 'come out swinging'? And i didn't lie or mislead anyone. Dude asked if there was a full map. I agree that they look like chunks of a full map. I misread his post, which asked if these were drawn individually or chunked out of a full map, because, as cam stated, the lack of a map irks me to no end. Looking at it, yeah, it looks like they chunked a full map. but damn dude, what set you off? and nutkin? maybe i missed the part of those three sentances that turns me into the biggest donkey this side of the flame board at nutkinland?
#44 daedavias_dup Sep 06, 2003 0:21:24	Originally posted by talinthas whoa whoa whoa. i go to school, come back and find myself to be the biggest target since malys. hang on, and let me go back over what i said to see what could have set anyone off. that is a simple answer to the question posed. There is no malice involved, no sarcasm i can see. How did i 'come out swinging'? And i didn't lie or mislead anyone. Dude asked if there was a full map. I agree that they look like chunks of a full map. I misread his post, which asked if these were drawn individually or chunked out of a full map, because, as cam stated, the lack of a map irks me to no end. Looking at it, yeah, it looks like they chunked a full map. but damn dude, what set you off? and nutkin? maybe i missed the part of those three sentances that turns me into the biggest donkey this side of the flame board at nutkinland? Question, what did it say before WotC_Mel raided it? Anyway, this topic is moot, there's no need to fan the flames anymore than they already have been.
#45 talinthas Sep 06, 2003 1:13:42	good call. shrug. i've been having a crap day, so flames just irked me =)
#46 zombiegleemax Sep 08, 2003 11:02:19	You edited your posted. You know damn well what you're original post was. Don't play the inocent here. You're just lucky your original comments weren't quoted.
#47 cam_banks Sep 08, 2003 11:11:09	Originally posted by A2Z You edited your posted. You know damn well what you're original post was. Don't play the inocent here. You're just lucky your original comments weren't quoted. He didn't edit it, the moderator did. It's all taken care of - move along, move along. Cheers, Cam
#48 zombiegleemax Sep 08, 2003 11:39:24	I totally agree that it should be made into a web enhancement. It would take all of 5 mins. Some wizards guy "Hey Joe Tech guy can you throw these 6 pdf's or 6 jpg's up on the web server" Joe Tech guy "sure it will take 5 mins" Wizards has the whole map in digital form somewhere so why not give it to us. It is not like it is going to cost them anything.
#49 zombiegleemax Sep 08, 2003 12:23:16	Yup, map should have been up on the web before now.
#50 Demon_Lightfoot Sep 08, 2003 13:34:40	Originally posted by Cam Banks He didn't edit it, the moderator did. It's all taken care of - move along, move along. Cheers, Cam If he's trying to pretend that his now fairly-innocuous, Moderator-edited post is his actual original post, and cast himself as the wounded party, it isn't "taken care of". I call "Shenannigans".
#51 talinthas Sep 08, 2003 13:43:10	*edited by talinthas* actually, you know what? it doesnt matter what i may or may not have to say regarding this. have a nice day =)
#52 zombiegleemax Sep 08, 2003 14:17:38	Originally posted by talinthas *edited by talinthas* actually, you know what? it doesnt matter what i may or may not have to say regarding this. have a nice day =) I couldn't agree more.
#53 wotc_mel Sep 08, 2003 16:58:27	I think all the ground that could be covered here, has been. Thread closed.