* * * Wizards Community Thread * * * -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Thread : Chainmail World Setting Started at 06-20-07 05:51 PM by DrowBattlemind Visit at http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=870813 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1] Author : DrowBattlemind Date : 06-20-07 05:51 PM Thread Title : Chainmail World Setting Since the Chainmail rules set is out of print (the newer version, not the original minis rules Gygax and Arneson put together in the 70's), does anyone know of where I can get some hard data on the Chainmail setting? It's supposedly the OTHER half of the continent in which we find the World of Greyhawk, past the Sea of Dust and the Dry Steppes. Any idea where this info can be found, other than a rulebook WotC's website is claiming (by omission, anyway) doesn't exist? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 2] Author : Solaris Date : 06-21-07 04:20 AM Thread Title : Re: Chainmail World Setting 3.0 is out of print too, but this isn't the board for it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 3] Author : Jewelprotector Date : 06-21-07 11:57 PM Thread Title : Re: Chainmail World Setting "D&D Out of Print" is located under "Other Worlds Related Topics". Doesn't that same argument hold for, say, Greyhawk, which is also under "Other Worlds", despite being the 3rd edition setting? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 4] Author : Gleepwurp Date : 06-25-07 09:37 AM Thread Title : Re: Chainmail World Setting The O.P. isn't talking about the Chainmail minis game published by WOTC; they are talking about the rule book originally published by Gygax and Perrin (I think) in the 1970s which was a medieval wargame. It was just a little book -- about 60+ pages, comb binding (I have a very tattered copy) and you were supposed to buy miniature figures, paint them up and fight medieval battles with dice and rulers --- sort of like Warhammer. The book had a chapter in the back about adding 'fantasy' to your medieval battles --- with dwarves, elves, dragons, etc. Supposedly Dave Arneson took the chainmail rules and adapted them for his game group so that each player controlled a single person rather than armies and he and Gygax later collaborated on D&D. But the intro of the old D&D book mentioned a gaming society and a fantasy world they used for their fantasy wargames... Gary Gygax designed the part known as Greyhawk and Arneson designed the part known as Blackmoor --- but later Gygax and Arneson parted ways so who knows how much the Greyhawk that was published later resembles the original project. As far as I know, that world map was never published. But my knowledge is not extensive. Do a google search on a guy who posts as 'Grodog' and try to find his site -- if anyone knows, he does. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 5] Author : havard Date : 06-26-07 03:10 PM Thread Title : Re: Chainmail World Setting I wonder what the most popular armor of that setting would be.... :rimshot: IIRC the original Castles and Crusades setting greatly resembled parts of North America. For the revised version, some of the maps of Greyhawk have the rest of the continent outlined.... Havard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 6] Author : Solaris Date : 06-26-07 03:45 PM Thread Title : Re: Chainmail World Setting The O.P. isn't talking about the Chainmail minis game published by WOTC; they are talking about the rule book originally published by Gygax and Perrin Since the Chainmail rules set is out of print (the newer version, not the original minis rules okay... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 7] Author : DrowBattlemind Date : 06-27-07 12:41 AM Thread Title : Re: Chainmail World Setting At this point, either one, I don't care. If I can find the 3.0 stuff, that'd be cool, that has the world setting info in it... The original Gygax & Arneson stuff was just a slim rules booklet on how to incorporate fantasy miniatures into the then (totally historical) miniatures wargaming hobby. For the revised version, some of the maps of Greyhawk have the rest of the continent outlined.... yes, but no concrete gaming information. Either way, they're both out of print, and either way, I'd like some help on this. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 8] Author : Solaris Date : 06-27-07 02:27 AM Thread Title : Re: Chainmail World Setting The original Gygax & Arneson stuff was just a slim rules booklet on how to incorporate fantasy miniatures into the then (totally historical) miniatures wargaming hobby.Sounds like Swords & Spells, by just Gygax. Chainmail, by Gygax & Perren, was a historical (specifically medieval) wargame, though my copy contains a fantasy supplement. There's no setting information in either of those. Since you're insisting on "Gygax & Arneson", is it possible you're really thinking of OD&D (i.e., Original D&D, the delusions of some folks around here notwithstanding)? The original D&D set was titled "Dungeons & Dragons, Rules for Fantastic Medieval Wargames Campaigns Playable with Paper and Pencil and Miniature Figures" and does credit Arneson along with Gygax. There's no setting information there, either, however. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 9] Author : Gleepwurp Date : 06-27-07 10:41 AM Thread Title : Re: Chainmail World Setting okay... Whoopsie! Guess I am, officially, a doofus. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 10] Author : Hugin Date : 06-27-07 12:54 PM Thread Title : Re: Chainmail World Setting ...thinking of OD&D (i.e., Original D&D, the delusions of some folks around here notwithstanding)? ... I had a dream I was a fish and a worm floated by. I thought I'd be smart and leave the worm alone so I swam in the other direction. But when I turned, I swam right into a cement wall! "Dam!" :P Back on topic, so is the chainmail setting founded on RW history with fantasy elements included? Something like a what-if senario? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 11] Author : havard Date : 06-27-07 01:11 PM Thread Title : Re: Chainmail World Setting Back on topic, so is the chainmail setting founded on RW history with fantasy elements included? Something like a what-if senario? From what I understand, for the original Castles and Crusades "world" they simply used the map of the USA. Different people got assigned different parts of the map to develop. One region was Dave Arneson's for instance and called Blackmoor. Another was assigned to Gary Gygax and called Blackmoor. Not really sure who the others were. Rob Kuntz perhaps? I also dont know if this was the setting used for Chainmail, but it was the setting that grew into several home campaigns for D&D, some of which were published... Havard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 12] Author : Hugin Date : 06-27-07 01:47 PM Thread Title : Re: Chainmail World Setting One region was Dave Arneson's for instance and called Blackmoor. Another was assigned to Gary Gygax and called Blackmoor. They both used the name Blackmoor on the same continent? Maybe these guys weren't quite as creative as I had imagined. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 13] Author : havard Date : 06-27-07 02:27 PM Thread Title : Re: Chainmail World Setting They both used the name Blackmoor on the same continent? Maybe these guys weren't quite as creative as I had imagined. Ooops, typo. Gary's region was ofcourse called Greyhawk :embarrass :P I guess I have a tendency of putting in "Blackmoor" wherever I can ;) Havard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 14] Author : Hugin Date : 06-27-07 02:35 PM Thread Title : Re: Chainmail World Setting Ooops, typo. Gary's region was ofcourse called Greyhawk :embarrass :P I guess I have a tendency of putting in "Blackmoor" wherever I can ;) Havard That makes a whole lot more sense! :D So, you like Blackmoor do you? ;) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 15] Author : havard Date : 06-27-07 05:20 PM Thread Title : Re: Chainmail World Setting So, you like Blackmoor do you? ;) Naaah..... ;) Havard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 16] Author : DrowBattlemind Date : 06-28-07 02:00 PM Thread Title : Re: Chainmail World Setting is it possible you're really thinking of OD&D (i.e., Original D&D, the delusions of some folks around here notwithstanding)? The original D&D set was titled "Dungeons & Dragons, Rules for Fantastic Medieval Wargames Campaigns Playable with Paper and Pencil and Miniature Figures" and does credit Arneson along with Gygax. Original Chainmail was before that, waaaay back when Dragon magazine (may it rest in peace) was called The Strategic Review... where we get TSR from. It was even slimmer (imagine that!), and as far as I know, had no campaign data, it was just intended to let folks use their Gandalf miniatures and dime-store critters in with any miniature wargame. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 17] Author : Solaris Date : 06-28-07 04:29 PM Thread Title : Re: Chainmail World Setting Original Chainmail was before that, waaaay back when Dragon magazine (may it rest in peace) was called The Strategic Review... where we get TSR from. Actually, it's from before that; the first issue of The Strategic Review contains OD&D material, and OD&D came after Chainmail. But my suggestion was that if you're sure that the thing you're talking about was written by Gygax and Arneson (as you seem to be, since you keep saying so) then you cannot be talking about Chainmail. Again... The original Gygax & Arneson stuff was just a slim rules booklet on how to incorporate fantasy miniatures into the then (totally historical) miniatures wargaming hobby. If it's really Gygax & Arneson you're looking for, then it's not Chainmail (a historical wargame by Gygax and Perren with a chapter on fantasy miniatures), it's not Swords & Spells (A fantasy miniatures wargame by Gygax alone), and pretty much the only thing left is OD&D which is by Gygax & Arneson and is for fantasy miniatures campaigns, and was a set of three slim booklets. It's the only thing that matches all your criteria. as far as I know, had no campaign dataThen what were you looking for again? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 18] Author : DrowBattlemind Date : 06-29-07 02:12 AM Thread Title : Re: Chainmail World Setting Well, after looking through old back issues of Dragon, the "Sundered Realm setting of the Chainmail game", ref. p. 91 of Dragon #298, article 'Chainmail, Exiles From the Vault'. That line (in the sidebar) distinctly implies a published setting, which (according to my local game shop-keeper) is set on the same continent as the WoG, but set on the other side of the devastated areas of the Dry Steppes and Sea of Dust. However, he's originally a Warhammer gamer, and didn't get into the D&D minis until the 3.0 Chainmail game had been dropped in favor of 3.5's Dungeons And Dragons Miniatures. If this IS the wrong board for this thread (which I doubt, because out of print is still out of print), then someone please tell me where I need to post this in order for someone to answer this question? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 19] Author : Solaris Date : 06-29-07 02:31 AM Thread Title : Re: Chainmail World Setting If this IS the wrong board for this thread (which I doubt, because out of print is still out of print), then someone please tell me where I need to post this in order for someone to answer this question? Out of print is out of print, but traditionally they've kept 3.0 stuff off this board. If you're talking about stuff from the new game, as it now seems you are (#298 is a bit late to be relevant to the original Chainmail wargame), I'd try D&D General, or maybe one of the miniatures forums. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 20] Author : Solaris Date : 06-29-07 06:08 PM Thread Title : Re: Chainmail World Setting Well, after looking through old back issues of Dragon, the "Sundered Realm setting of the Chainmail game", ref. p. 91 of Dragon #298 I've done some Googling, and it turns out that the setting is called the Sundered Empire, not the Sundered Realm. There was to be a series of articles in Dragon, starting July 2001: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/article.asp?x=minis/ch20010510a Dragon #285 has some information: http://oracle.wizards.com/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind0106c&L=greyhawk-l&P=1665 Dragon #315 has notes on the creation of the setting: http://index.rpg.net/display-article.phtml?articleid=2669 http://www.hanshortes.com/dmindex/topic/sunderedempirecs.html This is definitely new-edition stuff, and probably would have been answered days ago in the right forum. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 21] Author : DrowBattlemind Date : 06-30-07 09:23 PM Thread Title : Re: Chainmail World Setting Domo Arigato, mien fruends! or, Thanks! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Downloaded from Wizards Community (http://forums.gleemax.com) at 05-10-08 08:16 AM.