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#1 zombiegleemax Aug 20, 2003 0:08:39	Are they mentioned in the DLCS? Are they just a character concept, or are they supposed to take the Cavalier PrC from Sword and Fist, or what? THere is a Cavalier PrC in SaF, isn't there? I ask this, because if they're not dealt with, then this would be a perfect opportunity to resurect my Knight base class.
#2 zombiegleemax Aug 20, 2003 0:13:02	Sorry to say but they're not mentioned in the DLCS as a prestige class, but that's not to say they won't be covered in another supplement. Arandur
#3 talinthas Aug 20, 2003 0:29:22	why would they be? i've never heard of cavaliers in DL. On the other hand, DLA doesnt forbid them, so...
#4 zombiegleemax Aug 20, 2003 0:37:09	The Cavalier was a core class in second edition Tal Could be played by humans, half-elves or Silvanesti from memory... Arandur
#5 talinthas Aug 20, 2003 0:58:25	right, that'll tell you how much i remember TotL now that i have the wonderful DLCS =) really, the only thing i got out of the tales of the lance box worth anything was the map. and the dm screen, but that became useless come third ed.
#6 jonesy Aug 20, 2003 1:03:29	If I'm not completely bonkers cavaliers get mentioned in Defenders of Magic (in a discussion between the differences between them and the Solamnic knights).
#7 zombiegleemax Aug 20, 2003 1:05:33	Yeah a lot of people forget the cavalier from the ToTL boxed set just like the mariner class Arandur
#8 cam_banks Aug 20, 2003 7:32:19	Originally posted by Arandur Yeah a lot of people forget the cavalier from the ToTL boxed set just like the mariner class That's because they weren't real classes. The cavalier, barbarian, mariner, and con artist were just fighters and rogues with kits applied to them. Kits were a 2nd edition mechanic that characters took to specialize or tweak their classes, but were wildly variable in power level and effectiveness. For Tales of the Lance, rather than supply them as kits and say "now apply these benefits and penalties" they simply hardwired them onto fighters and rogues etc and said "look! new class!" That being said, cavaliers and barbarians were in 1st edition's Dragonlance Adventures as actual classes. DLA came out after Unearthed Arcana, the AD&D handbook which introduced the cavalier, barbarian, thief acrobat, etc as classes (although they had already appeared in Dragon magazine). Knights of Solamnia and paladins were sub-classes of cavalier, in fact. They're not in the DLCS, nor are they likely to show up in any DL product, however. Cavalier = knight = fighter at this point, and if you feel like using the one from Sword and Fist, you're probably welcome - but Sovereign Press has all the knighthoods covered already. Cheers, Cam
#9 Dragonhelm Aug 20, 2003 9:20:14	I doubt you're going to have Sovereign Press going through every WotC source for prestige classes and dictating what is allowed and what isn't. That being said, there are knights out there that are not members of the KoS or KoT. My serve their local lord, although you have some independents as well. Unsung Heroes had a cavalier named Steveck uth Drastin, who a member of the Order of the Gold Lance. It was a severely small knighthood founded by his ancestor, Drastin, who disagreed with the KoS on some philosophical issues. At the time of the War of the Lance, it had a grand whopping 12 members. ;) The DMG says that prestige classes are purely optional. My advice in regards to any PrC is to see if it fits your campaign or not. If so, feel free to use it. If not, then don't allow it. Good gaming!
#10 brimstone Aug 20, 2003 11:08:43	Originally posted by Dragonhelm The DMG says that prestige classes are purely optional. My advice in regards to any PrC is to see if it fits your campaign or not. If so, feel free to use it. If not, then don't allow it. Very sound advice.
#11 jonesy Aug 20, 2003 11:21:28	We always follow the guideline: "A prestige class is a reward, not a goal." The DM in our games is the one who provides an opportunity for getting one (through NPCs), the players only get to say whether they want to be trained as one or not.
#12 B-naa Aug 20, 2003 12:50:27	Originally posted by jonesy If I'm not completely bonkers cavaliers get mentioned in Defenders of Magic (in a discussion between the differences between them and the Solamnic knights). Yes, thats true, in the third volume there's even some Egothian Cavailiers in the fight against Lyim's army.
#13 banshee Aug 20, 2003 23:34:42	Originally posted by talinthas why would they be? i've never heard of cavaliers in DL. On the other hand, DLA doesnt forbid them, so... Cavaliers also appeared in the first Dragonlance hardcover as well, I think.... No details about them, but just class level restrictions for the various races... Banshee
#14 zombiegleemax Aug 21, 2003 23:06:48	By cavaliers, I really meant the Cavaliers, and how it was explained to me was that after the KoS was established, the Ergothian king decided that he could start his own knighthood too, and that was the Cavaliers, although the cavalier class was basically a knight base class.