My (unofficial) DLCS Errata

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#1

brimstone

Aug 22, 2003 11:50:57

Hey guys...I'm sure most of you have seen me talk about this, but I just wanted to let you know it's up on the Nexus now (just in time for the release date!)

It's in the Unofficial Rules section on the "Role Playing Articles" page. Click here for a link to the errata.

Just thought I'd let y'all know.
#2

carteeg

Aug 22, 2003 12:31:53
Nice clean write up. Brief and to the point for each points.
#3

brimstone

Aug 22, 2003 12:53:37
Thanks.

I tried to keep them short...but there were a few (and they were usually the "subjective canon" entries) that I felt I may need to explain myself a little bit.

Feel free to give it a "review" on the Nexus, too. :D
#4

shugi

Aug 22, 2003 13:56:24
Excellent job, Tobin! Of course, I simply must compare this to the DLCS itself when I get home :D but even so, well done!
#5

brimstone

Aug 22, 2003 14:05:54
Thanks, Shug!

An unofficial errata for the AoM is in the works right now. I can pretty much guarantee that it won't be anywhere near as long as the DLCS, what with less hands in the pot, in house "editors," etc.

I'm about 25 or so pages into it and I only have 2 sold entries (and two I need to research). That is so much cleaner than the DLCS, it's not even funny.

Although from what I understand there's a "Mahere" I need to keep my eyes open for in the AoM.
#6

zombiegleemax

Aug 22, 2003 15:32:23
And it has been reported on ENWorld. I'm reading through it now Tobin but I'm sure you did a great job man. Thx!
#7

brimstone

Aug 22, 2003 16:17:19
Thanks, Richard.

That's interesting. I guess those enworld guys just kinda keep an eye on dl.com or something, huh? (along with everything else, D&D related)

Did you see though...a miniatures book...with feats and stuff? That seems odd. I'll have to check it out though. But I need to save money for the Bestiary of Krynn and the Draconomicon. Those two will put dents in the ol' pocket book. heh heh
#8

jonesy

Aug 22, 2003 16:21:03
Your DLCS errata actually turned out to be much much smaller than I had anticipated. Not to say that I was prejudiced against Wizards editors, but...
And only a select few made me cringe. Half-orc! Half-orc! Aaargh!. :D

Brilliant work.
#9

jonesy

Aug 22, 2003 16:31:31
I guess those enworld guys just kinda keep an eye on dl.com or something, huh?

Well seeing as how most of those enworld guys are also here...;)
#10

brimstone

Aug 22, 2003 16:35:11
They are? Who are they? I've never actually known (or completely glossed over) who ran the enworld.org site.
#11

brimstone

Aug 22, 2003 16:50:09
Originally posted by jonesy
And only a select few made me cringe. Half-orc! Half-orc! Aaargh!. :D

Brilliant work.

Thanks!

My personal favorite was the fact that Iyesta was never the right color in there...except maybe once.

Oh...and entries 58-60 and 81-83 kinda hurt my head. It took me a while to figure out exactly what was meant there...and where the mistaks were made. But, I think I captured the true intent of those sections...I think.
#12

ferratus

Aug 22, 2003 17:04:27
Just one note, Are you sure "House Magus" is an error? See, the members of House Mystic are the magic users in Silvanesti. However, Mystic is now a spellcasting class, and a divine one to boot. I would think that such a retcon would be necessary to avoid confusion.
#13

jonesy

Aug 22, 2003 17:14:06
Originally posted by Brimstone
They are? Who are they? I've never actually known (or completely glossed over) who ran the enworld.org site.

I don't know whether Morrus or Eric Noah frequent the Wizards boards, but that wasn't what I meant either.

I was talking about those ENworld boards members who are also regulars here and might submit news scoops to EN. And there's a lot of those.
#14

zombiegleemax

Aug 22, 2003 17:41:56
I'm one of those enworld guys as well. So is Talinthas. We're "competing" over the right to claim the title as the "Biggest ENWorld forums Dragonlance pimp" ;).
#15

talinthas

Aug 22, 2003 19:36:14
and currently i'm winning ;)
#16

rosisha

Aug 22, 2003 20:37:02
So can you hook me up with some DragonLance campaign insider info? You know, pimp the fans!

Rosisha, crusing the Red Robe section of the boards! LOLOL
#17

talinthas

Aug 22, 2003 21:26:50
what is there to know that hasnt already been talked about? =)
ask so that i may serve better =)
#18

zombiegleemax

Aug 23, 2003 0:27:14
Holy Lord, I just picked my copy up tonight. I cannot believe the amount of grammatical that in this book. Simply reading through this book should have been enough to pick them up.


Also correction 64 should not be elf to human. She was in elf form. And technically it should read dragon.
#19

zombiegleemax

Aug 23, 2003 1:29:36
HAVEN????????

I mean, is it just me (not that it couldn't be, of course) or did they just forget to put in the most important city in Abanasinia on the map?
They don't even bother telling us anything about Haven, even though, as they state, it is the largest city in Abanasinia................
the latter of course could be attributed to the fact that facts about the city might be included in the age of mortals book, but leaving out the city on the map is outrageous.

Has something happened to Haven that I ought to know about, since I've only read as far as "Dragons of Summer Flame"?

anyhoo, it bothers me you know, it really does.....

by the by, thx for a great errata, omg wizards need to attend grammar courses............. :D
#20

brimstone

Aug 23, 2003 14:03:26
Originally posted by ferratus
Just one note, Are you sure "House Magus" is an error? See, the members of House Mystic are the magic users in Silvanesti. However, Mystic is now a spellcasting class, and a divine one to boot. I would think that such a retcon would be necessary to avoid confusion.

I wondered that as well.

However, in the Silvanesti write up, it is still called House Mystic (not Magus) so I assumed it was a mistake, not a retcon.

But, as you can see...this is unofficial...just more of something to tide you over until an actual errata for the book is completed by the WotC guys.
#21

brimstone

Aug 23, 2003 14:07:17
Originally posted by Insta_AxE_Toast
Also correction 64 should not be elf to human. She was in elf form. And technically it should read dragon.

Actually, when the dragon Heart to on mortal form, it was the form of a human named Gwynneth, not an elf...at least according to the book, Legend of Huma. And I see what you're saying, it could be changed to dragon...but it says right afterwards in the book, "who is actually a silver dragon named Heart." So the only mistake was calling Gwynneth an elf, not a human...unless one takes LoH as non-canon.
#22

brimstone

Aug 23, 2003 14:16:58
Originally posted by Nuubellniin Droom Avista
I mean, is it just me (not that it couldn't be, of course) or did they just forget to put in the most important city in Abanasinia on the map?
They don't even bother telling us anything about Haven, even though, as they state, it is the largest city in Abanasinia................

anyhoo, it bothers me you know, it really does.....

Well, Haven is mentioned as being the largest city in Abanasinia (under the "Capitol" entry). But, these geographical write ups are very high level in nature (as are the maps) so it needs to be taken with a grain of salt. We'll get the much more information later...in the atlas for sure...and Haven, I can almost guarantee, will probably have a write up in the next Age-like book, the War of the Lance. And what's to know about Haven, really. I mean, the only time it was ever really influential was the century or so just prior to the War of the Lance, before that (and since then) Solace has really been the big name in Abanasinia.
Originally posted by Nuubellniin Droom Avista
by the by, thx for a great errata, omg wizards need to attend grammar courses............. :D

No prob.

Of course, I should point out that very few (if any) of my entries are grammatical in nature. I didn't feel those were necessary for the type of errata I was putting together, which was more concerned with world cohesion than anything else.
#23

zombiegleemax

Aug 23, 2003 14:55:37
Originally posted by Brimstone
I wondered that as well.

However, in the Silvanesti write up, it is still called House Mystic (not Magus) so I assumed it was a mistake, not a retcon.

It is my impression (and only that) that you may want to italicise that entry in a future version. Btw, it was indeed a great work Tobin. Looking forward to the AoM one.
#24

zombiegleemax

Aug 23, 2003 16:08:22
Originally posted by Brimstone
Actually, when the dragon Heart to on mortal form, it was the form of a human named Gwynneth, not an elf...at least according to the book, Legend of Huma. And I see what you're saying, it could be changed to dragon...but it says right afterwards in the book, "who is actually a silver dragon named Heart." So the only mistake was calling Gwynneth an elf, not a human...unless one takes LoH as non-canon.

After reading the part where Huma met Gwynneth it seemed she was half elf. "The silverish hair", "almond-shapes eyes" and "Overall she did not look quite human, and Huma suspected she drew much of her beuaty from elven ancestors."

So I guess we were both wrong hehe

BTW You can find this on page 58(last paragraph) and on page 59(midway down).
#25

akumadaimyo

Aug 23, 2003 16:31:09
Did someone say somethign about Half-ORcs? Dragonlance has NO orcs, thus there can be no half-orcs. A Half-goblin or Half-Hobgoblin would work though.
#26

talinthas

Aug 23, 2003 17:02:07
they meant half ogre, not half orc. but wotc hates dragonlance.

there are no recorded half goblins/hobgobs in DL. AFAIK they only exist in kalamar.
#27

akumadaimyo

Aug 23, 2003 17:32:18
If they hate Dragonlance why are they putting out a 3.5 book?
#28

zombiegleemax

Aug 23, 2003 17:33:04
Just started reading through my copy of the DLCS and noticed that the second clan dwarves are called Daegar. Now I thought this was wrong so I opened up The Covenant of the Forge and sure enough they're called Daergar.

Anyway, this was on page 14 col. 1 par 3. heading.
#29

zombiegleemax

Aug 24, 2003 6:23:28
Ok, something else caught my eye as well. I was reading through the racial descriptions of the elves and came upon the Qualinesti and Silvanesti. The Qualinesti are said to have an average height of just under 5 feet and the Silvanesti average 5 feet. And it also says that the Silvanesti weigh 90-100lbs.

Now granted, I'm only a novel reader and bought the DLCS just for extra reference, but always I thought elves were tall, around 6 feet tall. In Dragons of Autumn Twilight isn't Solostran described to be tall, even for an elf, and was quite an imposing figure? And 90-100lbs? Ok, maybe if they were 5 feet tall, but at 6 feet they'd weigh at least 130lbs don't ya think?

Anyway, maybe I've been mistaken all of these years; let's see that would be 12 years.

Any of you have a take on this?
#30

zombiegleemax

Aug 24, 2003 18:43:29
My take on it was that the only tall elves in Krynn were the aquatic elves, who have been discribed in novels as tall and warrior-like.
#31

brimstone

Aug 25, 2003 9:29:31
Originally posted by Richard Connery
It is my impression (and only that) that you may want to italicise that entry in a future version. Btw, it was indeed a great work Tobin. Looking forward to the AoM one.

Well...I did a little more digging into this and everywhere I looked, it was always called "House Mystic" (even in an earlier callout in the DLCS) except for that one weird obscure reference in DLCS where it's called the "House Magus."

Even the AoM write up on Dalamar says "House Mystic."

So...I don't know...should that be an issue of canon, or be treated as a mis-type in the DLCS?

And thanks...the AoM one is moving right along. I think it's going to hav alot less entries.
#32

brimstone

Aug 25, 2003 9:33:18
Originally posted by Insta_AxE_Toast
So I guess we were both wrong hehe

I think you were more right than me though.

Legend of Huma as far as I could find, never specifically calls Gwynneth an elf, or human.

Dragonlance Adventures calls her a "mortal woman" only.

TotL, Leaves from the Inn of the Last Home, 5th Age SAGA, DLCS all call Gwynneth an elf. And I forgot to check Wings of Fury. But it would seem that majority rules on this one.

I will remove that entry.
#33

brimstone

Aug 25, 2003 9:45:19
Originally posted by TheSlyOne
Just started reading through my copy of the DLCS and noticed that the second clan dwarves are called Daegar.

Yep...I completely missed that one.

Thanks! And because of this catch, I actually caught another one in the AoM that I had missed. Almost all references in the racial write up on dwarves in the DLCS left out the "r" in "Daergar." So, as I double checked the AoM...they got it right (in the Tarn write up) but accidentally called the two dark dwarf clans the Daewar and the Theiwar. Oops! Anyway, thanks!

Usually there are three things in Dragonlance that one must always take with a grain of salt:

The Iconochronos, history, creation, etc.
Dwarven clan names.
...

Hmm...last night when I was thinking about this...I had a third one, but I don't remember it anymore. I suppose one could say the "Timeline" again...but that's not what I was thinking about.
Originally posted by TheSlyOne
Ok, something else caught my eye as well. I was reading through the racial descriptions of the elves and came upon the Qualinesti and Silvanesti. The Qualinesti are said to have an average height of just under 5 feet and the Silvanesti average 5 feet.

Right...this kinda bothered me as well...I didn't see elves as this short. But in 3e...they are. So, I left this one alone.
#34

zombiegleemax

Aug 25, 2003 12:50:07
Short elves... booooo...
Oh well, I'm just a novel reading so I can still picture them as tall.

At 5' tall aren't they just tall afflicted kender? :D