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That's it. I'm buying another copy of the Living Gazeteer.

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#1
zombiegleemax
Aug 27, 2003 9:24:55 Since it looks like Wotc will never hear our requests for an updated Greyhawk sourcebook, I have no choice but to purchase another LGG to preserve what I have of Greyhawk. I rarely buy second copies of anything, but this is one book I want to have for a while; Holian and Mona made sure that it would be the definitive book on Greyhawk for some time. My present copy has already seen a lot of wear (in only 3 1/2 years!). New copy, here I come!
#2
cwslyclgh
Aug 27, 2003 23:10:31 go for it... maybe if enough people buy extra copies of it then WotC will realize that there is a market for Greyhawk products.
#3
zombiegleemax
Aug 28, 2003 1:01:03 I'm not complaining, because I'm a little strapped financially, but I'm very surprised that this wasn't released as a hardcover book.
#4
Gnarley_Woodsman
Aug 28, 2003 8:05:46 I'll do the same. Though mainly because I gave my original copy to my wife, who has begun to run her own Greyhawk campaign!
#5
solaris
Aug 28, 2003 16:20:33 I wonder if you all might be able to clear something up for me.

My impression of Living Greyhawk is that they started with the Greyhawk setting, and then "updated" it with all sorts of things that the characters of all sorts of people I don't know or care about have done, and that this is a continuing process. So it ends up with Bob the Barbarian making drastic changes to the setting.

I do, of course, realize that my impression could be wrong, and that's why I'm here.

If I'm right, then I really want no part of it. I guess this comes partly from a rabid dislike of fan-fiction, and partly from a preference for Greyhawk-as-it-was over Greyhawk-as-some-unknown-group's-homebrew-world.

If I'm wrong, then would someone care to set me straight?
#6
Gnarley_Woodsman
Aug 28, 2003 17:23:10 Nope. Thats pretty much how it works with Living Greyhawk.

However, The Living Greyhawk Gazateer represents Greyhawk as it was just after the last printings of the second edition Greyhawk supplements. It does not reflect any of the "home brew" updates. So as a supplement it in and of itself brings all previously published materials together into one sourcebook. That is worth every penny in my opinion.
#7
solaris
Aug 28, 2003 19:34:36 Wonderful - I might have a look at it then. Thanks.

How much game-mechanical content is there? Is it full of prestige classes, or is it mainly descriptive material?
#8
cwslyclgh
Aug 28, 2003 20:23:36
How much game-mechanical content is there?
none at all beyond the noting of some of the major personages classes and levels, and what each deities offered domains and favored weapons are. if you are looking for PrC's and Feats this is the wrong book for you... if however you want a good background for a campaing setting, then it is wonderful.
#9
zombiegleemax
Aug 29, 2003 15:40:34 My book is old, rusted, almost losting its cover, and was the last book i got! My flanaesss map is cutted in 8 pieces now (thanks to my sweet little brother); yea, i think i need to buy a second copy - the probem is that this book dosent came to my country, i had to buy the store-owner-guy personal copy, and wasnt cheap...

But, if "Holian and Mona made sure that it would be the definitive book on Greyhawk for some time", then, how long will take this 'long time'? My campaing is still in 591 CY, if they come with a book on the 595's or worst, the new century, it will not be easy to adapt... but i cant wait!
#10
Gnarley_Woodsman
Aug 29, 2003 16:49:36
How much game-mechanical content is there? Is it full of prestige classes, or is it mainly descriptive material?

I wish!!!

Cwslyclgh is correct about the content. However, I have found enough info within the "Power Groups" section to come up with ideas for my own home brew PrC's. Basically extropolate the pertinent information. Go to the DMG and use the other PrCs as a guideline to build what you need.

Bottom line. All the "crunchiness" you need is already in your head. You know what you want to accomplish in your campaign. I can't tell you how many times I've been dissappointed with the PrCs presented in the builders books. I just started coming up with my own. I think home brew suits your individual gaming style better anyway. Just talk it over with the other players in the group, and see if the idea clicks...if not take suggestions.

Good gaming!
#11
Gnarley_Woodsman
Aug 29, 2003 17:01:36
if they come with a book on the 595's or worst, the new century, it will not be easy to adapt... but i cant wait!

Sorry, but as much as I hat to admit it, I dont think were are going to see anything. At least not another sourcebook like the LGG. Though many of us on the boards are practically screaming for something along the lines of the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting (FRCS) book to be released for Greyhawk. Though most of us agree that since we are a minority amongst WoTCs gaming customers that it won't happen.

IIRC the Living Greyhawk updates are listed in the "Living Greyhaw Journal." Published in Polyhedron Magazine, which is now bundeled with Dungeon. They have almost come to a stand still. Which is also depressing.
#12
zombiegleemax
Sep 01, 2003 9:50:04 The only new GH stuff out there is the LG regional gaz material that some have produced.

Over here in Onnwal (UK region) our triad have put out a fantastic book 116 pages long. Some will scream that it doesn't count but if all the regions material is as good as ours then its worth searching them out on their respective websites IMHO.

(dons asbestos suit in preparation for flamestrikes ;) )

LG is altered by players actions, as are all campaign worlds, but generally not by 'Bob the barbarian'. Usually the outcomes of the various scenarios are tallied after they are run and the most popular outcome is taken to be what happened should it affect anything in the region or world.

Its not perfect if you had a different result but is about the best reasonable option IMHO.
#13
zombiegleemax
Sep 01, 2003 17:02:22 Hey, I don't play LGH, but from perusing Triads' websites, I'd say that the Onnwal Triad does an extraordinary job. I liked Perrenland too. What other Triads' websites or modules do folks like?
#14
Gnarley_Woodsman
Sep 01, 2003 17:41:58 My absolute favorite is the Living Geoff website. I have been a huge fan of the Giants/Drow modules forever, and this region is based on those events. It also expands on the Against the Giants: The Liberation of Geoff supplement which again I fell in love with. It's my favorite D&D campaign covered in depth. I really enjoy the roleplaying tidbits that come from subscribing to the Yahoo Groups newsletter aswell. These people really are passionate about thier setting.

In general I find the LG sites a great repository of Greyhawk info, and ideas for ongoing campaigns.
#15
Halberkill
Sep 02, 2003 16:29:53 The one thing I can't stand about the Living Geoff site is that they changed the name of the country...Gryuff. That and they are a bit too much into making it into a celtic land rather than a celtic influenced land.

Halber
#16
zombiegleemax
Sep 02, 2003 16:39:37 If any of you have links to these sites, please post them.

I'm sure I'm not the only one interested in perusing them.
#17
Gnarley_Woodsman
Sep 02, 2003 16:57:55 Most regions have sites.

Click Here for the list of North American sites.

Like I said I find them to be a great resource.

The one thing I can't stand about the Living Geoff site is that they changed the name of the country...Gryuff. That and they are a bit too much into making it into a celtic land rather than a celtic influenced land.

I actually always thought of the Duchy as somewhat Irish. Even before living Greyhawk.

I actually like it quite a bit. But I will point out that the language is thier (the Geoff Triads) take on the Flan Lexicon. It's quite interesting once you've joind thier Yahoo group and read the variaous meta-game documents explaining it.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Aug 27, 2003 9:24:55	Since it looks like Wotc will never hear our requests for an updated Greyhawk sourcebook, I have no choice but to purchase another LGG to preserve what I have of Greyhawk. I rarely buy second copies of anything, but this is one book I want to have for a while; Holian and Mona made sure that it would be the definitive book on Greyhawk for some time. My present copy has already seen a lot of wear (in only 3 1/2 years!). New copy, here I come!
#2 cwslyclgh Aug 27, 2003 23:10:31	go for it... maybe if enough people buy extra copies of it then WotC will realize that there is a market for Greyhawk products.
#3 zombiegleemax Aug 28, 2003 1:01:03	I'm not complaining, because I'm a little strapped financially, but I'm very surprised that this wasn't released as a hardcover book.
#4 Gnarley_Woodsman Aug 28, 2003 8:05:46	I'll do the same. Though mainly because I gave my original copy to my wife, who has begun to run her own Greyhawk campaign!
#5 solaris Aug 28, 2003 16:20:33	I wonder if you all might be able to clear something up for me. My impression of Living Greyhawk is that they started with the Greyhawk setting, and then "updated" it with all sorts of things that the characters of all sorts of people I don't know or care about have done, and that this is a continuing process. So it ends up with Bob the Barbarian making drastic changes to the setting. I do, of course, realize that my impression could be wrong, and that's why I'm here. If I'm right, then I really want no part of it. I guess this comes partly from a rabid dislike of fan-fiction, and partly from a preference for Greyhawk-as-it-was over Greyhawk-as-some-unknown-group's-homebrew-world. If I'm wrong, then would someone care to set me straight?
#6 Gnarley_Woodsman Aug 28, 2003 17:23:10	Nope. Thats pretty much how it works with Living Greyhawk. However, The Living Greyhawk Gazateer represents Greyhawk as it was just after the last printings of the second edition Greyhawk supplements. It does not reflect any of the "home brew" updates. So as a supplement it in and of itself brings all previously published materials together into one sourcebook. That is worth every penny in my opinion.
#7 solaris Aug 28, 2003 19:34:36	Wonderful - I might have a look at it then. Thanks. How much game-mechanical content is there? Is it full of prestige classes, or is it mainly descriptive material?
#8 cwslyclgh Aug 28, 2003 20:23:36	How much game-mechanical content is there? none at all beyond the noting of some of the major personages classes and levels, and what each deities offered domains and favored weapons are. if you are looking for PrC's and Feats this is the wrong book for you... if however you want a good background for a campaing setting, then it is wonderful.
#9 zombiegleemax Aug 29, 2003 15:40:34	My book is old, rusted, almost losting its cover, and was the last book i got! My flanaesss map is cutted in 8 pieces now (thanks to my sweet little brother); yea, i think i need to buy a second copy - the probem is that this book dosent came to my country, i had to buy the store-owner-guy personal copy, and wasnt cheap... But, if "Holian and Mona made sure that it would be the definitive book on Greyhawk for some time", then, how long will take this 'long time'? My campaing is still in 591 CY, if they come with a book on the 595's or worst, the new century, it will not be easy to adapt... but i cant wait!
#10 Gnarley_Woodsman Aug 29, 2003 16:49:36	How much game-mechanical content is there? Is it full of prestige classes, or is it mainly descriptive material? I wish!!! Cwslyclgh is correct about the content. However, I have found enough info within the "Power Groups" section to come up with ideas for my own home brew PrC's. Basically extropolate the pertinent information. Go to the DMG and use the other PrCs as a guideline to build what you need. Bottom line. All the "crunchiness" you need is already in your head. You know what you want to accomplish in your campaign. I can't tell you how many times I've been dissappointed with the PrCs presented in the builders books. I just started coming up with my own. I think home brew suits your individual gaming style better anyway. Just talk it over with the other players in the group, and see if the idea clicks...if not take suggestions. Good gaming!
#11 Gnarley_Woodsman Aug 29, 2003 17:01:36	if they come with a book on the 595's or worst, the new century, it will not be easy to adapt... but i cant wait! Sorry, but as much as I hat to admit it, I dont think were are going to see anything. At least not another sourcebook like the LGG. Though many of us on the boards are practically screaming for something along the lines of the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting (FRCS) book to be released for Greyhawk. Though most of us agree that since we are a minority amongst WoTCs gaming customers that it won't happen. IIRC the Living Greyhawk updates are listed in the "Living Greyhaw Journal." Published in Polyhedron Magazine, which is now bundeled with Dungeon. They have almost come to a stand still. Which is also depressing.
#12 zombiegleemax Sep 01, 2003 9:50:04	The only new GH stuff out there is the LG regional gaz material that some have produced. Over here in Onnwal (UK region) our triad have put out a fantastic book 116 pages long. Some will scream that it doesn't count but if all the regions material is as good as ours then its worth searching them out on their respective websites IMHO. (dons asbestos suit in preparation for flamestrikes ;) ) LG is altered by players actions, as are all campaign worlds, but generally not by 'Bob the barbarian'. Usually the outcomes of the various scenarios are tallied after they are run and the most popular outcome is taken to be what happened should it affect anything in the region or world. Its not perfect if you had a different result but is about the best reasonable option IMHO.
#13 zombiegleemax Sep 01, 2003 17:02:22	Hey, I don't play LGH, but from perusing Triads' websites, I'd say that the Onnwal Triad does an extraordinary job. I liked Perrenland too. What other Triads' websites or modules do folks like?
#14 Gnarley_Woodsman Sep 01, 2003 17:41:58	My absolute favorite is the Living Geoff website. I have been a huge fan of the Giants/Drow modules forever, and this region is based on those events. It also expands on the Against the Giants: The Liberation of Geoff supplement which again I fell in love with. It's my favorite D&D campaign covered in depth. I really enjoy the roleplaying tidbits that come from subscribing to the Yahoo Groups newsletter aswell. These people really are passionate about thier setting. In general I find the LG sites a great repository of Greyhawk info, and ideas for ongoing campaigns.
#15 Halberkill Sep 02, 2003 16:29:53	The one thing I can't stand about the Living Geoff site is that they changed the name of the country...Gryuff. That and they are a bit too much into making it into a celtic land rather than a celtic influenced land. Halber
#16 zombiegleemax Sep 02, 2003 16:39:37	If any of you have links to these sites, please post them. I'm sure I'm not the only one interested in perusing them.
#17 Gnarley_Woodsman Sep 02, 2003 16:57:55	Most regions have sites. Click Here for the list of North American sites. Like I said I find them to be a great resource. The one thing I can't stand about the Living Geoff site is that they changed the name of the country...Gryuff. That and they are a bit too much into making it into a celtic land rather than a celtic influenced land. I actually always thought of the Duchy as somewhat Irish. Even before living Greyhawk. I actually like it quite a bit. But I will point out that the language is thier (the Geoff Triads) take on the Flan Lexicon. It's quite interesting once you've joind thier Yahoo group and read the variaous meta-game documents explaining it.