Originally posted by shiro neko
Ahh man! what if you don't want to buy Modern!?! Huh, just make up my own classes.
Here ya go!
d20 Modern SRD :D
I'll have to read this and see how the combat system works. Really like the Palladium system, is this different or close.
Hi, Reg. Long time no post.
hmm, this Modern d20 might not be so bad either. Play by email Gamma World?
Promise to put in lots of ringy-thingys
Originally posted by sad_raven
there's an ad in the current Dragon magazine that says Gamma World is compatible with 3.5 mechanics, which could be taken as saying that if you have the corebooks for DnD 3.5, you don't need the d20 Modern book. i have the srd for d20 Modern, but i would rather be able to use my DnD core books for Gamma World. i guess what i'm really asking is "Is there anything that Gamma World will use that is found in the d20 Modern book that is not found in the DnD 3.5 books?"
I've heard there will be an appendix in the PHB that will provide conversions for GW4 classes (Enforcer, scout, esper, examiner) using the D&D rules.
Either way, as long as you have any core D20 rulebook you shouldn't have any problems running GW and the D20Modern SRD should fill in any holes that aren't covered by D&D, such as the wealth system. Basically, the only things not in the SRD are character creation and levelling up details.
http://www.scarredlands.com/swordsorcery/press/GammaWorld.html
That is not the only IP Wizards have licensed out: Ravenloft to White Wolf/Arthaus and Dragonlance to Sovereign Press.
Now if I just had a gaming group to send to Gamma World.:D :D
http://www.geocities.com/tormento_khan/d20_gamma_world/gammaworld20.html
I have a review of the game at my website; I've also posted the same review to RPG.Net. My review won't be posted until next week probably.
The game can be played with just the v.3.5 D20 SRD, the D20 Modern SRD, the D&D core rulebooks, or D20 Modern. You might find it advantageous to have the actual D20 Modern book, as a few things are in that book that were omitted from the SRD. Look for a used copy on Half.Com or Amazon.Com; that's where I done gotted my copy. :D
I highly recommend the game by the way; it's sweeeet. Lots more options for players than previous editions, lots deeper and darker game background, lots of ideas for GMs.
The art is rubbish.
There is not a lot in the Players Handbook. I'm used to more in my Gamma World stuff. I don't want to go get the d20 Modern rules. I'm not impressed.
But not all the books are out yet, and you never know, d20 Modern might be good. I'll reserve judgement till I get all the stuff and play it.
But I'm
at the moment.Originally posted by Lissa
I need more mutations for my PCs. Can we develope sentient plants yet?
Don't get me started......... I'm hoping that they'll bring out a Plant Book or something. But I don't think we should hold our breath.
But I seem to be the only one here who is not happy with these rules. I do like the way the Mutations are layed out. I also like the way the game source material is done. So it's not all bad.
Originally posted by Lissa
Now if I just had a gaming group to send to Gamma World.
If I get to use an updated version of my v2 character, I'll join. ;)
must say I'm dissapointed with the New Gamma World. You can be a Synthetic! What's the point in that? Since when have Living Metal been the friends of Humanity? No Sentiant Plant character Genotype!
What's the point in being a mutant plant?
We gain one genotype, lose one, net loss of zero.
If you need to play a plant:
(1). pick out any number of sentient plants in other D20 products, like the Needlefolk in Monster Manual 2, and add mutations.
(2). Go to my webpage:
http://www.geocities.com/tormento_khan/d20_gamma_world/gammaworld20.html
where I have a mutant plant genotype.
(3). Make up a plant genotype, like I did; enjoy creating.
The art is rubbish.
Not everyone thinks so. But sorry you don't care for it.
There is not a lot in the Players Handbook. I'm used to more in my Gamma World stuff. I don't want to go get the d20 Modern rules. I'm not impressed.
Then don't. You should be able to play just as well with the D&D rules.
But not all the books are out yet, and you never know, d20 Modern might be good. I'll reserve judgement till I get all the stuff and play it.
I just got Machines and Mutants, and there are lots of Advanced Classes, Templates, and, uh, mutant creatures and robotic machines to fight. his book does explain some of the oddities about the Gamma World 'types' and such errata.
I too miss the old days when $15.00 was all you'd need to shell out for more game than you could ever use.
Some of us still have friends who refuse to touch D20 D&D books, of either edition, because they're perfectly happy with old-school AD&D, and don't care to go to all the trouble of switching. They looked through all my D&D books for v.3.0 and v.3.5 and made an informed decision. More power to them, but they didn't have to buy all three core rulebooks before they came to that conclusion; if I were you, I sure wouldn't!
And this is not 1990. It sucks but the business have got to do what it takes to stay in business, and so far Wizards drastically cut down their employee roster just to get by. Besides, they're not making Magic: The Gathering to support Wizards' RPG division. Each divisions got to make their own revenue and profit.
Anyone who can make a $15 product is either a limited run, or a very thin book.
Originally posted by Acererak
Most likely not. AFAIK Sword & Sorcery has no plans to publish any adventures at all - conversions of past material included.
Well that's dissapointing. There were some
games in there.and the only games that have been cranking out diffrent settings are the universal ones like d20 and gurps.
do they still make shadow run or has it completly gone underground like marvel MSH (classic)
they need to rehash some of the old games for the masses
Originally posted by WINTERINSUMMER
it seems (to me atleast) that dnd is now completly stuck in the middle ages, especially in western europe and some of the orient
Well, yeah. D&D has always been about medieval fantasy modeled loosely on western European culture(s).
do they still make shadow run or has it completly gone underground like marvel MSH (classic)
Before FASA folded they sold the rights to Shadowrun to Wizkids Games, when then gave FanPro the rights to publish Shadowrun. The official SR site is at: http://www.shadowrunrpg.com/
they need to rehash some of the old games for the masses
Yeah. Like Star Frontiers. ;)
Originally posted by WINTERINSUMMER
it seems (to me atleast) that dnd is now completly stuck in the middle ages, especially in western europe and some of the orient
and the only games that have been cranking out diffrent settings are the universal ones like d20 and gurps.
do they still make shadow run or has it completly gone underground like marvel MSH (classic)
they need to rehash some of the old games for the masses
I completely agree with you about Star Frontiers. It seemed like a well thought out game. Not quite as advanced as Traveller, but still a decent game, nonetheless.
In this modern age it seems a shame to not at least publish pdf files of the old games, modules, and suppliments.
I did see some place that sells them for a reasonable price though.
Also, isn't there something about converting old material to the D20 rules? I forget exactly what and where I saw that info.
Not that it should be hard for any of us.
Oh, and the magazines, certainly getting those preserved on CD/DVD would be really great.
I like the new GW book a lot. it's really great and I am eager to starte a new campaign in this "Fallout"-like world.
it'S pretty cool
Talamar
book make-up; front portion d20 modern version, character makeup middle portion, and DnD3.5 version in last section.
I can barely express how pleased to hear that. I have every single version of Gamma World and Metamorphosis Alpha, except the newest version of GW (I will very soon have more than just the Machines and Mutants).
It has been interesting to see how the game has 'evolved' over time. I have liked some of the changes, disliked others, and am still waiting to see something very simple that I added to my 'world' well over a decade ago. (I am so tempted to get a domain name and help preserve some of the great ideas I have seen come and go, any one interested in having a place to put your ideas, without using those annoying 'free' sites, just let me know)
Any way, I look forward to getting my hands on all the new books, and adventures. I have been out of gaming for a number of years and missed the whole d20 thing. I really like the idea since there are many things that are universal among all games, and expecting everyone to learn new rules for each game was always a bit much.
Does anyone know where I can get more information about the differences between d20 modern and d20 future?
I think d20 modern and d20 future is almost the same, since the most future settings are running on d20M, but give some more rules for special things (like Starships in Star Wars or so)
D20 modern covers everything from early renaissance into late cyberpunk and can support magic, high technology, and psionics or can go without them if you so choose. D20 Futures is supposed to pick up in late cyberpunk and stretch into the farfuture genres and also cover magics and psionics if you want it to. it should be able to cover everything from star wars, to star trek, all the way to traveler, dune, Foundation, and Paradise Lost.
Gammaworld is a campaign setting, based on the D20 Modern Rules, which fully fleshes out an entire world to plug the rules into.
I know D20 Future isn't out yet. I just thought it would be better suited to games like Gamma World, Metamorphosis Alpha, Traveller, and the like.
Do you know where I can find a preliminary version of the rules to get a better idea of what will be added/improved upon from the modern rules?
Thanks
I never heard about D20 Future before
Oh, don't feel too bad. Most of the people I know are wrong, some most of the time. hahaha (sad but true)
I only heard of D20 Future about a month ago.
In any event, I would like to think that the D20 system will make moving characters to other realities easier. Transporting high tech characters to a fantasy setting would be really interesting.
Think of a mis-jump in Traveller sending a group to a fantasy world. I can see a battle now between a character with battle dress and an FGMP-15 and either a horde of orcs, or even a wizard with a wand of fireballs. Oh yes, that would be quite a sight to behold.
The possibilities are nearly endless.
I think so. Having the ship arrive in the solar system and the obvious attempts to locate where they are in the galaxy, followed by mapping the star system to refuel the ship and locating a habitable planet would be somewhat expected. Then landing and finding the world is low tech where people speak a different language might seem a bit odd. It could take a while to learn they aren't where they think they are. I would think arriving in a village or town that is a few days to a week from being overun with a small army of orcs, goblins, kobolds or the like would give some interesting reactions from the crew. Defending the village with high tech vehicles, weapons, and equipment would be a nice added touch.
It has some potential.
Landing on Gamma Terra or ending up in range of the starship Warden has some rather interesting possibilities also.
Originally posted by HyperactiveBuffalo
d20 future actually isnt out yet, it will be a new core book in the exact same vein as d20 modern.
No, it will be a supplement to the d20 Modern line. After all, why repeat the core rules when it is already in the d20 Modern Core Rulebook? The advantage to that is more pages devoted to new and additional material that focuses on science fiction and futuristic settings elements that uses the d20 Modern ruleset.
BTW, d20 Future wasn't official until a couple of weeks ago. Somebody from Wizards slipped the information out by mistake about a year ago. But here it is (to be released August 2004):
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=products/d20m/885970000
I like the idea of a d20M "add-on" more than getting whole new rules again, especially in this case where I think that most standard rules of d20M are absolutely fitting for every futuristic game.
Oh BTW
does anybody knows a good ressources site on the web about Gamma World d20? (except the wizards site)
Originally posted by Lord Talamar
ah that's pretty cool
I like the idea of a d20M "add-on" more than getting whole new rules again, especially in this case where I think that most standard rules of d20M are absolutely fitting for every futuristic game.
Well, personally, the d20 Modern ruleset would be a better rules foundation for futuristic games than D&D ruleset. But I'm sure if certain rules tweak is needed, it will be in the d20 Future.
Remember, folks, they're going to attempt to put in a lot of sci-fi elements, from fantastical (equivalent to Star Wars) to soft (equivalent to Star Trek) to hard (equivalent to Herbert's novel Dune) science fiction. Good luck.
I wrote sth wrong
didn't want to say wizards in my last post but S&S
okay I know that S&S is making GW (I did a review of the OHB and the m&m for our website www.dnd-gate.de, but beware it's a german D&D site)
I just wanted to know if someone has some other ressources on the web for GW instead of the S&S site?
Need to advertise. Have said it a thousand times.
I was, formerly, a wizards of the coast retail employee. All of the Wizards of the Coast, and Gamekeeper stores have closed down. The close was not due to bad advertisment, or poor sales, or any other reason. Wizards of the coast was purchased by Hasbro Inc., Hasbro never wanted to have a retail division as it is a conflict of interests for them. The stores were closed as a high level decision by hasbro, though they had good sales the year prior.
Why did they buy it in the first place? To get rid of competition? Are they satisfied by the sales without advertising?
these are my opinions, and mine alone, I make them with no association to any persons or groups:
I am of the opinion that Hasbro incorporated purchased Wizards of the coast, with the intention of gaining a number of properties which Wizards had acquired which it considered valuable. among these were Dungeons and Dragons, Forgotten Realms, Star Wars, Everything that TSR still had rights to, etc. etc. etc. the purchase was made with intention of continuing down the RPG line, as well as expanding into other areas such as video games, movies, toys, and other varieties of games. the marketing duo immediately released group efforts such as "Dungeons and Dragons Clue", while vastly extending their reach into the interactive realm with the Neverwinter Nights games, etc.
Furthurmore, it is my opinion that the closing of the retail division of the company has not negatively affected business for the company as a whole. sales seem to be up, and every day we are hearing about new books. you must also consider the fact that WoTC stores were never the -only- source of advertising for these games. Recently, I have seen ads in PCGamer, Nintendo Power, Dungeon, Dragon, and a number of other sources. I have also seen advertisements in stores such as Hot Topic, and even Walmart. Combined with the "mom and pop" shops that dot americas landscape, I dont see the company as being particularly lacking in the advertisement field.
I am not suggesting advertising during the superbowl, but a quick 20 to 30 second spot showing the product and a website address would be enough on cartoon networks!!!!!!!!!
I disagree that it's an embarrassing niche market. There is that opinion and impression out there, I agree.
Oh well, I don't hear anyone else but me talking about mainstream TV advertising, so I guess I will drop it.
It would hve been a great idea!!
Gurps has appeared in an episode of the X Files...
but yeah, limited overall.
Originally posted by HyperactiveBuffalo
Vampire the Masquerade had a television series based off of it.
Albeit short-lived. Then they released it as a VHS collection with unaired episodes. Don't know if they have done a DVD version. Been looking for it.
Werewolf the Apocalypse had a videogame for the Nintendo based off of it. Hunter the Reckoning, and Vampire the Masquerade both have games based off of them. Hunter has the Xbox/Gamecube/Ps2 series, and Vampire has 1 game already released on computer, and another coming shortly. Shadowrun has... 2 games based off it currently, and rumors of a 3rd coming for computer, and has been credited as the inspiration for 3 movies, 1 of them being Johnny Neumonic(splng?)
Many pen-n-paper RPGs have easily crossed over to CRPG.
Gurps has appeared in an episode of the X Files...
Do you know what episode was it and what season?
the fact that everyone had Protean 3 bugged me though.
the fact that everyone had Protean 3 bugged me though.
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it was season 2, was about a kid who was a pyro. the kid was reading one of the books when mulder came to question him.
Gamma World is a stand alone game, which uses a highly customized version of the d20 modern ruleset. it can be played 'out of the box', which means that if you buy the gamma world core book it gives you absolutely everything you need to play it. its version of the d20 ruleset is customized for the setting. The game is produced by White Wolf Publishing, via their own "Sword and Sorcery Studios". More information can be found Here
D20 Modern, which is produced by Wizards of the Coast is a completely different product that just happens to be where the other product gets the vast majority of its rules from.
Originally posted by HyperactiveBuffalo
Gamma World is not a D20 Modern product.
More information can be found Here
Based on the web page, it's a d20 product that requires the use of d20 Modern. But in case you don't have that core rulebook, if you only have PHB, there is an appendix for proper conversion.
Many would argue that this is a d20 Modern product, as Scarred Lands and Ravenloft are d20 products.
Does anyone else have an opinion on this subject?
This is not to say, Gamma World needs the help, just a thought.
Originally posted by HyperactiveBuffalo
I was incorrect apparently, it does require the full rules, but what I meant by 'it is not a d20 modern product' is that it is not by wizards of the coast.
No, but WotC still owned the IP.
They just grant Sword & Sorcery the license to publish.
I still need to find a gaming group to GM for. but I should have an interesting campaign setting ready to go when I do.:D
This should be fun.