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#1
1bent1
Sep 07, 2003 23:15:13 Has there ever been a supplement of what can occur if a person is injured in the area around the pritine tower? or is a kind of event that is left up entirely to DM discretion with out any kind of presedence or guidnce? If so is there any idea of the changes that could occur? i know it plays a part in the concept of the new racres but i was wondering how much does it affect a person.
#2
Ryltar_Swordsong
Sep 07, 2003 23:39:12 Nothing official.
#3
flip
Sep 08, 2003 18:03:04
Originally posted by Ryltar Swordsong
Nothing official.

And quite possibly won't be anything codified.

The correct answer is: Anything your little DM heart requires.

The reason for this: It's supposed to be random changes. However, they're random changes of a varying magnitude. However, it's exceedingly counter to 3e to randomly tack on some LA +/- 3 (or higher!) adjustments to your character in a situation under which you haven NO control.

So, while there may be something with ideas to use, don't go expecting random charts of templates to add. Really, it's going to be something that's up to your DM.
#4
zombiegleemax
Sep 10, 2003 13:10:58
Originally posted by 1bent1
Has there ever been a supplement of what can occur if a person is injured in the area around the pritine tower? or is a kind of event that is left up entirely to DM discretion with out any kind of presedence or guidnce? If so is there any idea of the changes that could occur? i know it plays a part in the concept of the new racres but i was wondering how much does it affect a person.

There is info on the Pristine Tower and said effects in the unpublished adventure Dregoth Ascending. I would ask the Athas.org crew if/when that will ever see light.

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AnOldGamer
#5
roman
Sep 10, 2003 14:18:11
Originally posted by AnOldGamer
There is info on the Pristine Tower and said effects in the unpublished adventure Dregoth Ascending. I would ask the Athas.org crew if/when that will ever see light.

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AnOldGamer

Ok, Athas crew: Will it ever see the light? :D
#6
zombiegleemax
Sep 10, 2003 16:21:17 What was last said about it was that its waiting till the DS epic stuff is fleshed out more (i.e. advanced beings and such). Since we've not even been given a sneak peak at anything for advanced beings, one can only assume that either its being worked on in secret or it hasn't been worked out well enough yet to post anything relevant about. Hence, the adventure ay very well be shelved for some time. Of course, this is pure speculation by a total nitwit, so take it as you will.
#7
jihun-nish
Dec 16, 2003 17:34:35 Speaking of the Mighty Pristine tower, is there a demand out there for a detailed Pristine Tower source book( with interior/exterior maps ) And If so!! What would you like to see inside this book??

As a reminder: the Rhulisti created the tower but Rajaat change the aspect of the tower for his own needs!! So Rhulisti *remains* shouldn't be available anywhere.(unless the said tower is much bigger(deeper then we know it.
#8
dawnstealer
Dec 16, 2003 17:59:38 Here's what I do: Roll a percentage die. If it comes up 1-60%, then something bad will happen. If it comes up higher, it's a good mutation. Be creative.

Why the offset? Because most mutations are not beneficial. Also, it's Athas.
#9
jon_oracle_of_athas
Dec 17, 2003 11:16:12 Dregoth Ascending will see the light of day after the DS epic rules are established.
#10
zombiegleemax
Dec 19, 2003 11:53:56
Originally posted by Jihun-Nish
Speaking of the Mighty Pristine tower, is there a demand out there for a detailed Pristine Tower source book( with interior/exterior maps ) And If so!! What would you like to see inside this book??

The Pristine Tower was detailed in Dregoth Ascending; its interior was derived directly from what Troy wrote of it in his last DS novel. I'm sure there was some embellishment on the designer's part, but from what I remember the climax of DA took place in or at the Pristine Tower.

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AnOldGamer
#11
zombiegleemax
Dec 19, 2003 15:09:52 The book of Vile Darkness gives some related feats called Willing Deformity. I've been using them as a basis for what happens at the tower.

I changed the names to Spawn of the Tower, created a few more (like one that hardens the skin, ala that elf windisnger dude in the Amber Enchantress). Also, I don't use Vile as a type of feat in DS. Spawn of the Tower is general, and requirements are wounded at the Tower.
If a character is wounded and fails a fort save DC 25, he/she loses the most recently chosen feat and instead gains the Spawn of the Tower feat. I don't roll randomly, and instead choose one appropriate to the character
#12
zombiegleemax
Dec 19, 2003 15:13:26 Sorry, didn't finish writing above (damn itchy clickin' finger)

I've been toying with an ECL +1 template called Tower Spawn that is only gained when a character has three or more mutations.

This system has the advantage of balance (the feats in BVD are well balanced).

It has the disadvantage of allowing the dort of random changes frowned upon in 3e (for good reason). I think if done right, and if we allow some way to cure the mutation, the system will not have the disadvantages associated with said randomness.
#13
zombiegleemax
Jan 01, 2004 19:12:17 My understanding, the mutations were to benefit the character. It would be up to the DM on how to twist this. Examples I remember seeing was -

Dieing of thirst...become a tree with deep roots. Roll up a new character

Dieing from bloodloss- Develop hard chitious clots. Gain +1/5 DR but look like the elephant man after a few rough battles.

It was like the spell "wish" in >2 editions. It was up to the DM is do as he will within a limit of given rules.
#14
zombiegleemax
Jan 14, 2004 13:01:22 I always imagined that the Wanderer's lizard arm was fron having it injured near the Tower.

We had an NPC grow feathers once.
#15
zombiegleemax
Jan 15, 2004 7:29:39 In my Campaign, Rajaat when released from his confinement "called" the Pristine tower to him in Ur Draxa. It is no longer in the Rocky plains near the Ivory Triangle. He called it to utilize it's powers and also the Denizens within. He was weakened by his imprisoning and yet still was able to do the damage to the SK's. it was never reopened. The Tower's effects remained in the old area, and also took most with it.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 1bent1 Sep 07, 2003 23:15:13	Has there ever been a supplement of what can occur if a person is injured in the area around the pritine tower? or is a kind of event that is left up entirely to DM discretion with out any kind of presedence or guidnce? If so is there any idea of the changes that could occur? i know it plays a part in the concept of the new racres but i was wondering how much does it affect a person.
#2 Ryltar_Swordsong Sep 07, 2003 23:39:12	Nothing official.
#3 flip Sep 08, 2003 18:03:04	Originally posted by Ryltar Swordsong Nothing official. And quite possibly won't be anything codified. The correct answer is: Anything your little DM heart requires. The reason for this: It's supposed to be random changes. However, they're random changes of a varying magnitude. However, it's exceedingly counter to 3e to randomly tack on some LA +/- 3 (or higher!) adjustments to your character in a situation under which you haven NO control. So, while there may be something with ideas to use, don't go expecting random charts of templates to add. Really, it's going to be something that's up to your DM.
#4 zombiegleemax Sep 10, 2003 13:10:58	Originally posted by 1bent1 Has there ever been a supplement of what can occur if a person is injured in the area around the pritine tower? or is a kind of event that is left up entirely to DM discretion with out any kind of presedence or guidnce? If so is there any idea of the changes that could occur? i know it plays a part in the concept of the new racres but i was wondering how much does it affect a person. There is info on the Pristine Tower and said effects in the unpublished adventure Dregoth Ascending. I would ask the Athas.org crew if/when that will ever see light. ------------------ AnOldGamer
#5 roman Sep 10, 2003 14:18:11	Originally posted by AnOldGamer There is info on the Pristine Tower and said effects in the unpublished adventure Dregoth Ascending. I would ask the Athas.org crew if/when that will ever see light. ------------------ AnOldGamer Ok, Athas crew: Will it ever see the light? :D
#6 zombiegleemax Sep 10, 2003 16:21:17	What was last said about it was that its waiting till the DS epic stuff is fleshed out more (i.e. advanced beings and such). Since we've not even been given a sneak peak at anything for advanced beings, one can only assume that either its being worked on in secret or it hasn't been worked out well enough yet to post anything relevant about. Hence, the adventure ay very well be shelved for some time. Of course, this is pure speculation by a total nitwit, so take it as you will.
#7 jihun-nish Dec 16, 2003 17:34:35	Speaking of the Mighty Pristine tower, is there a demand out there for a detailed Pristine Tower source book( with interior/exterior maps ) And If so!! What would you like to see inside this book?? As a reminder: the Rhulisti created the tower but Rajaat change the aspect of the tower for his own needs!! So Rhulisti remains shouldn't be available anywhere.(unless the said tower is much bigger(deeper then we know it.
#8 dawnstealer Dec 16, 2003 17:59:38	Here's what I do: Roll a percentage die. If it comes up 1-60%, then something bad will happen. If it comes up higher, it's a good mutation. Be creative. Why the offset? Because most mutations are not beneficial. Also, it's Athas.
#9 jon_oracle_of_athas Dec 17, 2003 11:16:12	Dregoth Ascending will see the light of day after the DS epic rules are established.
#10 zombiegleemax Dec 19, 2003 11:53:56	Originally posted by Jihun-Nish Speaking of the Mighty Pristine tower, is there a demand out there for a detailed Pristine Tower source book( with interior/exterior maps ) And If so!! What would you like to see inside this book?? The Pristine Tower was detailed in Dregoth Ascending; its interior was derived directly from what Troy wrote of it in his last DS novel. I'm sure there was some embellishment on the designer's part, but from what I remember the climax of DA took place in or at the Pristine Tower. ------------------------- AnOldGamer
#11 zombiegleemax Dec 19, 2003 15:09:52	The book of Vile Darkness gives some related feats called Willing Deformity. I've been using them as a basis for what happens at the tower. I changed the names to Spawn of the Tower, created a few more (like one that hardens the skin, ala that elf windisnger dude in the Amber Enchantress). Also, I don't use Vile as a type of feat in DS. Spawn of the Tower is general, and requirements are wounded at the Tower. If a character is wounded and fails a fort save DC 25, he/she loses the most recently chosen feat and instead gains the Spawn of the Tower feat. I don't roll randomly, and instead choose one appropriate to the character
#12 zombiegleemax Dec 19, 2003 15:13:26	Sorry, didn't finish writing above (damn itchy clickin' finger) I've been toying with an ECL +1 template called Tower Spawn that is only gained when a character has three or more mutations. This system has the advantage of balance (the feats in BVD are well balanced). It has the disadvantage of allowing the dort of random changes frowned upon in 3e (for good reason). I think if done right, and if we allow some way to cure the mutation, the system will not have the disadvantages associated with said randomness.
#13 zombiegleemax Jan 01, 2004 19:12:17	My understanding, the mutations were to benefit the character. It would be up to the DM on how to twist this. Examples I remember seeing was - Dieing of thirst...become a tree with deep roots. Roll up a new character Dieing from bloodloss- Develop hard chitious clots. Gain +1/5 DR but look like the elephant man after a few rough battles. It was like the spell "wish" in >2 editions. It was up to the DM is do as he will within a limit of given rules.
#14 zombiegleemax Jan 14, 2004 13:01:22	I always imagined that the Wanderer's lizard arm was fron having it injured near the Tower. We had an NPC grow feathers once.
#15 zombiegleemax Jan 15, 2004 7:29:39	In my Campaign, Rajaat when released from his confinement "called" the Pristine tower to him in Ur Draxa. It is no longer in the Rocky plains near the Ivory Triangle. He called it to utilize it's powers and also the Denizens within. He was weakened by his imprisoning and yet still was able to do the damage to the SK's. it was never reopened. The Tower's effects remained in the old area, and also took most with it.