What is a Lerara? / Elaine Mystica

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#1

zombiegleemax

Sep 08, 2003 5:33:10
I'm running a campaign in and around Irongate. Some Greyhawk material (might have been LGG) mentions that Elaine Mystica (the arch mage of Irongate) is a "lerara"?

Obviously some type of race I never heard of in greyhawk. Can someone fill me in and/or tell me where this term is from?

Also, apparently the old edition stats/article about Elaine Mystica appeared in a Dragon issue ages ago. Anyone got any info to help me create her? I got nothing other than wizard about 18th level.....help.
#2

zombiegleemax

Sep 08, 2003 11:39:49
-Dragon- Issue 241, Vol. XXII, No. 4 ( Legacy of the Suel Imperium. Contains information on the Derro, Lerara, Skulk, Jermlaine, and the Su-Doppleganger. 2nd Edition, but still useful for any ruleset.)

Check that out. I don't have the issue on hand, but that is the only resource for Lerara information that I know of.
#3

faraer

Sep 08, 2003 12:30:17
The Lerara are established in the 1983 boxed set -- see Glossography p. 27.
#4

zombiegleemax

Sep 10, 2003 3:20:05
Thanks very much for those pointers. As it happens I have both lots of material, and you are boths correct. I had the information all along but I just didn't know it was there.

Just goes to show how useful a consolidated Greyhawk hardcover would be to us fans. Can you spell "Pipe-dream"?

Thank you for your replies.
#5

grodog

Sep 10, 2003 19:10:30
The 83 Glassography and the Dragon 241 article are the only two extant canon sources for the Lerara, FYI, unless some of the LG triads have touched upon them.
#6

zombiegleemax

Sep 10, 2003 19:39:58
Yes, thought as much.

Would make for an interesting new race, if it was statted up for dnd 3.5. I might have a look at that. It seems they are an old Suel "tribe" that got stuck in the long underground passage of the Slerotin. Thus they are a kind of Albino underground human race, leaning towards evil.

Based on the info in Dragon 241 they might look something like this:

As human but:
+2 str, -2 con
darkvision 60 feet
remove 1st level bonus feat
favoured class: barbarian or fighter

favouring neutral, or neutral evil

Anyway, thanks for the info.
#7

Halberkill

Sep 11, 2003 11:50:15
Originally posted by grodog
The 83 Glassography and the Dragon 241 article are the only two extant canon sources for the Lerara, FYI, unless some of the LG triads have touched upon them.

I'm suprised Grodog, you missed where Elaine Mystica originally appeared. She was one of the cards in the 1993 TSR collector cards set.

Halber
#8

faraer

Sep 11, 2003 14:37:15
Elayne Mystica's appearance in Dragon #139 is 5 years before that, though.
#9

chatdemon

Sep 11, 2003 17:16:30
Elayne's appearances in the Collector Cards and Dragon 139 don't contain much, if any information on the Lerara though, aside from the passing mention that she is one.

Dragon 241 is hands down the best source of information on them, the 83 boxed set really only gives some sketchy details on using them in the Lost Passage of Slerotin mini-adventure.

Checking out the Yeomanry Living Greyhawk Triad discussion group archive (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/yeomanry) will also turn up some ideas, mostly homebrew, about the Lerara. Search messages 1-500 for some ideas from noted Suel Fanboys (TM) Rich Trickey (that's me folks) and Randy Richards (author of the Suel Imperium, Age of Glory adventure module, which is available for download on Canonfire! and contains some information on the Lerara and the pre-cataclysms empire. http://www.canonfire.com/htmlnew/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=5&min=10&orderby=titleA&show=10 ).

Also see these articles on Canonfire! for some more tidbits on the Lerara:

http://www.canonfire.com/htmlnew/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=315

http://www.canonfire.com/htmlnew/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=244

http://www.canonfire.com/htmlnew/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=236

http://www.canonfire.com/htmlnew/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=177

http://www.canonfire.com/htmlnew/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=103

http://www.canonfire.com/htmlnew/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=102
#10

Greyson

Sep 11, 2003 23:33:15
The way the Lerara came about in Greyhawk is pretty cool. It was the mage Sloterin, I think, who opened the tunnels under the Crystalmist when Zellafin lead his rebellious houses out of the Suel Empire. He closed both ends of the tunnels trapping many of the Zolites underneath the mountains. Some of them sutvived, obviously, and over several thousands of years (I think Sloterin effected the tunnels about 3500 years before the Common Year) you have an origin for many subterannean races in Greyhawk.

Pretty cool stuff
#11

zombiegleemax

Sep 11, 2003 23:37:01
Yup, right you are Greyson.

(It was Slerotin)
#12

grodog

Sep 12, 2003 0:14:03
Originally posted by Halberkill
I'm suprised Grodog, you missed where Elaine Mystica originally appeared. She was one of the cards in the 1993 TSR collector cards set.

Halber---

I rely a lot on Zavaoa's index, which is of course a limitation if he hasn't indexed a certain item (like Ivid or the collector cards [which I also don't own]).

Are the cards worthwhile for a GH fan? I see them on eBay from time-to-time, but never bothered to check them out (figuring they were not too dissimilar to the old Monster Cards, which never impressed me a lot).
#13

Halberkill

Sep 12, 2003 13:05:16
Originally posted by grodog
Are the cards worthwhile for a GH fan? I see them on eBay from time-to-time, but never bothered to check them out (figuring they were not too dissimilar to the old Monster Cards, which never impressed me a lot).

Well, Certain cards are. Like the ones that have the circle of 8 around the time of the Greyhawk Wars are good. Though I would say there are 20 must have cards, 30 additional cards that are interesting but not neccessary (npcs that had not appeared anywhere before, and except for Elaine Mystica, have not appeared anywhere since), and then the other 450 have nothing to do with Greyhawk directly but do occasionally feature Greyhawk artifacts as being generic AD&D.

The cards had pictures on the front, and then half game data and half story text on the back.

My suggestion would be to either get the complete set on ebay for cheap if available, or ask a freind to scan and send you the pertinent cards. Though you have to be careful, because the Greyhawk cards only appeared in the one set, 1994 *i think*.

Edit: I confirmed that they are in the 1992 card set.

Halber
#14

chatdemon

Sep 16, 2003 2:35:42
It was the mage Sloterin, I think, who opened the tunnels under the Crystalmist when Zellafin lead his rebellious houses out of the Suel Empire. He closed both ends of the tunnels trapping many of the Zolites underneath the mountains. Some of them sutvived, obviously, and over several thousands of years (I think Sloterin effected the tunnels about 3500 years before the Common Year)

Slerotin created the tunnel after the rain of colorless fire, in about -400 cy to lead the 13 remaining suel "tribes" out of the sea of dust.

Sources:
World of Greyhawk Campaign Setting: Glossography (the 83 boxed set)

Dragon Magazine #241: Legacies of the Suel Imperium
#15

zombiegleemax

Sep 17, 2003 20:47:15
The Dragon reference is erroneous and doesn't make sense in the light of events.

Slerotin led the surviving tribes through the crystalmists within days, not years after the cataclysm. Survival would have been impossible for any length of time in the basin once the raining ash finally covered everything.

-PSE
#16

carlanco

May 15, 2006 13:54:01
Based on the info in Dragon 241 they might look something like this:

As human but:
+2 str, -2 con
darkvision 60 feet
remove 1st level bonus feat
favoured class: barbarian or fighter

favouring neutral, or neutral evil

Anyway, thanks for the info.

Hi all,

This is an old post but I'm searching for info about the Lerara, specially any for 3.5e. The thing is my party just crossed the Slerotin tunnel into the Sea of Dust searching for one character's sister who is a Dustdigger. Anyway, I'd like them to have an encounter with the Lerara on their way back...

I mostly agree with the suggestion made by Morphious but I'd say that they have darkvision 120' or at least 90' and be of LN (LE) alignement.

Has anybody made a template for them? If not maybe I'll come up with something and post it...

Saludos,
Gabriel
#17

Mortepierre

May 15, 2006 16:07:35
Living Greyhawk has published a module on the Lerara: COR3-16 Lerara

Haven't played that one though so I can't tell you much about it.

Many have already pointed out Dragon #241 but issue #139 had the (1e) stats of Elaine Mystica.

I don't think stats for the Lerara would be difficult to implement. Just take a basic (Suel) human being. Add darkvision & light sensitivity for living in the dark for hundreds of years and you're done.
#18

Greyson

May 15, 2006 17:17:25
Living Greyhawk has published a module on the Lerara: COR3-16 Lerara

I burned COR3-16. It has some content about the culture of the Lerara in the tunnel. For example, it asserts that the Lerara ride giant millipedes and wear armor fashioned from the carapaces of the same creatures. Worship of The Mother is not absolute, as there is a secular government. But, she figures prominently in their lives and has been the force that has prevented the drow, duergar and other underworld socieites from destroying the forgotten Suel. The high priest of The Mother in the adventure was a mix of druid and bane of infidels prestige class. It did not seem to work well underground, but The Mother does not have clerics.

They used fire, but sparingly. Metal objects (weapons, armor, equipment, etc) are very rare.

I still have COR3-16. I'll have to break it out and flip through it again.
#19

thanael

May 19, 2006 10:46:32
Check out Races of Destiny. Mechanically one could/should probably use the underfolk for the Lerara. Their stats are also available here: http://www.crystalkeep.com/d20/rules/DnD3.5Index-Races.pdf
#20

Greyson

May 19, 2006 10:58:53
I thought about using the underfolk as Lerara, too. I would not allow them to have darkvision. I might not allow the natural armor bonus, either. As a side note, the Lerara in COR3-16 are normal humans.
#21

kelanenprinceofswords

May 27, 2006 20:06:37
I thought about using the underfolk as Lerara, too. I would not allow them to have darkvision. I might not allow the natural armor bonus, either. As a side note, the Lerara in COR3-16 are normal humans.

No darkvision? Really? I guess torches and phosphorescent fungi work well enough, but darkvision/light sensitivity seem like natural choices for the Lerara, IMHO.
#22

vormaerin

May 28, 2006 9:21:28
Depends on how human you still consider them to be. If they are a race of creatures that used to be human, then obviously supernatural powers like darkvision are cool. But if you are making 'humans who've lived underground a long durned time', you may well want to skip that.