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Knight of the Sword Typo

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#1
baron_the_curse
Sep 15, 2003 17:25:00 I’ve noticed the Knight of the Swords don’t have Heal as a class skill. I think as the classical clerical Solamnic Knighthood Heal should be a class skill. Is this a typo? Or is there a reason why they wouldn't be taught how to heal.
#2
zombiegleemax
Sep 15, 2003 19:47:07 It doesn't matter, since any class that would give them the divine spellcasting ability to they need to meet the prereqs would have Heal as a class skill, so the Knight of the Sword will automatically have it by default.
#3
cam_banks
Sep 15, 2003 21:37:17
Originally posted by Kai Lord
It doesn't matter, since any class that would give them the divine spellcasting ability to they need to meet the prereqs would have Heal as a class skill, so the Knight of the Sword will automatically have it by default.

Not quite. The cap on the number of ranks in Heal they could have would be their character level +3, but Heal would still be a cross-class skill for them when buying skill ranks at each Sword Knight level. In other words, when you advance a level and take that level in Sword Knight, ranks in Heal cost double.

Cheers,
Cam
#4
zombiegleemax
Sep 15, 2003 21:58:35
Originally posted by Cam Banks
Not quite. The cap on the number of ranks in Heal they could have would be their character level +3, but Heal would still be a cross-class skill for them when buying skill ranks at each Sword Knight level. In other words, when you advance a level and take that level in Sword Knight, ranks in Heal cost double.

Hrmm... *checks 3.5 PHB* You're right, page 60, there it is. I stand corrected.
#5
baron_the_curse
Sep 15, 2003 22:09:32 I think giving the KoS Heal as a class skill as a House Rule would be acceptable. Still, if an Errata for the DLCS is on the way (and what RPG usually doesn't need one) Heal should be added officially
#6
baron_the_curse
Sep 16, 2003 13:36:19 Actually will there be an errata available on PDF? Both DLCS and AoM need one. Just to clarify minor stuff like missing character stats, typos, and so on.
#7
zombiegleemax
Sep 16, 2003 14:01:45 Speaking of the Knights of the Sword, it states in the DLCS that one of the requirements for taking the Knight of Sword prestige class is to have at least one level of Knight of Crown and the knightly courage class ability. Is it just me, or is this a redundant statement as the Knights of the Crown get this ability at first level anyways?
#8
shugi
Sep 16, 2003 14:32:56 IIRC, that's not entirely accurate. The flavor text lists Knight of the Crown as a requirement, but the game stats list Knightly Courage as a requirement. I could be wrong, though.
#9
zombiegleemax
Sep 16, 2003 15:12:58
Originally posted by vivisect
Speaking of the Knights of the Sword, it states in the DLCS that one of the requirements for taking the Knight of Sword prestige class is to have at least one level of Knight of Crown and the knightly courage class ability. Is it just me, or is this a redundant statement as the Knights of the Crown get this ability at first level anyways?

I think they included that to invalidate ex-Knights of the Crown, those who performed actions contrary to the Measure and had their class abilities revoked. Such characters would not be eligible to enter the Knights of the Sword until they attoned for their transgressions.
#10
nevine
Sep 16, 2003 16:04:32 It's funny how Knights of Solamnia lose their spellcasting and supernatural abilities when they become "ex-", but Knights of Neraka don't (though..they do try to immediatly kill the offender). Poor Solamnics.:D
#11
brimstone
Sep 16, 2003 16:28:04
Originally posted by Nevine
It's funny how Knights of Solamnia lose their spellcasting and supernatural abilities when they become "ex-", but Knights of Neraka don't (though..they do try to immediatly kill the offender). Poor Solamnics.:D

Well...these rules are post-War of Souls. So you've got to look at it like this: KoS spellcasting and SU are god given (ie, "He giveth, and he can taketh away"); KoN spellcasting and SU are not...they come from Mysticism and Sorcery.

At least that how I'd justify it.
#12
baron_the_curse
Sep 16, 2003 19:12:03 Okay all these are interesting points, but do you guys agree a KoS should have Heal as a class skill?
#13
brimstone
Sep 17, 2003 13:26:59 Yep...I think any class bred for war (especially cooperative war) like a Warrior, KoS, KoN, LoS, Cleric...they should all have Heal be a Class Skill. It's an elementary skill that all people who will do battle should learn field dressing, and simple healing.

But, that's just me.
#14
daedavias_dup
Sep 17, 2003 16:15:10 The only thing I find funny about the Knights of the Sword not having heal is that the War Mage does. So wait a second, the arcane-spellcasters who deal the damage(at least a large portion of it) get the heal class skill, but those that are cleric-like in nature don't?
#15
baron_the_curse
Sep 17, 2003 16:40:51 Daedavis, good point. Didn't even notice that.
#16
zombiegleemax
Sep 17, 2003 20:14:05 The knights have always worked closely with clerics and healers of the gods of good, right? Maybe they just leave most of the healing tasks up to them?

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 baron_the_curse Sep 15, 2003 17:25:00	I’ve noticed the Knight of the Swords don’t have Heal as a class skill. I think as the classical clerical Solamnic Knighthood Heal should be a class skill. Is this a typo? Or is there a reason why they wouldn't be taught how to heal.
#2 zombiegleemax Sep 15, 2003 19:47:07	It doesn't matter, since any class that would give them the divine spellcasting ability to they need to meet the prereqs would have Heal as a class skill, so the Knight of the Sword will automatically have it by default.
#3 cam_banks Sep 15, 2003 21:37:17	Originally posted by Kai Lord It doesn't matter, since any class that would give them the divine spellcasting ability to they need to meet the prereqs would have Heal as a class skill, so the Knight of the Sword will automatically have it by default. Not quite. The cap on the number of ranks in Heal they could have would be their character level +3, but Heal would still be a cross-class skill for them when buying skill ranks at each Sword Knight level. In other words, when you advance a level and take that level in Sword Knight, ranks in Heal cost double. Cheers, Cam
#4 zombiegleemax Sep 15, 2003 21:58:35	Originally posted by Cam Banks Not quite. The cap on the number of ranks in Heal they could have would be their character level +3, but Heal would still be a cross-class skill for them when buying skill ranks at each Sword Knight level. In other words, when you advance a level and take that level in Sword Knight, ranks in Heal cost double. Hrmm... checks 3.5 PHB You're right, page 60, there it is. I stand corrected.
#5 baron_the_curse Sep 15, 2003 22:09:32	I think giving the KoS Heal as a class skill as a House Rule would be acceptable. Still, if an Errata for the DLCS is on the way (and what RPG usually doesn't need one) Heal should be added officially
#6 baron_the_curse Sep 16, 2003 13:36:19	Actually will there be an errata available on PDF? Both DLCS and AoM need one. Just to clarify minor stuff like missing character stats, typos, and so on.
#7 zombiegleemax Sep 16, 2003 14:01:45	Speaking of the Knights of the Sword, it states in the DLCS that one of the requirements for taking the Knight of Sword prestige class is to have at least one level of Knight of Crown and the knightly courage class ability. Is it just me, or is this a redundant statement as the Knights of the Crown get this ability at first level anyways?
#8 shugi Sep 16, 2003 14:32:56	IIRC, that's not entirely accurate. The flavor text lists Knight of the Crown as a requirement, but the game stats list Knightly Courage as a requirement. I could be wrong, though.
#9 zombiegleemax Sep 16, 2003 15:12:58	Originally posted by vivisect Speaking of the Knights of the Sword, it states in the DLCS that one of the requirements for taking the Knight of Sword prestige class is to have at least one level of Knight of Crown and the knightly courage class ability. Is it just me, or is this a redundant statement as the Knights of the Crown get this ability at first level anyways? I think they included that to invalidate ex-Knights of the Crown, those who performed actions contrary to the Measure and had their class abilities revoked. Such characters would not be eligible to enter the Knights of the Sword until they attoned for their transgressions.
#10 nevine Sep 16, 2003 16:04:32	It's funny how Knights of Solamnia lose their spellcasting and supernatural abilities when they become "ex-", but Knights of Neraka don't (though..they do try to immediatly kill the offender). Poor Solamnics.:D
#11 brimstone Sep 16, 2003 16:28:04	Originally posted by Nevine It's funny how Knights of Solamnia lose their spellcasting and supernatural abilities when they become "ex-", but Knights of Neraka don't (though..they do try to immediatly kill the offender). Poor Solamnics.:D Well...these rules are post-War of Souls. So you've got to look at it like this: KoS spellcasting and SU are god given (ie, "He giveth, and he can taketh away"); KoN spellcasting and SU are not...they come from Mysticism and Sorcery. At least that how I'd justify it.
#12 baron_the_curse Sep 16, 2003 19:12:03	Okay all these are interesting points, but do you guys agree a KoS should have Heal as a class skill?
#13 brimstone Sep 17, 2003 13:26:59	Yep...I think any class bred for war (especially cooperative war) like a Warrior, KoS, KoN, LoS, Cleric...they should all have Heal be a Class Skill. It's an elementary skill that all people who will do battle should learn field dressing, and simple healing. But, that's just me.
#14 daedavias_dup Sep 17, 2003 16:15:10	The only thing I find funny about the Knights of the Sword not having heal is that the War Mage does. So wait a second, the arcane-spellcasters who deal the damage(at least a large portion of it) get the heal class skill, but those that are cleric-like in nature don't?
#15 baron_the_curse Sep 17, 2003 16:40:51	Daedavis, good point. Didn't even notice that.
#16 zombiegleemax Sep 17, 2003 20:14:05	The knights have always worked closely with clerics and healers of the gods of good, right? Maybe they just leave most of the healing tasks up to them?