I remember, but don't wuote me on this, that at the end they said that the familiar constellations had returned, but all sorts of new and alien stars were also there. The heavens were not the same as the heavens on the old Krynn.
Evidently they must have decided that, if Krynn was so well hidden from them, maybe Chaos might have trouble finding it, should he again be released.
Its the only reason I can think of to rebuild all those other planes instead of just moving the world. If Takhisis moved it alone, I don't see why all the other gods together couldn't put it back.
The neutral gods (except for Gilean) were represented by planets in Krynn's solar system rather than constellations. Did the planets move with the world when Takhisis relocated it, were they replaced later, or were the planets in the new place renamed?
According to the DLCS, the planets are there now, so does anyone know how that happened?
Originally posted by Craven Moistmuffins
But that brings up another question....
The neutral gods (except for Gilean) were represented by planets in Krynn's solar system rather than constellations. Did the planets move with the world when Takhisis relocated it, were they replaced later, or were the planets in the new place renamed?
According to the DLCS, the planets are there now, so does anyone know how that happened?
This is a question that has plagued me in regards to my Krynnspace work. It's partially why I wish to leave the location of Krynn somewhat mysterious from a SJ point of view.
If you think about it, moving Krynn taxed Takhisis, mightiest of the evil gods, to the point to where she was ineffective in the early 5th age. Moving planets, moons, etc. would undoubtedly tax the other gods, especially in their weakened state.
My thought is that the neutral gods simply took over existing planets within the crystal sphere as their own. The stars are new stars, but were rearranged to match the symbols of the gods. The moons of Krynn are also problematic. Perhaps moons are easier to move, or perhaps their arcane nature allowed them to be moved easier.
You may wish to check out Dragonhelm's Guide to Krynnspace. There's a section in there on history, and it goes into the world moving and what not.
Enjoy!
Originally posted by j0llyblackgiant
wow i never know that i all ways rememeber that all gods had a constelation even the neutral ones like reorx had a anvil i think and giliean had a book etc i never heard they were represented by planets... hmm maybe the novels and game have different info
Gilean is the only Neutral deity to have a constellation. The others have planets (Zivilyn, Shinare, Sirrion, Reorx, Chislev).
Cheers,
Cam
Originally posted by Winterknight
Dragonhelm, the PrCs for the knights of Krynnspace (probably going to be known as Reorxspace in the future), would you use the Knight of the crown for the KoSun, Knight of the sword for the KoStars, and the knight of the thorn (or the War Mage), modified, for the KoMoon? Or are you planning new PrCs for the Knights of Krynspace. (Another alternative: Just modify the Knights of Neraka to good alignment, and use those PrCs.) Curious, because I have some fond memories of Krynnspace, my introduction to SpellJammer, and enjoyed your write up.
Thanks! I'm glad you like it.
A friend of mine was helping me with these PrCs, and I do have early versions of them. There needs to be some tweaks with the DLCS release.
Sun Knights would be equivalent to Crown Knights, so feel free to use that. Likewise, Sword Knights would get you started with Star Knights. Good ideas there, especially since the Knights of Krynnspace gained their start with the KoS.
Moon Knights are a bit more complicated. In many ways, they're like the interstellar version of the WoHS. In other ways, they're like Thorn Knights. Maybe an amalgam between the two would be more beneficial.
Anyway, I'll try to get back to these soon. I've been procrastinating in regards to Krynnspace. There will be an update to my guide sometime, including expanded materials.
By the way, check out Beyond the Moons' Krynnspace Page for more information on Krynnspace. Most of the info is in my guide, but there are other goodies as well.
Originally posted by iltharanos
Novel-wise, I don't think the topic has ever been covered as to whether Reorx, Sirrion, etc. have a planet or a constellation. But game-wise, Reorx, Sirrion, Shinare, etc. have always been represented in the night sky as planets.
Yep...in the novels, it has been explicitly stated that Reorx and Zivilyn were represented by planets in the sky. (Reorx is mentioned several times and Zivilyn was most recently mentioned in the Icewall Trilogy).
So, it can be safely assumed, that in the novles, Shinare, Sirrion, and Chislev are planets as well.
That's assuming, of course, (Spelljammer aside) that there is a "space" around Krynn, and not just a huge dome with dots painted on it...it is fantasy.
Originally posted by Craven Moistmuffins
But that brings up another question....
The neutral gods (except for Gilean) were represented by planets in Krynn's solar system rather than constellations. Did the planets move with the world when Takhisis relocated it, were they replaced later, or were the planets in the new place renamed?
According to the DLCS, the planets are there now, so does anyone know how that happened?
Craven, in the Age of Mortals book in page 172 says…
The three moons of the Gods of Magic and the planets of the Gods of Balance have once more taken up their orbits.
It sounds to me like the Gods brought their planets along with them.
As for the rest of Krynnspace I can’t say. I wonder what happened to the Stellar Islands.
When the deities rebuilt the Dome of Creation they just put their constellations up, leaving Krynn where Takhisis put it.
Since the mortals on Krynn never knew Krynn was stolen then they would probably have assumed that the God named planets were still there or were taken by the gods when they "Left."
If they ever bothered to look out "ye old telescope" and saw a different planet or an empty orbit they would assume it was one of the great "changes" done by the Chaos War.
I would think that Krynn is in a "new" solar system, with a "new" family of planets.
The Spelljamming or Ether sailing possibilities are many indeed. :D
Originally posted by DaemonAngel
I think the planets in the Star Chart in the DLCS is a fluk on the part of the editors. Given the fact that even the Dark Queen alone was almost destroyed when she stole Krynn, it would have been fatal for the other gods to do that with an Entire solar system.
I disagree.
Takhisis was one god trying to steal one world.
The moons of magic are directly linked to their respective gods...so that's like the other gods bringing their own constellations...so no problem there.
Which leaves only 5 planets to bring: Reorx, Chislev, Shinnare, Sirrion, and Zivilyn. 5 planets, but 20 gods to pool their magic together to bring them along. That shouldn't be a problem, I think.
Originally posted by Brimstone
Which leaves only 5 planets to bring: Reorx, Chislev, Shinnare, Sirrion, and Zivilyn. 5 planets, but 20 gods to pool their magic together to bring them along. That shouldn't be a problem, I think.
And of course, who's to say that (as mentioned earlier in this thread) the stars and planets aren't just features etched into the Dome of Creation above the world? I'm inclined to think that the planets and stars have very little to do with what we in our modern scientific paradigm consider planets and stars to be. It certainly solves a lot of grief about how they were transplanted - they weren't. They're part of the whole package of recreated cosmology.
Cheers,
Cam
Damn your lying tongues!! How dare you all suggest such things!
p.s. ;)