Hoopak?

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#1

hlethvagi

Oct 11, 2003 20:08:38
I am sure I may have just missed this as I skimmed the titles on this message board, but I've got to know. Does anyone know the stats for a 3.5 hoopak? I couldn't find them in the DLCS either.

Thanks
#2

randpc

Oct 11, 2003 21:35:51
There are no official stats as yet for any of the racial weapons, supposedly their going to be published with the DragonLance DM Screen.
#3

kipper_snifferdoo_02

Oct 12, 2003 7:54:58
Try these: Hoopak Stats
#4

daedavias_dup

Oct 12, 2003 9:38:23
Originally posted by Kipper Snifferdoo
Try these: Hoopak Stats

I thought you would have jumped on the opportunity like a pack of dogs on a three legged cat, Kipper...
#5

kipper_snifferdoo_02

Oct 12, 2003 9:53:28
LOL, there are certain subjects that tend to catch my eye, hoopaks and kender top that list. :D
#6

hlethvagi

Oct 12, 2003 14:28:15
Thanks alot. I bet these stats will be perfect.
#7

zombiegleemax

Oct 19, 2003 23:16:00
and when is the DM SCREEN Supposed to be out? I thought this month?
#8

shugi

Oct 20, 2003 0:03:29
A little rabbit told me that there's going to be an announcement about the delay(s?) but I haven't heard anything yet. Last I knew, the DM Screen was pushed back to mid-November which probably means Key of Destiny and the Bestiary will be pushed back a bit.
#9

randpc

Oct 20, 2003 13:48:15
I've heard that it's been pushed back till' the 17-21'st of November for both the Key of Destiny/DM Screen.

One would assume they'll have to make an announcement soon though, as their official date is still set for this month so far as I'm aware.
#10

zombiegleemax

Oct 21, 2003 4:58:27
It does pretty well, even though it's new. I miss my old one very much, but that slig I ran into just outside of Qualinost ran off with it sticking out of its'. . . well, that might not be appropriate discussion what with a lady being around and all. Hey Kipper! You seem to be as pointy-eared a Kender as ever I've seen! You aren't, by any chance, related to the Branchbiters or my uncle Trapspringer are you?
#11

zombiegleemax

Oct 21, 2003 5:01:00
What are 'Stats'? Are they good for hoopaks to have? If so, where can i get some? They might go good with my new hoopak.

Love,
Haldon
#12

zombiegleemax

Oct 21, 2003 8:53:48
If they kee[p this kind of stuff up, they might not be in business for long.
#13

zombiegleemax

Nov 03, 2003 15:39:50
Haldon is my hero. And Uncle Trapspringer.
Tas
#14

zombiegleemax

Nov 03, 2003 17:46:47
Originally posted by Amaron Blackthorn
If they kee[p this kind of stuff up, they might not be in business for long.

I hardly think so....its not been pushed back all that far....and...well....you'd like a well put together well written product wouldn't ya? You would? I thought so....okay then....keep your panties on! ;)
#15

zombiegleemax

Nov 04, 2003 3:19:19
You know, I've got twelve cousins who changed their name to Tasslehoff. You wouldn't happen to be the real one would you? You never know these days.
#16

zombiegleemax

Nov 04, 2003 10:52:04
You know, thats the strangest thing! Whenever I introduce myself to anyone they say things like "yea...your just like all the other tasslehoffs" I'm the first, the original, the not so one and only. Funny, recently, I took a portal to the realms and even Elminster had heard of me and didn't beleive it was me. By the way Haldon, if you ever find any of those 'stats', be sure to send me some. Off to the dentist who also happens to be a kender. My silver tooth always seems to be missing when I leave there. Weird I know.
Tas
#17

brimstone

Nov 04, 2003 12:30:17
Originally posted by Tasslehoff the Great
You know, thats the strangest thing! Whenever I introduce myself to anyone they say things like "yea...your just like all the other tasslehoffs"

Seriously guys...there's a time and place for this IC stuff...and it isn't now or here.

They have threads...and whole boards even, for in character play. (Even though people normally don't take too kindly to someone pretending to be some iconic character.)

#18

zombiegleemax

Nov 04, 2003 13:22:25
Hm, then why can Shemeska get away with it I wonder?

Perhaps she really IS Shemeska the Marauder, King of the Crosstrades, big furry Arcanoloth of doom...

Ah well.
#19

brimstone

Nov 04, 2003 14:17:55
Originally posted by L33t Angel
Hm, then why can Shemeska get away with it I wonder?

Perhaps she really IS Shemeska the Marauder, King of the Crosstrades, big furry Arcanoloth of doom...

I don't even want to know...



LOL!
#20

daedavias_dup

Nov 04, 2003 14:53:00
Originally posted by Brimstone
I don't even want to know...



LOL!

I second that motion
#21

zombiegleemax

Nov 05, 2003 14:36:50
Seriously guys...there's a time and place for this IC stuff...and it isn't now or here.

Sorry, no more from me.
Tas
#22

zombiegleemax

Nov 05, 2003 14:37:04
Seriously guys...there's a time and place for this IC stuff...and it isn't now or here.

Sorry, no more from me.
Tas
#23

zombiegleemax

Nov 05, 2003 14:39:27
Sorry, no more IC from me
Tas
#24

brimstone

Nov 05, 2003 14:43:55
Originally posted by Tasslehoff the Great
Sorry, no more IC from me
Tas

Someone bump TTG...I think he's stuck.

;)
#25

daedavias_dup

Nov 05, 2003 16:42:58
Originally posted by Brimstone
Someone bump TTG...I think he's stuck.

;)

Just let me grab my quarterstaff
#26

zombiegleemax

Nov 05, 2003 20:57:27
Sorry, my computer went psychotic(sp)
Tas
#27

cassia_riverogue

Nov 28, 2003 8:15:05
HEY! NICE TO FINALLY GET SOMEWHERE...wait a minute, where's here anyway? I guess I'll stay a while and get to know everyone!
#28

cassia_riverogue

Nov 28, 2003 8:15:09
HEY! NICE TO FINALLY GET SOMEWHERE...wait a minute, where's here anyway? I guess I'll stay a while and get to know everyone!
#29

zombiegleemax

Nov 28, 2003 16:30:39
Hey, do we even have a DL IC board. That would be seriously cool if we could start one.
How do we start IC boards anyway, just spam a Wiz_O with e-mail until they cave?
Perhaps if we started it in the CoF they would let it spread.
#30

cassia_riverogue

Nov 28, 2003 20:33:35
Uh, I don't know...ask around! Maybe one can get started. I was sent a letter from someone sayin' stuff like that is frouned upon though...*sighs*

Cassia R. :P
#31

darthsylver

Nov 28, 2003 22:20:20
Who is selling the DM's screen, WoTC or SovStone. Amazon has nothing about the screen but they do have the Key of Destiny. Does the screen come with the Key of Destiny?
#32

daedavias_dup

Nov 28, 2003 23:06:39
Originally posted by darthsylver
Who is selling the DM's screen, WoTC or SovStone. Amazon has nothing about the screen but they do have the Key of Destiny. Does the screen come with the Key of Destiny?

How long have you been out of the loop, darthsylver? You haven't posted in a good while. The DM screen is produced by SovPress, as is the Key of Destiny. They are being sold separately.
#33

darthsylver

Nov 28, 2003 23:34:40
Let's see, went to Iraq in Apr, got back in Aug and had no phone for internet, just now getting out of Military (yeah, wooo-hooo), and finally getting to Virginia where family and I setling. So let's see, Apr, May, Jun, July, Aug, Sept, Oct, Nov, 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 yep 9. 9 months. Is that really a long time, oh yeah!!!!
#34

daedavias_dup

Nov 28, 2003 23:48:36
Originally posted by darthsylver
Let's see, went to Iraq in Apr, got back in Aug and had no phone for internet, just now getting out of Military (yeah, wooo-hooo), and finally getting to Virginia where family and I setling. So let's see, Apr, May, Jun, July, Aug, Sept, Oct, Nov, 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 yep 9. 9 months. Is that really a long time, oh yeah!!!!

My brother missed being sent by about three weeks. He was lucky enough to have been changing his occupation(or whatever the military calls them), and the officer in command said that he can't be sent until he finishes his training. He has avoided being sent because of this twice now.

Well, it is good to see that you came back safe and sound!

BTW, I knew you hadn't had internet for a while, never knew it was quite that long. Well, you came back at a good time, since the DL products are hopefully gonna start rolling out at about two books a month, for right now at least. Did you happen to get a copy of the DLCS and the AoM yet?
#35

darthsylver

Nov 29, 2003 0:16:12
Yes, I have both DLCS and AoM.

Yeah the only reason I went was because they basically told me I could not quit my job. I was at the end of my contract and was about to get out when the whole thing started, man was my wife ******!!!!
#36

cassia_riverogue

Nov 29, 2003 11:03:08
Hi! I'm back! Been bumped off the internet...BAH! WILL IT EVER END? Oh, good to see more people! HI EVERYONE!
#37

zombiegleemax

Nov 29, 2003 12:06:56
About the kencyclopedia hoopak - shouldn't the staff bit be doing a little less damage, really? A normal, full size quarterstaff (although if that's twice as big, and only a quarter... is a hoopak equivalent to an eighthstaff?) does 1d6 damage (or at least it did - can't find 3.5 PHB at the moment), and this isn't even going to be as effective, due to air-friction from the sling part.

Also, if it was made from wood taken from the Kenderwood, which is now burned to pieces, does that mean hoopaks are going to be increasingly rare, or just even more varied? At the very least, are the other, more unusual (and mostly better, IMO) kender weapons going to become more popular?

And why oh why are the kender antional weapons not light enough to be able to use weapon finesse? I understand that they were created before the feat system, but it would still make a little sense...

ps - If you want to find a place that allows kender free-form role-play, try going to the SBM in my sig, and then to the Brickflight area. It's a random made-up city mostly inhabited by kender, but anyone can get there.

SBM stands for Sugar By Mouse, the original explanation for why all the board residents were so hyper. Every time they touched the mouse, a free shot of sugar would be injected straight into the bloodstream.
#38

brimstone

Dec 01, 2003 10:25:35
Originally posted by Cassia Riverogue
Uh, I don't know...ask around! Maybe one can get started. I was sent a letter from someone sayin' stuff like that is frouned upon though...*sighs*



What's everyone looking at me for? I didn't do it this time...I promise, it wasn't me! ;)

By the way, welcome back, Darthsylver!
#39

kipper_snifferdoo_02

Dec 01, 2003 11:02:37
Originally posted by pddisc
About the kencyclopedia hoopak

Hullo, hullo

- shouldn't the staff bit be doing a little less damage, really? A normal, full size quarterstaff (although if that's twice as big, and only a quarter... is a hoopak equivalent to an eighthstaff?) does 1d6 damage (or at least it did - can't find 3.5 PHB at the moment),

Ok here was my reasoning behind all this. Most weapons come in two sizes now, small or medium. So they list damage for both sizes. Basically since the dawn of kender the hoopak has done 1d6 points of damage and according to 3E kender would now use "small weapons" as per their size. So I did think of lowering it to do 1d4, but it just felt wrong for a number of reasons. 1) all hoopaks in the hand of a kender have always done 1d6. 2) anyone that has ever played or is playing a kender would surely be disgruntled if you told them they they are now using a weapon that does 1d4 instead of 1d6 3) Tas sure did dispatch his share of goblins and monsters with his hoopak and I just couldn't bring myself to lower it.


and this isn't even going to be as effective, due to air-friction from the sling part.

Well, that's debatable. The sling may not always be large enough to catch the wind like a sail. And if they are not hitting it straight on it's not going to slow it. Even if it did catch the wind I doubt it would slow it enough to reduce the damage significantly.


Also, if it was made from wood taken from the Kenderwood, which is now burned to pieces, does that mean hoopaks are going to be increasingly rare, or just even more varied? At the very least, are the other, more unusual (and mostly better, IMO) kender weapons going to become more popular?

A good number of them were and are also made in Hylo. So I doubt there will be a drop in the number used. Now in the Desolation I doubt the afflicted kender are using them much, but True kender from Hylo would. Personally I like the idea of them using some of the other kender weapons.


And why oh why are the kender antional weapons not light enough to be able to use weapon finesse? I understand that they were created before the feat system, but it would still make a little sense...

That's a good question and it makes a lot of sense. The weight listed for a medium hoopak is (8 lbs) so a small hoopak that most kender would use would be 4 pounds. I suppose if your DM decides that qualifies as light you could use it with the weapon finesse feat.
#40

darthsylver

Dec 01, 2003 12:31:56
Thanks Brim, it is good to be back. And I promise you will be hearing alot from me from now on. Of course, I'm not sure if that is a good or bad thing.
#41

zombiegleemax

Dec 01, 2003 14:40:09
Tas sure did dispatch his share of goblins and monsters with his hoopak

:fight!: :D
#42

zombiegleemax

Dec 01, 2003 21:50:27
How about this...Kender treat Hoopaks (and other Kender weapons) as one size larger. Or, in other words, when wielding kender weapons, kender do medium-weapon damage. There has to be some through back to the +2 to hit with them, or whatever they got (thinking more along the lines of the SSI Gold Box games).

Or, free focus, kinda like halflings get, essentially, free focus in every single thrown weapon.
#43

zombiegleemax

Dec 02, 2003 16:20:07
I always thought of the hoopak as more of a spear and sling in one, rather than a quarterstaff and sling in one. That being the case, 1d6 damage is absolutely appropriate, as it is a one step reduction for 1d8 damage for a shortspear. (Note that this also solves the potential problem of drag created by the sling)

I always felt pretty bad for the smaller races, who can never, ever match the damage output of those larger than them. But then again, I suppose this makes sense. Still, it's awfully hard, it seems, to find weapons that do even 1d6 damage for them - especially if you're a small rogue.

As a small sidenote, a small quarterstaff would not be called an 'eighthstaff', as amusing as the name might be, since the name refers to how the staff is wielded, not its actual length. Small bit of trivia there...
#44

cam_banks

Dec 02, 2003 21:16:27
Originally posted by The Udjat
I always thought of the hoopak as more of a spear and sling in one, rather than a quarterstaff and sling in one.

Despite some appearances in illustration (chiefly in Tales of the Lance), the hoopak was never intended to be a piercing weapon. In its original form it was a combination sling and jo stick - which for those of you with long memories was one of the monk weapons from 1st edition AD&D.

By rights the hoopak should only deal 1d4 points of damage with its staff component, and 1d3 points of damage with sling stones hurled or shot from the sling end. Yes, this is less damage than it traditionally did in the hands of a kender, but then short swords and daggers and other weapons also deal out less damage in 3.5 edition D&D than they used to for small characters.

Cheers,
Cam
#45

zombiegleemax

Dec 04, 2003 15:59:56
How about this...Kender treat Hoopaks (and other Kender weapons) as one size larger.

So would a kender wielding a medium hoopak do more damage than a normal quarterstaff?
#46

zombiegleemax

Dec 04, 2003 17:07:32
Surely if it was a medium weapon, then they'd all get -4 to hit for using the wrong sized weapons?

Spears also have much bigger pointy bits. It's only because it has a small metal cap at the not-sling end that people will use it as a spear. I'm more inclined to not have it as a spear, but just a part of it being a staff/sling, so it's easier to lodge in the ground when you're slinging with it.

Still since, each kender will personalise their weapons, there no need to say no hoopaks will have spear components. It's just that it's not the 'traditional' one.
#47

zombiegleemax

Dec 05, 2003 10:05:29
It is no different than a dwarf getting one extra point of damage over a battle axe with his war axe, or a human with a bastard sword (if they took the feat for their bonus...).

Besides, the kender have to have something that would make someone want to be able to play them, and do more damage than an untrained unarmed attack. (still lethal over subdual, but come on)
#48

cam_banks

Dec 05, 2003 10:12:48
Originally posted by K_Man
It is no different than a dwarf getting one extra point of damage over a battle axe with his war axe, or a human with a bastard sword (if they took the feat for their bonus...).

Yes, but dwarves and humans are Medium characters, while kender are Small. Keep in mind that as Small characters, kender have a better AC and a better attack bonus than a dwarf or human with the same ability scores and class.

Half-kender would get the benefit of a Medium hoopak, if they had one made... and it would do 1d6 and 1d4.

Cheers,
Cam
#49

zombiegleemax

Dec 05, 2003 10:19:46
True...But their should be some illusion of the 3.0.5 stats tossing back to the good old days. Just give them Prof and Focus in all kender weapons, then. People that play kender are NOT the usual armored greatsword raging warriors anyway.
#50

cam_banks

Dec 05, 2003 10:24:42
Originally posted by K_Man
True...But their should be some illusion of the 3.0.5 stats tossing back to the good old days. Just give them Prof and Focus in all kender weapons, then. People that play kender are NOT the usual armored greatsword raging warriors anyway.

I would grant them weapon familiarity with kender weapons, which would allow a kender with proficiency in martial weapons (such as a kender fighter or ranger) access to them. They could also gain proficiency in a single kender weapon automatically, just as elves gain proficiency in rapiers and bows.

Their size already grants them the equivalent of weapon focus in any weapon they use, as it's a +1 size bonus to attacks. Weapon focus has no effect on damage.

Cheers,
Cam
#51

zombiegleemax

Dec 05, 2003 12:55:21
Surely if it was a medium weapon, then they'd all get -4 to hit for using the wrong sized weapons?

A twohanded weapon?