Why is this still up in the product catalog if Wizards of the Coast isn't coming out with any new d20 Planescape products? Is it to taunt us? And if so, why hasn't karma destroyed everything they hold dear yet? :thumbsdow
:sad:
:hoppingma:headexplo
What was it, by the way?
Just thought of it when I saw Ryltar, again I apologize for any inconvenienceOriginally posted by Amoun
on an entirely unrelated note, I apologize but does anyone know where you can get the epic lvl blackguard picture from the epic lvl handbook on some kind of format? I have the epic lvl book but do not have access to a printer and thats just a cool picture I've been dying to get my hands on hehe... Again sorry for straying off the topic
*cough*
a) Start a new thread with a new idea,
b) Start it in the appropriate forum (i.e. the ELH forum) and
c) Right here.
Originally posted by Ryltar Swordsong
He's pointing out the fact that PS still has a category in the product catalog when there are no new products coming out. It's still there, so it's not fixed.
I can't see anything.
Originally posted by nick012000
Well, that's fine, as long as they don't list any products as available for sale.
Well, it may be fine for you, but they don't have any Birthright stuff being made, and Birthright isn't selectable. No Mystara stuff being made, and Mystara isn't selectable. You get the point, I'm sure. So why do they still have Planescape up there? I'd rather have them kill my false hope that they'll ever actually put out anything Planescape than leave that up there for me to wonder and gasp giddily that perhaps, just perhaps, my all-time favourite RPG setting (nevermind D&D setting) might come back. I know it's not true, so STOP TORMENTING ME! (no pun intended)
Originally posted by Factol Rhys
I didn't either but let's keep this thread going!
Sounds fun. I've never kept a thread going for the sheer sake of...
...well, keeping a thread going. I think I'll give it a try!
Did the planes give you this idea, Factol Lady?
Originally posted by Tertek
Did the planes give you this idea, Factol Lady?
As a matter of fact, yes. They said it was really important to keep this one open. I just do what I'm told. Anyway, we know that the Products page still has an empty Planescape directory, but we're all very disappointed that they would tempt us into thinking that the might in the future consider thinking about maybe looking at supporting the setting as a possibility. Now that that's settled. anyone else care to contribute to an effort to have a meaningless post stay open?
Originally posted by Factol Rhys
...anyone else care to contribute to an effort to have a meaningless post stay open?
Seconded.
Originally posted by davethebrave371 I know it's not true, so STOP TORMENTING ME! (no pun intended)
No pun intended?
No pun intended?
Oh I know what your intentions where.....
However, they do seem to be trying to make the core rules more and more like PS. For example the new DMG has a mini MotP (which was already too small...), and the MM has more PS critters (the gith are now core, as are a couple of fiends and celestials, plus they all have pictures). So it looks like they don't think PS will really sell if they only sell it to those of us who would buy the CS, but if they put it in stuff with non-PS stuff then they can also get more business from us without supporting a failing product.
However, I'm still sad because it's all disconnected and crunchy; normaly I like crunchy, but with PS it's just not enough to run a campaign. I miss my fluff, sure I have some of the old PS books, but not all of them, and because they stopped making them I'll never get them. So I think it was simply wrong of them to even mention Sigil in the MotP if they aren't going to say anything else about it. Because what they have is detailed enough that those who don't have the wherewithal to run it might want to but can't, and those who do can, but never needed the description in the first place...
^Well there you go, that's me trying to help keep this thread going without just completely throwing away the topic. Think that'll do?
Originally posted by Lord of the Ninth
I'm preacing PS to the PS board, that's like suggesting the Athar practice atheism.
I'd actually say that the Athar are agnostic. The Powers may not be Gods, but that doesn't mean that the Athar don't think that there isn't a God(s), just that it isn't known/knowable. Hence "The Great Unknown."
Originally posted by Lord of the Ninth
I want to know why those darn [I'm censoring myself as to prevent the Wizo of this board form ahving to do it] haven't just continued PS. I mean it's the best setting in the game. Period.
Because, no matter HOW they do it, they will lose out.
1. PS is a very niche product, something that won't sell well to Mr Joe Gamer. This is how TSR bellyflopped. However, PS is perfect for a 3rd party publisher, so I don't see why they don't just sell it to someone else.
2. No matter how they update it, people will be mad. I've never seen a more dedicated group of gamers than amongst the Planescapers. Just imagine the cries of despair when the PS Campaign Setting book would be released.
'WotC you suck, DiTerlizzi didn't do all of the art?'
'The General of Gehenna has stats? What the hell?'
'Tanar'ri are Demons?'
And so on...
On the other side of the spectrum, you have GreyHawk, which is nearly impossible to screw up. So I don't see why a GH book isn't released. However, I can understand WotC not wanting to release PS, they should just sell it to Green Ronin or AEG or something.
Originally posted by Tertek
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*Yugolothy glare*
Never tried scramblespeak before hmm? Let me put it this way... I know this great experience I'm sure you've never tried before. I can help you experience it. It's called 'die in excruciating pain'. Mortals around me tend to experience that alot. But I can assure you than I make it a novel and long, drawn out experience for all of them. :D
I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir here though. I'm sure this gets old after a while, but things are still moving along and things are still being written up. I can speak for myself at least in that regards, though I'm only a cog in a wheel. And frankly none of my contributions have actually made it up on the web yet. *chuckle*
Good things come... et al.
[Darn I wish I had the ridiculous amount of money needed to buy the PS license. And if anyone else does, I got no problem with that so long as all our work on PW gets used. Heck, buy the license and hire us!]
Originally posted by Shemeska the Marauder
*Yugolothy glare*
Never tried scramblespeak before hmm? Let me put it this way... I know this great experience I'm sure you've never tried before. I can help you experience it. It's called 'die in excruciating pain'. Mortals around me tend to experience that alot. But I can assure you than I make it a novel and long, drawn out experience for all of them. :D
"That sounds interesting indeed, Yugolhotty," the tiefling grins crookedly, "When I'm ready to be penned in the dead-book, I'll consider your offer. Until then, I've got a lot of other experiences I need to seek out...none of them including dying."
"Besides," he adds as an afterthought, "if you kill me, you'll be out of someone who can get embarassing dark on some of the biggest bloods out there." His grin widens as he points to the picture of drunken Bel.
Originally posted by Dackad
Because, no matter HOW they do it, they will lose out.
1. PS is a very niche product, something that won't sell well to Mr Joe Gamer. This is how TSR bellyflopped. However, PS is perfect for a 3rd party publisher, so I don't see why they don't just sell it to someone else.
2. No matter how they update it, people will be mad. I've never seen a more dedicated group of gamers than amongst the Planescapers. Just imagine the cries of despair when the PS Campaign Setting book would be released.
'WotC you suck, DiTerlizzi didn't do all of the art?'
'The General of Gehenna has stats? What the hell?'
'Tanar'ri are Demons?'
And so on...
On the other side of the spectrum, you have GreyHawk, which is nearly impossible to screw up. So I don't see why a GH book isn't released. However, I can understand WotC not wanting to release PS, they should just sell it to Green Ronin or AEG or something.
It's more like this:
1 the designers especially a certain senior one never really understood Planescape and probabbly lost one of their super munchkin characters in a PS game so they hate it. To them Planscape should stay dead because "poor tommy the bullfrog died when he tried to kill the lady"
2 see number 1. I doubt there will be much complaining if it was done right. And wotc could do it right if they wanted too. I don't generally want to see it done third party due to what we've seen with 3e Ravenloft (a pale pale pale version of the original)
The only real complaint I would have would be if a stat block appeared on the lady
Originally posted by Lord of the Ninth
So I think it was simply wrong of them to even mention Sigil in the MotP if they aren't going to say anything else about it. Because what they have is detailed enough that those who don't have the wherewithal to run it might want to but can't, and those who do can, but never needed the description in the first place...
ARRGGGHH!! ANGER AGAIN!!!
:thumbsdow
:sad::hoppingma:headexplo
Originally posted by Plunderer_of_the_planes
It's more like this:
1 the designers especially a certain senior one never really understood Planescape and probabbly lost one of their super munchkin characters in a PS game so they hate it. To them Planscape should stay dead because "poor tommy the bullfrog died when he tried to kill the lady"
Your haet of woct knoes no limit
"Your hatred of WotC knows no bounds" Plunderer.
Originally posted by L33t Angel
He said:
"Your hatred of WotC knows no bounds" Plunderer.
Correction: my hatred of corporations knows no limits....
Originally posted by Ryltar Swordsong
I don't hate WotC. I just hate the fact that every book they put out is more focused on rules over story (crunch over fluff). Every book has more feats, spells, PrCs, and races. I love PS cause it focuses on story.
Here! Here! But then I have been saying this since 3e came out.
Originally posted by Ryltar Swordsong
I don't hate WotC. I just hate the fact that every book they put out is more focused on rules over story (crunch over fluff). Every book has more feats, spells, PrCs, and races. I love PS cause it focuses on story.
Very true, but you must hate 80% of the 3rd party products as well. ;)
I find the 'haet' directed at WotC laughable at best, but that's another topic.
Originally posted by Dackad
Very true, but you must hate 80% of the 3rd party products as well. ;)
I find the 'haet' directed at WotC laughable at best, but that's another topic.
Two points:
Can you cite me which companies fall under the 80% who produce more crunchy over story? Because I can honestly say that either that's an exaggeration, or you've sampled five or six 3rd party books.
And, as long as we're on the topic (because we are, and you were) why do you find the "haet" directed at Wizards laughable? I'm not trying to argue with you here, just trying to get a viewpoint out of you, as it seems so far that you're content to criticize without a) backing up your point of view or b) provide proof that anyone you disagree with is wrong. I would agree that any hate directed at a corporation is fairly ridiculous, and I have my own reasons. But let's hear yours, if you even have them.