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First Born Five Colors?

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#1
zombiegleemax
Oct 24, 2003 14:57:32 I think I remember that before Tahkisis led them away from.. Neutrality? Good?, the First Born Five were colored like metals, right?

What were they, again? I think I remember Red being Iron, and there was Tin and possibly Lead involved somewhere or another.
#2
zombiegleemax
Oct 24, 2003 15:10:29 tin (red), iron, nickel (green), ummm....I forget the rest.:embarrass
#3
brimstone
Oct 24, 2003 15:50:30 Iron, Tin, Lead, Nickel, and Copper...they were fassioned from true elements (unlike the good dragons...some of which were alloys, not pure elements).

Iron became Red, Tin became White, Lead became Black, Nickel became Green, and the Copper dragon became the first Blue.

When Paladine had the monuments made for the good dragons...he used Copper again for one, because of all the First Borns...the Copper was the one who remained trueist (even before Hiddukel spread his lies [although some sources say it was Morgion]).
#4
zombiegleemax
Oct 24, 2003 16:40:29 Aaannd lastly...

Did the first born five have names? Did the first metallic dragons? If so, what are some that you know?
#5
brimstone
Oct 24, 2003 17:02:55 Yep...they sure did.

Iron/Red - Furyion
Copper/Blue - Arkon
Nickel/Green - Korril
Lead/Black - Corruzus
Tin/White - Akis

Gold - Aurora
Silver - Tianaran
Bronze - Haraineer
Copper - Querrasian
Brass - Sheeranar
#6
zombiegleemax
Oct 24, 2003 17:05:19 Thanks. I was wondering that for a while, but never found the website again and never figured out what book it was in.

Ooh, no wonder why Reds are so cranky... they're only red because of so much rust caked on the iron bodies. :P
#7
zombiegleemax
Oct 26, 2003 17:08:46
Originally posted by Brimstone
Iron, Tin, Lead, Nickel, and Copper...they were fassioned from true elements (unlike the good dragons...some of which were alloys, not pure elements).

Iron became Red, Tin became White, Lead became Black, Nickel became Green, and the Copper dragon became the first Blue.

When Paladine had the monuments made for the good dragons...he used Copper again for one, because of all the First Borns...the Copper was the one who remained trueist (even before Hiddukel spread his lies [although some sources say it was Morgion]).

I remembered this very vaguely, is it in the DoVM index? or the DLCS?
#8
zombiegleemax
Oct 26, 2003 19:58:52
Originally posted by Raven15
I remembered this very vaguely, is it in the DoVM index? or the DLCS?

I remember reading it and I ahve the paperback DoVm, so it might even be in the text... or online. I get my memory muddled easily.
#9
zombiegleemax
Oct 26, 2003 21:10:11 Mathew L. Martin made this proclamation in his Dragons of a Vanished Moon Appendix follow-ups posted on THESE boards.
#10
brimstone
Oct 27, 2003 12:44:57
Originally posted by Raven15
I remembered this very vaguely, is it in the DoVM index? or the DLCS?

Um...part of it might be in the DLCS (it all gets so jumbled sometimes). But I took my information from Wings of Fury by Douglas Niles.

#11
zombiegleemax
Oct 27, 2003 15:39:54 Alright, thanks.

It's interesting about the copper metal being used again because the original remained truest to what he was.
#12
brimstone
Oct 27, 2003 15:55:59
Originally posted by Raven15
It's interesting about the copper metal being used again because the original remained truest to what he was.

Yeah...it's interesting that the authors would choose the Copper dragon. (I think this was set way back in Tales of the Lance if not sooner) The loyalty of the Copper dragons has never really been fully explored, I think.

Or maybe it was just an arbitrary choice. Either way, I think it'd be interesting if they would have expanded on that some.
#13
zombiegleemax
Oct 27, 2003 16:00:14 Maybe it's not so much because of loyalty as because of temperment. Considering that both copper and blue dragons are known for their pride and fierce tempers.
#14
brimstone
Oct 27, 2003 16:06:05
Originally posted by Raven15
Maybe it's not so much because of loyalty as because of temperment. Considering that both copper and blue dragons are known for their pride and fierce tempers.

Very true...that could explain why the authors chose to do that (of course, then you get the problem of Coppers having Acid breath and Blues having Lightning breath).

I guess one can always say the mutation of Morgion/Hiddukel warped even the belly-fire of the beast.

But, I've never seen much loyalty depicted in coppers in the books...nothing like Arkon (before his mutation). Not that their dis-loyal, of course...
#15
zombiegleemax
Oct 27, 2003 19:27:05 Silvers seem more loyal to me than Coppers... or maybe it's just the fact they like People more than Coppers that's distorting it.
#16
zombiegleemax
Nov 01, 2003 21:32:08 Or maybe the copper metal was just re-used randomly and no corralation was intended between the old 'copper' dragon and the new copper dragons.
#17
zombiegleemax
Nov 01, 2003 21:46:35 Why exaclty did the Copper rust blue? Wouldn't Copper make a Green Dragon? Or did they just slip in Blue Paint after they were tempted? Or am I just looking at the Metals part too hard?
#18
brimstone
Nov 03, 2003 9:23:47
Originally posted by Mordenkainen's Rubber Duck of DOOM
Why exaclty did the Copper rust blue? Wouldn't Copper make a Green Dragon? Or did they just slip in Blue Paint after they were tempted? Or am I just looking at the Metals part too hard?

Because they wanted to make the Nickel dragon green...it was the Nickel dragon whose poisonous tongue finally convinced the Copper that they'd been betrayed. So it made more sense that way. Plus...the Copper's loyalty (from this story) fits very will with the Blue's mentailty...they are also very loyal.

Or as Raven said...maybe it was all just chosen arbitrarily.
#19
Vintrastorm
Jan 06, 2004 17:52:55 Maay I ask what all this is about?

Well, it's about the true names and colours of chromatic dragons, or something like that but... What is it all about, I ask again...
Where's this info coming from, is there a novel or something...?
#20
talinthas
Jan 06, 2004 18:09:59 the problem is that coppers are nothing like blues =) Maybe the copper that Paladine made to replace the original had none of the original's easily corruptable tendancies?
#21
zombiegleemax
Jan 10, 2004 20:23:30 Or maybe, like someone said, we're looking into this waaaay to hard.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Oct 24, 2003 14:57:32	I think I remember that before Tahkisis led them away from.. Neutrality? Good?, the First Born Five were colored like metals, right? What were they, again? I think I remember Red being Iron, and there was Tin and possibly Lead involved somewhere or another.
#2 zombiegleemax Oct 24, 2003 15:10:29	tin (red), iron, nickel (green), ummm....I forget the rest.:embarrass
#3 brimstone Oct 24, 2003 15:50:30	Iron, Tin, Lead, Nickel, and Copper...they were fassioned from true elements (unlike the good dragons...some of which were alloys, not pure elements). Iron became Red, Tin became White, Lead became Black, Nickel became Green, and the Copper dragon became the first Blue. When Paladine had the monuments made for the good dragons...he used Copper again for one, because of all the First Borns...the Copper was the one who remained trueist (even before Hiddukel spread his lies [although some sources say it was Morgion]).
#4 zombiegleemax Oct 24, 2003 16:40:29	Aaannd lastly... Did the first born five have names? Did the first metallic dragons? If so, what are some that you know?
#5 brimstone Oct 24, 2003 17:02:55	Yep...they sure did. Iron/Red - Furyion Copper/Blue - Arkon Nickel/Green - Korril Lead/Black - Corruzus Tin/White - Akis Gold - Aurora Silver - Tianaran Bronze - Haraineer Copper - Querrasian Brass - Sheeranar
#6 zombiegleemax Oct 24, 2003 17:05:19	Thanks. I was wondering that for a while, but never found the website again and never figured out what book it was in. Ooh, no wonder why Reds are so cranky... they're only red because of so much rust caked on the iron bodies. :P
#7 zombiegleemax Oct 26, 2003 17:08:46	Originally posted by Brimstone Iron, Tin, Lead, Nickel, and Copper...they were fassioned from true elements (unlike the good dragons...some of which were alloys, not pure elements). Iron became Red, Tin became White, Lead became Black, Nickel became Green, and the Copper dragon became the first Blue. When Paladine had the monuments made for the good dragons...he used Copper again for one, because of all the First Borns...the Copper was the one who remained trueist (even before Hiddukel spread his lies [although some sources say it was Morgion]). I remembered this very vaguely, is it in the DoVM index? or the DLCS?
#8 zombiegleemax Oct 26, 2003 19:58:52	Originally posted by Raven15 I remembered this very vaguely, is it in the DoVM index? or the DLCS? I remember reading it and I ahve the paperback DoVm, so it might even be in the text... or online. I get my memory muddled easily.
#9 zombiegleemax Oct 26, 2003 21:10:11	Mathew L. Martin made this proclamation in his Dragons of a Vanished Moon Appendix follow-ups posted on THESE boards.
#10 brimstone Oct 27, 2003 12:44:57	Originally posted by Raven15 I remembered this very vaguely, is it in the DoVM index? or the DLCS? Um...part of it might be in the DLCS (it all gets so jumbled sometimes). But I took my information from Wings of Fury by Douglas Niles.
#11 zombiegleemax Oct 27, 2003 15:39:54	Alright, thanks. It's interesting about the copper metal being used again because the original remained truest to what he was.
#12 brimstone Oct 27, 2003 15:55:59	Originally posted by Raven15 It's interesting about the copper metal being used again because the original remained truest to what he was. Yeah...it's interesting that the authors would choose the Copper dragon. (I think this was set way back in Tales of the Lance if not sooner) The loyalty of the Copper dragons has never really been fully explored, I think. Or maybe it was just an arbitrary choice. Either way, I think it'd be interesting if they would have expanded on that some.
#13 zombiegleemax Oct 27, 2003 16:00:14	Maybe it's not so much because of loyalty as because of temperment. Considering that both copper and blue dragons are known for their pride and fierce tempers.
#14 brimstone Oct 27, 2003 16:06:05	Originally posted by Raven15 Maybe it's not so much because of loyalty as because of temperment. Considering that both copper and blue dragons are known for their pride and fierce tempers. Very true...that could explain why the authors chose to do that (of course, then you get the problem of Coppers having Acid breath and Blues having Lightning breath). I guess one can always say the mutation of Morgion/Hiddukel warped even the belly-fire of the beast. But, I've never seen much loyalty depicted in coppers in the books...nothing like Arkon (before his mutation). Not that their dis-loyal, of course...
#15 zombiegleemax Oct 27, 2003 19:27:05	Silvers seem more loyal to me than Coppers... or maybe it's just the fact they like People more than Coppers that's distorting it.
#16 zombiegleemax Nov 01, 2003 21:32:08	Or maybe the copper metal was just re-used randomly and no corralation was intended between the old 'copper' dragon and the new copper dragons.
#17 zombiegleemax Nov 01, 2003 21:46:35	Why exaclty did the Copper rust blue? Wouldn't Copper make a Green Dragon? Or did they just slip in Blue Paint after they were tempted? Or am I just looking at the Metals part too hard?
#18 brimstone Nov 03, 2003 9:23:47	Originally posted by Mordenkainen's Rubber Duck of DOOM Why exaclty did the Copper rust blue? Wouldn't Copper make a Green Dragon? Or did they just slip in Blue Paint after they were tempted? Or am I just looking at the Metals part too hard? Because they wanted to make the Nickel dragon green...it was the Nickel dragon whose poisonous tongue finally convinced the Copper that they'd been betrayed. So it made more sense that way. Plus...the Copper's loyalty (from this story) fits very will with the Blue's mentailty...they are also very loyal. Or as Raven said...maybe it was all just chosen arbitrarily.
#19 Vintrastorm Jan 06, 2004 17:52:55	Maay I ask what all this is about? Well, it's about the true names and colours of chromatic dragons, or something like that but... What is it all about, I ask again... Where's this info coming from, is there a novel or something...?
#20 talinthas Jan 06, 2004 18:09:59	the problem is that coppers are nothing like blues =) Maybe the copper that Paladine made to replace the original had none of the original's easily corruptable tendancies?
#21 zombiegleemax Jan 10, 2004 20:23:30	Or maybe, like someone said, we're looking into this waaaay to hard.