For those of you that missed it, I'm talking about the "in world" calendar that we were talking about a couple days ago...complete with moon phases and major holidays. The format is completed...but I do need two initial conditions in order to make it accurate.
1)
I know what two days of the year a Night of the Eye can occur (the 30th of the 10th month and the 30th of the 4th month). And I even have a year that I know one happened recently (347 AC). Now what I don't know is which season it happened in. So the question is this:
When did Brothers Majere take place? In the Autumn or the Spring?
2)
Once the moon phase is locked in...all I need is a starting point. All I need is one point in time where I know the date, the year, and the day of the week. I did some searching last night in the obvious places...but couldn't find the info. Does anyone know a time where all three bits of information were given? For some reason I thought at one point it was stated what day of the week the Cataclysm occurred...but I couldn't find it anywhere.
Well...that's it. With this information I can complete my Calendar (for the year 422 AC [39 SC]...which is the current year in Dragonlance).
I'll be posting this to the DLMB, DL-L, and dl.com MB...I would to the AFDL as well...but for some reason, I can't receive it anymore. Thanks in advance everyone!
If you go to dragonlance.com you can find the calander there and all of the holidays, not sure about the moons though. Thought that this might help!
~Dwin
Maybe it's a dumb idea...but it's been planted there...and it won't go away now. heh heh
The only thing I'm worried about is that it turns out to be the last day of Yule, and not the day after the last. Can anybody confirm this?
Unfortunately, though...that doesn't help me. What I need is the day of the week it happened on (Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, etc.) so that the calendar can be set.
So far...no luck in finding such a reference. Although, if no reference can be found I know what I will choose.
We know Raistlin took his test on the 7th day of the 7th month (thanks to Kipper for reminding me of this fact). So...if I can't find a true reference to a day of the week, I will use this date:
Year 346, 7th day of the 7th month was also the 7th day of the week...which is when Raistlin took his fabled Test.
Now, the next question is...what is considered the 7th day of the week? Saturday or Sunday? Or...I guess, what do you all consider to be the 1st day of the week?
Originally posted by Brimstone
Now, the next question is...what is considered the 7th day of the week? Saturday or Sunday? Or...I guess, what do you all consider to be the 1st day of the week?
Nevermind.
Saturday is most definately the unequivical 7th day of the week.
It seems to me that if you would want to make an accurate callender with moon chart you would need a post WoS starting point.
There are 336 days in a year and 12 months in a year...so there are now only 28 days in a month...so...problem solved!
Of course...alot of the holidays will be different now...
:D
Originally posted by Brimstone
Okay...upon further review...I realize that the calendar for the DLCS was changed more drastically than I thought...and there is no longer a need to discover which day was on which date.
There are 336 days in a year and 12 months in a year...so there are now only 28 days in a month...so...problem solved!
Of course...alot of the holidays will be different now...
:D
It definitely makes it easier for you. You don't even have to worry about the dates switching each year, like we do on earth. So should you create this calendar, it will work for ALL eras of play, every year. Of course, the movement of the planet could have made the year shorter with its new orbit.
Thanks Brim!
Originally posted by Daedavias
Of course, the movement of the planet could have made the year shorter with its new orbit.
I'm not even going to touch that one!
Originally posted by Brimstone
Okay...upon further review...I realize that the calendar for the DLCS was changed more drastically than I thought...and there is no longer a need to discover which day was on which date.
There are 336 days in a year and 12 months in a year...so there are now only 28 days in a month...so...problem solved!
Of course...alot of the holidays will be different now...
:D
So are you saying that January 1st is always on a Sunday? and that each month begins on Sunday?
Originally posted by Lujayne34
So are you saying that January 1st is always on a Sunday? and that each month begins on Sunday?
Indeed it is. It makes the calendar like 10 times easier.
Originally posted by Brimstone
I'm not even going to touch that one!
And you call yourself an engineer
J/K of course...or am I. DUH DUH DUNNN!!!
Originally posted by Lujayne34
So are you saying that January 1st is always on a Sunday? and that each month begins on Sunday?
Yes indeed.
Which of course means there's a Friday the 13th every month...but since that's not a bad luck day in Krynn...it's no big deal.
Example Solinari:
In Dragonlance, Solinari is in High Sanction for 8 days...but it is truly only full for 1 day.
In making this calendar...I know it would be more helpful to put down when the moon goes into High Sanction, Waning, Low Sanction, and Waxing...but, on a calendar, you would really mark when the moon is Full, 3rd Quarter, New, and 1st Quarter.
So, which should I do for this Calendar?
Originally posted by Brimstone
In making this calendar...I know it would be more helpful to put down when the moon goes into High Sanction, Waning, Low Sanction, and Waxing...but, on a calendar, you would really mark when the moon is Full, 3rd Quarter, New, and 1st Quarter.
So, which should I do for this Calendar?
Use the Full, 3rd, etc, but place a key in there somewhere that indicates which each stands for. (i.e. Full = High Sanction) I feel that most would be able to describe the moon best if this were the case, for not all know what the Dragonlance terms mean in appearance.
Originally posted by Halabis
I thought I read somewhere that the night of the eye only happened once every 5 years.
Nope...with Solinari at a 36 day cycle, Nuitari at an 8 day cycle, and Lunitari at a 28 day cycle...you pick the position on the chart where they are at High Sanction and aligned (which is position 20 on the DLCS chart). It takes exactly 504 days for the moons to be back in that position...High Sanction and aligned.
The chart didn't change, it has been the same since it's inception in DLA (except that Nuitari and Lunitari swapped positions). It's just that the authors who wrote that it was a very rare occurance either were mis-informed or just neglected to check it out for themselves.
Of course...the actual alignment happens really quickly (much quicker than a Solar Eclipse) because of the speed of Nuitari. It travels 45 degrees in it's orbit per day! (as opposed to our moon which is roughly 12 degrees per day. So it's possible alot of people miss it...but still it is on a 504 day cycle.
Yours Truly
Moustar-Mithralin
Ps. Thanx for doing this Brimstone...
Year 423 is complete (which is the year I calculated had the Night of the Eye on October 28). It's pretty...all three moons' phases (New, 1st, Full, and 3rd). All three different colors...all three different sizes.
But it still looks bad when I print it...so, I'll have to work on it some more.
Moustar
Originally posted by Brimstone
Don't thank me yet...I'm having some trouble getting it to print right on Adobe.
Year 423 is complete (which is the year I calculated had the Night of the Eye on October 28). It's pretty...all three moons' phases (New, 1st, Full, and 3rd). All three different colors...all three different sizes.
But it still looks bad when I print it...so, I'll have to work on it some more.
You mean you are almost done with it already? Good lord, I wish I had your work ethic!
I add my thanks to Moustar's. The calendar is going to be a big help and a fun thing to have around.
Originally posted by Daedavias
You mean you are almost done with it already? Good lord, I wish I had your work ethic!
Umm...I'm not sure I have such a good work ethic (I mean look how much I'm on here, LOL!)
But...sometimes certain projects really excite me...and it's hard to shut off the forward motion.
Which is what happened in this case. heh hehOriginally posted by Daedavias
I add my thanks to Moustar's. The calendar is going to be a big help and a fun thing to have around.
Well...I don't know how much help it will be, because I didn't mark the start of the phases...I marked the apex of the phase (which is what we do with our calendars).
So actually, New Moon, 1st Quarter, Full Moon, and 3rd Quarter are marked on the calendar, not the start of Waxing, High Sanction, Waning, and Low Sanction.
Originally posted by Brimstone
I don't know how much help it will be, because I didn't mark the start of the phases...I marked the apex of the phase (which is what we do with our calendars).
Well i could be a lot of help... With the calendar you can always look up certain dates and see what day it is... And such things...
Hey if you need help say so... i believe that theres a lot of souls who don´t mind helping you in this darring project...
But before I went much further...I was wanting to get some feed back on what you all thought of the format and any suggestions you might have.
Just let me know. Thanks!
[email]Magnaangemon5007@yahoo.com[/email]
Send one my way at [email]Giorgio@isla.net[/email] if you can.
Thanks.
George
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Please send one to:
[email]branapmacha@aol.com[/email]
When it's finished, though...it will be available on the Nexus. (if they want it)
I´ve looked at your calendar... Its quite cool....! But maybe you should make a list that tells non DL fans what the different names mean... And maybe some more colors?? Hmm it could be me but i would prefer it... Welll everything else is quite perfect after my opinion...!
Yours Truly!
Moustar
Originally posted by Moustar
Heeloo Brimstone, Arek!
I´ve looked at your calendar... Its quite cool....! But maybe you should make a list that tells non DL fans what the different names mean... And maybe some more colors?? Hmm it could be me but i would prefer it... Welll everything else is quite perfect after my opinion...!
Well...I'm getting read to add the Moon Phases to it (not just the moons). So that'll add some color.
Also, I was definately going to put a Legend on the first page that would have an explination for the Moon figures, how to read the moon phase line, and an explination for every holiday. And of course it will explain which calendar is which (there will be an Ergothian, Solamnic, Plainsmen, Goblin, Kender, Elven, Dwarven...and maybe the God ones too (but probably not).
I also thought it'd be neat to use art for the opposing pages (like if it was haning open, ya know?) but there's copyright issues to deal with there. heh heh
Thanks for the feed back!
Well thank you for letting me have a peek at this calendar... And it would be great with the legend... Hmm you could probertly send an e-mail to Larry Elmoore and ask for permission to use some of his DL art... It wouldn´t surprize me if you did get the permission... Could you please send me a new copy when you´ve done some of the Upgrades your talking about??....That would be Neat!
Well if you ever need a third persons agreement then contact me...
Yours Truly
Moustar
However.
It would mean that the Cataclysm happened on a Tuesday...
[email]pddisc@yahoo.com[/email]
Originally posted by pddisc
It would mean that the Cataclysm happened on a Tuesday...
I'm suddenly reminded of Buffy the Vampire Slayer...
I'd also like a gander if I could, Brim. E-mail is in the WotC link.
Originally posted by Jacen Solo 5007
What kind of file is the calandar, might I ask? I haven't had the chance to look at it yet, my computer's been stupid and been downloading it badly. I'll try to look at it, but I want to make sure that I can actually look at it when I am able to DL it.
To all who have asked...I've completely re-worked the calendar...I'll send out a small little 3 month version of it for you all to see when I get it done...I found out there's some more re-working that needs to be done.
Jacen, it is an Adobe Acrobat PDF file (I figured all computers had a PDF reader at least).
Moustar...I've added a lot more color...because I've added a phase chart to it...to be useful to players as more than just asthetics. I think it's better.
Oh...and Pddisc, since Yule is on...well, I haven't decided...22nd or 21st (I found references for both). Either way...the Cataclysm happened on the 13th day of Yule...so that means Dark Day has to be either Firstmonth the 5th or Firstmonth the 6th.
I did some research and found a ton of holidays. There's a huge section in Bertrem's Guide to Everyday Life in the Age of Mortals, also the History of the Dragonlance Saga had some as well. And last night I remembered that most (if not all) the god write ups in the DLCS mentions that god's Holy Day (or days). So this will be chalk full of holidays.
Anyway...I noticed I had the Festival of the Eye on the wrong day...it is Tenthmonth the 15th...I had it on the 28th (like Halloween). Not sure where that screw up came from. Anyway...so all my moon phases and apexi are about 2 weeks off...I don't want to do that again. Oh god...I just realize I have to redo the phase chart, too....
I'm going to go crawl in a corner and cry.
email= [email]ranmaouttacontrol@hotmail.com[/email]
BTW, so you hit a few stopsigns along the way, the end product will be something we will all enjoy.
1- Why is this set in the year 424 AC?
2- Is this calander usable for different time periods? Specificaly, I would like to know what changes (if any) would be needed so I can use it in my own campaign set in the year 346 AC.
3- The orange color for the dates will be a killer on my printer, can you make it white so I dont have to pay $40 for a new color ink cartrage? (Grin)
4- Will you be adding holidays and special events days to the calander?
5- The colors of the moon phase is too limited a pallete I think. The black color for Sol LS and Nut HS is the same and a bit confusing for me. How about asigning different colors to each of the three moons phases?
6- Are the colors correct in the calander and the moon phase chart? For example the 15th of Alemont has the three moons in high sanction with : White + Red + Light Grey, but according the the moon phase chart is should be : White + Red + Black? Am I color blind or is something amiss?
HTH,
George
Originally posted by Giorgio
1- Why is this set in the year 424 AC?
Because it's the first full year with the Night of the Eye the same night as the Festival of the Eye. (421 is the first year...but the moons don't show up until the 15th of Hiddumont...so that calendar would be useless).
Originally posted by Giorgio
2- Is this calander usable for different time periods? Specificaly, I would like to know what changes (if any) would be needed so I can use it in my own campaign set in the year 346 AC.
Well...when it's all done, there will be three calendars (because there are only three possible scenarios, before it resets. So all you have to know is which of the three to use for which year. I'll have an equation when it's all done that can be used to determine which one to use).
Originally posted by Giorgio
3- The orange color for the dates will be a killer on my printer, can you make it white so I dont have to pay $40 for a new color ink cartrage? (Grin)
Hmm...well...there's a bit of a problem with that. Because of the colors of the moons...I couldn't get it to work right with white. I thought about the printing problem...I guess I haven't solved it yet. Excel has a VERY limited color palette...it was extremely frustrating just to get the colors I did to where it wasn't confusing anymore on which line/moon/phase was which.
Originally posted by Giorgio
4- Will you be adding holidays and special events days to the calander?
Of course. This is just a prototype.
Originally posted by Giorgio
5- The colors of the moon phase is too limited a pallete I think.
Yep. Unfortunately that can't be helped. I kept the Waxing and Waning colors the same...because as far as the wizards are concerned...those phases are the same.
Originally posted by Giorgio
6- Are the colors correct in the calander and the moon phase chart? For example the 15th of Alemont has the three moons in high sanction with : White + Red + Light Grey, but according the the moon phase chart is should be : White + Red + Black? Am I color blind or is something amiss?
Actaully, only Solinari and Lunitari are Full. Nuitari is New. That's why the phase colors are White + Red + Light Grey. The filled in black circle is a Full Nuitari...the outlined one is a New moon.
Thanks for the input!
Originally posted by Kalanth
I live in the stone ages, and do not have, nor have access to a color printer. Will the calander by friendly to people like me?
I think so. I haven't looked at it in black and white...but I think I made the colors different enough to tell the difference between them...I think.
.......
Okay...I just looked at it. And the answer is no. The phase colors for Lunitari while quite different in color are too close in black and white. That'll have to change. I'll make sure it is.
I´ve been looking at the calendar again and i think it is quite wonderfull... i really like it.... you´ve done a great job so far and i hope you´ll continue doing it that good!
Yours Truly Moustar!