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#1
Dragonhelm
Oct 29, 2003 16:59:13 For any of you who were wondering about the contents of the Draconomicon or, more specifically, how it can fit into DL, the contents have been posted on this thread:

Draconomicon Contents

I noticed some prestige classes for Bahamut and Tiamat. I wonder if they will work for Paladine and Takhisis.

Also noticed that they have a Dragon Rider PrC.

Not much on gem dragons, though... :sad:

Anyhoo, it looks fantastic. I can't wait to get my hands on this one! :D
#2
daedavias_dup
Oct 29, 2003 18:02:41 I want it, but I don't need it. I like the idea of a book dedicated to dragons and their kin, but the book doesn't come across as a needed source of info. Oh well, maybe after I get the DL DM Screen, the Key of Destiny, and the Towers of High Sorcery I will get this book. Time will tell.

I'd be interested to see what the dragonrider PrC is like in this book.
#3
kalanth
Oct 31, 2003 15:23:44 I just purchased this book, and wow! I was amazed at the info that was held within the pages. Human and Dragon feets and PrC's, more in depth info on manuerisms and appearence, etc. I really was speechless, and the visual design was above and beyond any other WoTC book I have ever purchased. I am signing praises about this book (and the last three released by them )
#4
zombiegleemax
Oct 31, 2003 15:33:34 hey kalanth, maybe you can answer some questions then. Are things from Dragonlance (like the various dragon feats such as Strafing) in it, as well as the same Dragon Rider PrC?
#5
cam_banks
Oct 31, 2003 15:40:46
Originally posted by Magus_Extreme
as well as the same Dragon Rider PrC?

It's a different dragon rider, but in my opinion it could serve as a great pre-requisite for the DLCS dragon rider. In many ways, the DLCS class (which includes a dragon cohort and some high-level requirements) could be read as a "master dragonrider" with the Draconomicon class as the dragon rider most of the mid-level characters pick up.

Cheers,
Cam
#6
kalanth
Nov 03, 2003 10:08:36
Originally posted by Magus_Extreme
hey kalanth, maybe you can answer some questions then. Are things from Dragonlance (like the various dragon feats such as Strafing) in it, as well as the same Dragon Rider PrC?

The Dragon Rider in the Draconomicon is a 5 level PrC. The flight rules are much more indepth, and there are a bundle of feets and PrC's just for dragons, much less PC's. Not much directly from Dragonlance is in there, though.
#7
The_White_Sorcerer
Nov 03, 2003 10:23:59
Originally posted by Kalanth
The Dragon Rider in the Draconomicon is a 5 level PrC.

Actually, the Draconomicon version is called Dragonrider, the DLCS one is called Dragon Rider. There's a difference.
#8
kalanth
Nov 03, 2003 10:46:18
Originally posted by The White Sorcerer
Actually, the Draconomicon version is called Dragonrider, the DLCS one is called Dragon Rider. There's a difference.

My lord, now that is real nit picking. There is a difference in spelling, and class, and so on, but the fact that the name is not spaced in the DLCS is not that big a deal.
#9
daedavias_dup
Nov 03, 2003 11:01:09
Originally posted by The White Sorcerer
Actually, the Draconomicon version is called Dragonrider, the DLCS one is called Dragon Rider. There's a difference.

And I thought I was **** retentive. Dang, I can't correct your spelling or grammar since it is all correct.

When does this friggin book come out anyway?

[edit] I was not trying to insult you TWS, this is just lay-over from the other DL board in which I ragged on a guy for spelling constellations "comstallions." If I ever appear to be insulting anyone on these boards just remember that I have trouble using my weird sense of humor on message boards.
#10
kalanth
Nov 03, 2003 11:08:51
Originally posted by Daedavias
When does this friggin book come out anyway?

Draconomicon was released on the 1st of the month (in some cases earlier. I got mine on the 30th). Most of the stores I have been to since are sold out already, took them one day to sell out.
#11
The_White_Sorcerer
Nov 03, 2003 12:00:33
Originally posted by Daedavias
And I thought I was **** retentive. Dang, I can't correct your spelling or grammar since it is all correct.

Umm... I'm not sure how to take this...
#12
Dragonhelm
Nov 03, 2003 12:30:57 Okay, guys, no need to get in a tussle over semantics.

I picked up the Draconomicon over the weekend, and I've got to say - yowza! It would make for a great DL resource.
#13
daedavias_dup
Nov 03, 2003 12:33:51
Originally posted by The White Sorcerer
Umm... I'm not sure how to take this...

All fun and games, no insult intended. I suppose a few emoticons would have done some good there, but I avoid their usage now since people interpret them weirdly.

I need to check my local Waldenbooks to see if they have the Draconomicon now.
#14
The_White_Sorcerer
Nov 03, 2003 12:58:37 My FLGS will most likely have it some time this month, but I won't be able to afford it. Propably asking it for christmas.
#15
zombiegleemax
Nov 03, 2003 21:41:02 One of the nice things about the draconomicon is the Breath weapon metafeats, as well as breath weapon effect spells all of which can be used by a dragonspawn or draconian who has gained the breath weapon feat (one i really liked was the rebuke breath spell- the picture that was with it was very good also.)

Since draconians count as Dragon type, most of the dragon PrCs are available to them, except Dragon ascendant, which has true dragon as a requirement (so no becoming a dragon disciple, getting the half dragon template, then becoming a Dragon Ascendant to gain immortality and near diety like power), though meeting the other requirements might be a little difficult (bloodscaled fury bab of +22, or the Hide carved natural armor of +20 as examples), but they are available, and provide interesting path choices if the character gets into the epic levels.

some of the non dragon PrCs might be a hard sell to fit into a DL campaign, depending upon how you run the setting: the Dracolyte, which is a non-dragon worshipping a draconic god, is difficult as the dragons and non-dragons follow the same gods. You could have them as part of a special order of divine spellcasters who work closely by the side of dragons, and thus through that association, gain access to the class because of their allies/partners.
The Dragonkith, on the other hand, would make a good agent for any of the Dragon Lords/Overlords, such as Frost, or Splendor, who did work fairly closely with her mortal allies.
The Dragonrider is an excellent 5 level PrC stepping stone to the Dragon Rider PrC from Dragonlance.
The Dragonslayer and Dragonstalker, though, haven't shown much prescence on krynn, unless they've been solely picking off the draco servants of the Dragon Lords/Overlords, or focusing on Spawn, Draconians, and Wyverns.
The Initiates of Draconic Mysteries might be monks who have chosen the path of emmulating Dragons, because of the Dragons' "perfection in the eyes of the cosmos" or something like that. (this is one, IMO, which is a hard sell.)
The Talon of Tiamat and the Platinum Knights would both work very well in a Fifth age setting- one being agents of either Takhisis or the Dragon Overlords, the other defending the remaining good dragons against the predations of the agents of the Overlords. A character might become a platinum knight to protect the wyrmlings of a dragon who has fallen in battle. Someone has to rear the draconic young, so these knights might take it upon themselves to do so, defending them so that they may grow up and defend the rest of the world. The Talons, on the other hand, might be doing the complete opposite, hunting down the lairs of the good dragons and capturing or killing the baby dragons for their masters, be they the Queen of darkness or the Overlords/Lords.

With new spells, Feats, PrC, and magic items, as well as Dragoncrafted Items, and information on dragonhunting, dragon graveyards, and dragons as PCs, the Draconomicon looks like it might be a highly usable resource for a Dragonlance Campaign. Actually, I think the only other setting it is more suitable for is the old Council of the Wyrm setting, in which everything will probably fit perfectly, though nearly every setting will find something which will work well with what already exists.

For those people who don't want Paladine to truelly leave Krynn, His mortal form could actually be that of a Dragon (probably his Platinum form) and he spends all of his time shapechanged into an elf (an idea from someone else on the board), and he may choose to go for the Dragon Acsendant PrC, thus regaining some of his divinity (though for balance, a chromatic dragon is going to have to attempt the same. Oh, for the loss of Skie )

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 Dragonhelm Oct 29, 2003 16:59:13	For any of you who were wondering about the contents of the Draconomicon or, more specifically, how it can fit into DL, the contents have been posted on this thread: Draconomicon Contents I noticed some prestige classes for Bahamut and Tiamat. I wonder if they will work for Paladine and Takhisis. Also noticed that they have a Dragon Rider PrC. Not much on gem dragons, though... :sad: Anyhoo, it looks fantastic. I can't wait to get my hands on this one! :D
#2 daedavias_dup Oct 29, 2003 18:02:41	I want it, but I don't need it. I like the idea of a book dedicated to dragons and their kin, but the book doesn't come across as a needed source of info. Oh well, maybe after I get the DL DM Screen, the Key of Destiny, and the Towers of High Sorcery I will get this book. Time will tell. I'd be interested to see what the dragonrider PrC is like in this book.
#3 kalanth Oct 31, 2003 15:23:44	I just purchased this book, and wow! I was amazed at the info that was held within the pages. Human and Dragon feets and PrC's, more in depth info on manuerisms and appearence, etc. I really was speechless, and the visual design was above and beyond any other WoTC book I have ever purchased. I am signing praises about this book (and the last three released by them )
#4 zombiegleemax Oct 31, 2003 15:33:34	hey kalanth, maybe you can answer some questions then. Are things from Dragonlance (like the various dragon feats such as Strafing) in it, as well as the same Dragon Rider PrC?
#5 cam_banks Oct 31, 2003 15:40:46	Originally posted by Magus_Extreme as well as the same Dragon Rider PrC? It's a different dragon rider, but in my opinion it could serve as a great pre-requisite for the DLCS dragon rider. In many ways, the DLCS class (which includes a dragon cohort and some high-level requirements) could be read as a "master dragonrider" with the Draconomicon class as the dragon rider most of the mid-level characters pick up. Cheers, Cam
#6 kalanth Nov 03, 2003 10:08:36	Originally posted by Magus_Extreme hey kalanth, maybe you can answer some questions then. Are things from Dragonlance (like the various dragon feats such as Strafing) in it, as well as the same Dragon Rider PrC? The Dragon Rider in the Draconomicon is a 5 level PrC. The flight rules are much more indepth, and there are a bundle of feets and PrC's just for dragons, much less PC's. Not much directly from Dragonlance is in there, though.
#7 The_White_Sorcerer Nov 03, 2003 10:23:59	Originally posted by Kalanth The Dragon Rider in the Draconomicon is a 5 level PrC. Actually, the Draconomicon version is called Dragonrider, the DLCS one is called Dragon Rider. There's a difference.
#8 kalanth Nov 03, 2003 10:46:18	Originally posted by The White Sorcerer Actually, the Draconomicon version is called Dragonrider, the DLCS one is called Dragon Rider. There's a difference. My lord, now that is real nit picking. There is a difference in spelling, and class, and so on, but the fact that the name is not spaced in the DLCS is not that big a deal.
#9 daedavias_dup Nov 03, 2003 11:01:09	Originally posted by The White Sorcerer Actually, the Draconomicon version is called Dragonrider, the DLCS one is called Dragon Rider. There's a difference. And I thought I was **** retentive. Dang, I can't correct your spelling or grammar since it is all correct. When does this friggin book come out anyway? [edit] I was not trying to insult you TWS, this is just lay-over from the other DL board in which I ragged on a guy for spelling constellations "comstallions." If I ever appear to be insulting anyone on these boards just remember that I have trouble using my weird sense of humor on message boards.
#10 kalanth Nov 03, 2003 11:08:51	Originally posted by Daedavias When does this friggin book come out anyway? Draconomicon was released on the 1st of the month (in some cases earlier. I got mine on the 30th). Most of the stores I have been to since are sold out already, took them one day to sell out.
#11 The_White_Sorcerer Nov 03, 2003 12:00:33	Originally posted by Daedavias And I thought I was retentive. Dang, I can't correct your spelling or grammar since it is all correct. Umm... I'm not sure how to take this...
#12 Dragonhelm Nov 03, 2003 12:30:57	Okay, guys, no need to get in a tussle over semantics. I picked up the Draconomicon over the weekend, and I've got to say - yowza! It would make for a great DL resource.
#13 daedavias_dup Nov 03, 2003 12:33:51	Originally posted by The White Sorcerer Umm... I'm not sure how to take this... All fun and games, no insult intended. I suppose a few emoticons would have done some good there, but I avoid their usage now since people interpret them weirdly. I need to check my local Waldenbooks to see if they have the Draconomicon now.
#14 The_White_Sorcerer Nov 03, 2003 12:58:37	My FLGS will most likely have it some time this month, but I won't be able to afford it. Propably asking it for christmas.
#15 zombiegleemax Nov 03, 2003 21:41:02	One of the nice things about the draconomicon is the Breath weapon metafeats, as well as breath weapon effect spells all of which can be used by a dragonspawn or draconian who has gained the breath weapon feat (one i really liked was the rebuke breath spell- the picture that was with it was very good also.) Since draconians count as Dragon type, most of the dragon PrCs are available to them, except Dragon ascendant, which has true dragon as a requirement (so no becoming a dragon disciple, getting the half dragon template, then becoming a Dragon Ascendant to gain immortality and near diety like power), though meeting the other requirements might be a little difficult (bloodscaled fury bab of +22, or the Hide carved natural armor of +20 as examples), but they are available, and provide interesting path choices if the character gets into the epic levels. some of the non dragon PrCs might be a hard sell to fit into a DL campaign, depending upon how you run the setting: the Dracolyte, which is a non-dragon worshipping a draconic god, is difficult as the dragons and non-dragons follow the same gods. You could have them as part of a special order of divine spellcasters who work closely by the side of dragons, and thus through that association, gain access to the class because of their allies/partners. The Dragonkith, on the other hand, would make a good agent for any of the Dragon Lords/Overlords, such as Frost, or Splendor, who did work fairly closely with her mortal allies. The Dragonrider is an excellent 5 level PrC stepping stone to the Dragon Rider PrC from Dragonlance. The Dragonslayer and Dragonstalker, though, haven't shown much prescence on krynn, unless they've been solely picking off the draco servants of the Dragon Lords/Overlords, or focusing on Spawn, Draconians, and Wyverns. The Initiates of Draconic Mysteries might be monks who have chosen the path of emmulating Dragons, because of the Dragons' "perfection in the eyes of the cosmos" or something like that. (this is one, IMO, which is a hard sell.) The Talon of Tiamat and the Platinum Knights would both work very well in a Fifth age setting- one being agents of either Takhisis or the Dragon Overlords, the other defending the remaining good dragons against the predations of the agents of the Overlords. A character might become a platinum knight to protect the wyrmlings of a dragon who has fallen in battle. Someone has to rear the draconic young, so these knights might take it upon themselves to do so, defending them so that they may grow up and defend the rest of the world. The Talons, on the other hand, might be doing the complete opposite, hunting down the lairs of the good dragons and capturing or killing the baby dragons for their masters, be they the Queen of darkness or the Overlords/Lords. With new spells, Feats, PrC, and magic items, as well as Dragoncrafted Items, and information on dragonhunting, dragon graveyards, and dragons as PCs, the Draconomicon looks like it might be a highly usable resource for a Dragonlance Campaign. Actually, I think the only other setting it is more suitable for is the old Council of the Wyrm setting, in which everything will probably fit perfectly, though nearly every setting will find something which will work well with what already exists. For those people who don't want Paladine to truelly leave Krynn, His mortal form could actually be that of a Dragon (probably his Platinum form) and he spends all of his time shapechanged into an elf (an idea from someone else on the board), and he may choose to go for the Dragon Acsendant PrC, thus regaining some of his divinity (though for balance, a chromatic dragon is going to have to attempt the same. Oh, for the loss of Skie )